StrawberryAlex getting salty and Toxxitone getting upset with OP, and casually saying they’re gonna drop 5000 irl dollars on a dragon is wild. Great read though
When one party in an out of control bidding war has "PleASE stop buying dragons please please please please please our wallet cant handle it PLEASE" front and center on their profile page, the other party was bound to say something.
I'm not thrilled with how Toxxitone handled the situation. "People lesser than me have spent more on these things"?! Get real. StrawberryAlex reacted sensibly and frankly, more respectfully than I could have in their position.
do you think that could fall under harassment if toxxitone just keeps doing that? if there's a third time i think it would be likely they could be looking out for strawberry's bids on purpose
I don't fully understand this reaction. Don't get me wrong, I'd feel bad to keep pushing the price up if someone was spending real money, and would immediately back out if their quote was outside my price range, but Tox didn't really confirm whether their gems would be 100% purchased. People have bought imp scrolls on FR, and spent thousands on EVE online / FIFA / other games with sometimes predatory monetization. Another whale admitting to spending money on useless pixels doesn't seem that crazy to me.
Idk, I kinda get it? Their response felt very flex-y, like "I'll just keep throwing RLC at the game until I get this dragon". Usually nobody really has an issue with whales because it's either a non-competitive environment or not as directly in your face, usually you don't really see whales say that they will keep throwing money at the game until they get a thing another player is actively trying to get at the same time. Flexing how much pocket money you have, especially in those nebulous amounts has never been ok, you know?
Hot take but I’m with Toxxitone here. I don’t appreciate the “those lesser than me” sentence, but other than that I honestly don’t think they did anything wrong. With huge numbers like that, I would have personally expected both of them to have some sort of IRL money component involved. There’s nothing wrong with buying gems for IRL money… or else it wouldn’t be an option.
For the record, I’m poor. Like, I’ve run out of food a couple times this year. But I’m an adult, and if I choose to buy something with my own money, I am allowed to make that choice. I know what I’m doing and I’ll back out if it becomes too much for me. Idk, it just seems super weird and disrespectful to suddenly accuse someone you don’t even know of being irresponsible with their own money just because you personally wouldn’t do it. Total overreaction imho.
Same. Like, if they can afford it, what's the problem? I don't see the problem. FR gets good money to aid with server costs and whatnot. Mentioning it was a bit weird but, I'm not gonna hold that against them. There are worse things to spend that kind of money on, and I really don't see the issue if it's disposable income and not needed for anything important.
Idk. I had some whiplash there seeing people actually supporting Strawberry. Like, I don't think the "ew gross why are you spending that money on a PNG" attitude was okay at all. It was poorly handled and they should have just kept that to themself. I get being unhappy that you won't get the dragon, but sheesh.
And honestly the auctioneer should have set some sort of AB if they really didn't want it to go over a certain amount. Sounds like there wasn't one.
Yep, Toxx's statement could have been better (but honestly, do we even know if English is Toxx's first language, it could simply be a language issue), but, how other people spend their money isn't my concern. I have too much on my own plate to be concerned about that I don't have anything left over to worry about other people.
Especially when nothing I do *will* affect the other person. I tell them 'you shouldn't spend more than you can afford!' and either they will ignore me and spend more than they can afford, or they already can afford it and will just ignore me. So, what exactly has come of it, other than it looking like I am jealous that they can spend that amount of money on something I want but can't afford? (which is honestly how it comes across to me here)
Hey, StrawberryAlex here. Text walls are kinda how I am unfortunately so there's going to be one (it's why I lurk so hard everywhere), but I'm going to do my best to address everything I can. It's going to be very, VERY long regardless, but I've been writing this on and off the past couple days to make sure I didn't get too riled up again to be sure. I need to get some of this off my chest, and want to be able to move on from what was honestly more than a little bit of an overreaction that I immediately regretted.
Firstly, want to clear up that a lot of my reactions were due to a mix of lack of sleep, stress from the auction, and honestly Toxxitone pissing me off with their behavior and making my blood boil the instant they called poorer people "lesser". I've taken a step back, calmed down, and wanted to take time to address this without someone getting under my skin in a way I didn't think possible.
Secondly, I want to address the other elephant in the room. Personally I don't actually mind how others spend money on this game. I know it seemed like that's what I was hung up on and that it appeared that was the reason I was "throwing a fit" over not getting a dragon I wanted with my finite resources and whatnot. I'll also admit that a lot of what I said was very much being angry in the moment, and is not a reflection of how I generally view users who spend irl money, even large amounts, on FR. If someone wants to drop $10k on something cause they can so be it. It wound up being a focus because again, I can not understate just how much being called "lesser" in the thread infuriated me.
What made me back out, is the behavior I saw on their profile, as well as DMs I was receiving from the auction runner at the time. While yes, Toxxitone COULD pay that amount in cash, a) it sounded like they needed the months-long hold in order to buy all the gems needed, and b) they were acting that the dragon had to be theirs no matter the cost. So while they said they COULD afford to spend the money, I still feel as though they didn't actually have as much as they were willing to throw at 100x777 as well as 100x666, and merely wanted the dragon because no one other than them deserved it.
To quote the auction runner from a DM: "It seemed like they were offering with good intent from the beginning, and did have specific plans with other dragons in mind, one of which they already owned, and the other planned to buy as well. When that changed and it seemed like they were continuing bidding because they didn't want to lose, and it was affecting both of us, is when I asked them to go public."
I can provide screenshots to a mod (if I can figure out how to privately do so) but I don't want to share publicly here as they are still DMs. There were a lot of DMs behind the scenes, and a majority of Toxxitone's behavior and comments are in those and unknown to me, whereas most of my own happens to be in that thread. I'd also like to not drag the auction runner into this as much as possible. I am also not going to contact the auction runner to get details about Toxxitone from their back and forth DMs.
All of this is to say that I guess the "real" reason I backed out is that I don't want to be the one enabling this person to make these financial decisions. They can spend that $5k on their own time on different "fun bad ideas", but I don't want to be the one validating that it's what they need to do to get anything they desire. The auction format of 100x777 very much did that in my eyes after I found out, and I didn't want any further part in such a thing.
For a bit of a reason and context of why I'm like this, I watched something similar happen to a former friend of mine that literally almost tore our entire friend group apart over a gacha game. We were here to have fun and poke at who had what and who was unlucky not to get something they had "whaled" over, despite us all (at the time) being F2P. This friend was decently well off, and decided to start spending a little for the stuff they wanted most after we encouraged them that it was okay to do so. To make a long story short, it ballooned out of control, they nearly went broke despite having "disposable income" to spend in such large amounts, and they neglected necessary charges such as student loans and rent for their addiction. All so they could have something we didn't and hold it over us, even as we told them we were far more focused on their bad spending habits than them getting another "rare" png. And all of us felt terrible after the blowup and that we were all partially the reason this happened to begin with. So I no longer play such games, and I no longer try to encourage anyone to spend large amounts of money on any game.
So yeah, reading their clan profile message, seeing their behavior, and seeing how much irl cash they were willing to throw not only at this but later at 100x666, I backed out. I don't want to hold any sort of responsibility in enabling what could very well be bad financial decisions because they didn't want anyone other than themselves getting the dragon(s) they wanted. Regardless of if they could've easily afforded it or not, I've seen the slippery slope of this happen to another that was "well off" like they were, and wanted none of it. Again, I overreacted and worded things very badly when I probably should've done a "Fuck you you're being an asshole about this" and left it at that.
This is already long enough, but to cover a couple other small things:
Cornix has the same amount of lair significance as a lamp in terms of lore in my lair. He's cool and sentimental, having hatched him myself and all, but my initial comments about him were made around 3am. Selling him wouldn't effect me all that heavily. He is quite literally a living plot device as he exists currently.
I contacted the owner of 100x666 to ensure Toxxitone wasn't spite bidding. The owner confirmed they were not, and the auction runner for 100x777 corroborated this after the auction was canceled. While there was no ill intent because they wanted that dragon anyways, I'm fairly certain they were attempting to rile me up again to make the whole situation even worse.
My plans for 100x777 was to acquire them and 100x666 and make them into a fun lineage pair to breed in celebration of FR's history. I didn't care about sunk cost, or making money back, only that I gave back to the community in allowing others who weren't around for 100mil or couldn't afford dragons from everyone hatching eggs. I didn't intend on selling them for massive amounts of gems, only 100kt/g tops save for maybe specific egg numbers (1st, 7th, and 13th respectively, but I probably would keep one and gift and/or raffle the others). To me that was worth the amount I was offering in the thread, and I was making sure I didn't sell anything I had genuine deep attachments to. What I expected in terms of a person to bid against into absurd amounts was someone like the owner of 777, not Toxxitone.
Anyways, as I said before, this is to get these thoughts out of my head and stop me from getting hung up on what happened. Regardless of what others think of me after this, having all of this off of my chest is all I really want. If I don't these things tend to eat at me and detract from the things I do that actually make me happy. I'll be lurking and might answer questions/respond to comments or remarks, but gauging the length of this post's preview (good god I'm sorry to everyone), I don't want to create the second longest text wall known to man on accident.
I know seeing the length of this alone will probably prevent most from reading more than a paragraph or two, but I'm sorry to those that hate me or blocked me over this. I know with how I responded that it was absolutely deserved with how unchecked and impulsive such a response was. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that.
I don't mean to sound callous but you're coming in here to somehow clear the air and your response is to double down on the very thing people are saying you're being ridiculous for?
You can say "I overreacted" until you're blue in the face, but "I don't want to hold any sort of responsibility in enabling what could very well be bad financial decisions because they didn't want anyone other than themselves getting the dragon(s) they wanted" is still you making assumptions about an internet stranger's financial situation based on minimal evidence and being moralist about it like you're somehow protecting them from themself due to unrelated experiences with a completely different person.
"While yes, Toxxitone COULD pay that amount in cash, a) it sounded like they needed the months-long hold in order to buy all the gems needed, and b) they were acting that the dragon had to be theirs no matter the cost."
Flight Rising caps gem expenditure at $3k USD/month. If someone is buying enough pure they have no choice but to wait several months unless they have treasure hoarded. Gem whales in this game often don't keep a lot of liquid treasure because it takes more effort to play G&G every day than to hit the Paypal button repeatedly.
"All of this is to say that I guess the "real" reason I backed out is that I don't want to be the one enabling this person to make these financial decisions. They can spend that $5k on their own time on different "fun bad ideas", but I don't want to be the one validating that it's what they need to do to get anything they desire."
Again, there you are trying to act like the sensible, responsible one despite not actually knowing this person beyond the single thread exchange.
"So I no longer play such games, and I no longer try to encourage anyone to spend large amounts of money on any game."
Then you shouldn't be participating in high-value auctions at all, if it brings you back to such terrible memories. You could have stopped bidding at any point if you were getting uncomfortable.
I really hate that I am defending someone who used the word "lesser" like that because I'm not trying to argue that Toxx isn't a prick. They are. You're just also being condescending, just in a more socially palatable way.
"this person got in the way of me 'giving back to the community' (read: making a random breeding pair nobody would care about) and got me mad as hell. but it's okay since I actually only acted condescending because my friend got addicted to Love Live or some shit. now I am intimately familiar with gambling addiction which has nothing to do with auctions on any website and don't want anyone else who wants the PNG I want going down the same path 😔"
Tomatoes aren't hard enough BOOOOOOO 🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥
it's reasonable to be uncomfortable when people start bringing in huge sums of IRL money to a video game to do battle against your dragon monopoly dollars. it's not reasonable to start lecturing these otherwise perfect strangers like you're their parent because of interpersonal relationships those people have nothing to do with turned into traumas that they don't need to be on the receiving end of.
gambling has its god awful thorns in everything and it's gone and ruined a lot of people's lives, but you said a lot of words that never needed to be said on the forums, and i'm gonna be real: you never should have posted them here, either. toxx said some things in the worst way possible (likely also due to whatever stress you were bringing into that auction unwarranted) and they are responsible for their own actions and words, but you could have prevented it by just saying so much less.
next time you write a confessional like this, consider deleting it before you send it. let it go. faceless internet people don't need to hear it.
To preface, I hope you're aware nothing good ever comes of wankers de-anoning themselves on here and this isn't going to be any different. Yeah we're all in agreement on that particular comment of Toxx's, but it was made AFTER you already dedicated TWO long ass posts to self-righteous indignation at their spending habits and oversharing yours, so that's already the wrong foot to start explaining yourself on.
If you're willing to take some well-meaning advice: All your posts, both this one and those in the auction thread, would be massively better off cut down to the bare minimum needed for effective and semi-respectful communication. Do not compulsively expose every detail of your thought process and life story to strangers, especially if or when you cannot help yourself from emotionally charging it, coming off the way you just did, and doing more harm than good. As you yourself acknowledged but didn't really adapt the mindset behind in the same post, "you're kind of a dick, bye" and "this gives me pause for personal reasons so I'm withdrawing" are infinitely more valid and sympathetic than "wow, money for a dragon png, have you no shame, I, the sensible, frugal and benevolent party, am declaring you a pitiable fool and a danger to yourself and myself better than supporting these self-destructive impulses because here's how much me and my husband bought a house for and also most of my friends except two or three are also poor, something something my hopes and dreams, I don't know if you own a car or not but do you realize this money would be better off buying a car, I sure would love one, dear Lord the children in Africa are starving, mr Auctioneer close the establishment we are done here". That's how you sounded, in the thread alone, without even getting into the rest of it. As much as you might want to get these thoughts out of your head, the reality is most of us don't need to hear them. If it's peace of mind you are after, refer back to the 1st sentence of the 1st paragraph of my post.
Also wat @ the 666 auction part. "There is no malicious intent, but I am fairly certain there is malicious intent"?? I'd understand the concern if the auction were for some completely unrelated dragon they just so mysteriously happened to follow you into, but there's nothing unusual about two people who were gunning hardcore for a specific ID both moving on to the next best thing after the first seller dropped out. Didn't you just quote 777's owner telling you outright Toxx was planning to buy other dragons like this before you even learned who you were bidding against? And contacting 666's owner, really? How would they know about the "spite bidding"?? Were you expecting Toxx to slide into their DMs to expose all the devilish plans they had of ruining your day like a Team Rocket grunt? That's all your own baseless assumptions getting away from you again. Considering you were the first to call out Toxx in that thread, and apparently already in the mindset they're out to get you, I can't think of a response they could give that WOULDN'T rile you up.
good lord. this is just excuses (i was tired! stressed! them being well-off made me feel bad!) for shitty behavior and doubling down on that behavior as well
you are not justified in making the judgements that you did. period! you AND the auction runner
This is very much a ESH situation, and your essay isn’t actually helping your cause. Toxx is an asshole for basically flaunting their wealth and making questionable comments, but so are you for being judgmental as hell about a complete strangers spending habits. When you knew you were no longer comfortable participating in the auction, you should have just ended your bids and backed out. You didn’t need to add a parting lecture to Toxx about how you have to save their poor soul from their bad decisions or whatever.
I know this sucks to hear, but some people legitimately just have a ton of disposable income. You don’t know Todd’s situation. They very well could just have a really good job or family money or something, and no debts/other necessities that take all their spare money. For all you know they could have won the lottery or something and are just sitting on a massive pile of cash they don’t have need for. You literally have no access to their bank account or anything to make judgement calls about how much they’re able to spend. The money isn’t just going to be set aflame - they’re helping to fund a small game site by spending it on there. It’s hardly the worst thing someone can do with their money (despite what that one goofy anon earlier thinks).
I also think it’s really shitty to imply they have a spending/game addiction or something because they are willing to drop a ton of cash on a game (again, that we can only assume they absolutely have at their disposal). It’s not even a gambling situation - if they loose the auction, they’re out zero dollars. They only pay if they actually win. I’d argue spending lots of money (albeit fake dragon money in your case) to get together a breeding pair that you can’t even guarantee will sell enough hatchlings to break even is far more risky.
whole lotta bullshit here-- emphasis is mine, a wall of text for your wall of text
"Secondly, I want to address the other elephant in the room. Personally I don't actually mind how others spend money on this game. I know it seemed like that's what I was hung up on and that it appeared that was the reason I was "throwing a fit" over not getting a dragon I wanted with my finite resources and whatnot. I'll also admit that a lot of what I said was very much being angry in the moment, and is not a reflection of how I generally view users who spend irl money, even large amounts, on FR. If someone wants to drop $10k on something cause they can so be it. It wound up being a focus because again, I can not understate just how much being called "lesser" in the thread infuriated me."
ok so we've established you do NOT mind if people spend money, up to $10k, on pixels, or how they spend that money.
"What made me back out, is the behavior I saw on their profile, as well as DMs I was receiving from the auction runner at the time. While yes, Toxxitone COULD pay that amount in cash, a) it sounded like they needed the months-long hold in order to buy all the gems needed, and b) they were acting [like] that the dragon had to be theirs no matter the cost. So while they said they COULD afford to spend the money, I still feel as though they didn't actually have as much as they were willing to throw at 100x777 as well as 100x666, and merely wanted the dragon because no one other than them deserved it."
ok we've established you made unfounded assumptions on Toxx's finances, which are none of your damn business tbqh
"All of this is to say that I guess the "real" reason I backed out is that I don't want to be the one enabling this person to make these financial decisions. They can spend that $5k on their own time on different "fun bad ideas", but I don't want to be the one validating that it's what they need to do to get anything they desire. The auction format of 100x777 very much did that in my eyes after I found out, and I didn't want any further part in such a thing."
ok so you DO care how people spend money, when you feel involved in how they spend it-- like someone else said, you probably shouldn't take part in auctions if you feel concerned about how someone else is affording a high price item.
"So yeah, reading their clan profile message, seeing their behavior, and seeing how much irl cash they were willing to throw not only at this but later at 100x666, I backed out. I don't want to hold any sort of responsibility in enabling what could very well be bad financial decisions because they didn't want anyone other than themselves getting the dragon(s) they wanted. Regardless of if they could've easily afforded it or not, I've seen the slippery slope of this happen to another that was "well off" like they were, and wanted none of it. Again, I overreacted and worded things very badly when I probably should've done a "Fuck you you're being an asshole about this" and left it at that."
ok one, ur not responsible. Toxx is responsible for their own financial decisions. two, you're making assumptions about their finances that aren't your biz. and you're making a judgement about that decision ("bad") so yes you do care about how people spend money on pixels
"For a bit of a reason and context of why I'm like this, [my friend got addicted to a gacha game and almost went broke and i felt responsible because i encouraged it/said it was ok to spend money on the game] And all of us felt terrible after the blowup and that we were all partially the reason this happened to begin with. So I no longer play such games, and I no longer try to encourage anyone to spend large amounts of money on any game."
ok so again. you DO care how people spend money on pixels. you DO care how much people spend. you've got some personal trauma, fine. it's fine if you hate gambling games due to your experience (not sure why you're here tho since eggs, chests, NotN, etc. are all gambling lite). but you simultaneously say you don't care and then go into great detail about why you DEFINITELY care. YOU DO CARE. YOU REALLY DO, BUDDY. just get on your soapbox and say you hate gambling. that's fine, a lot of people do. it's fine to say 'hey imma back out due to personal reasons regarding spending IRL money on a game, i wish you well' but tbh i don't think that's the whole story, i think it's just the part of the story you're gonna tell the loudest and at most length bc it makes you seem sympathetic.
"My plans for 100x777 was to acquire them and 100x666 and make them into a fun lineage pair to breed in celebration of FR's history. I didn't care about sunk cost, or making money back, only that I gave back to the community in allowing others who weren't around for 100mil or couldn't afford dragons from everyone hatching eggs. I didn't intend on selling them for massive amounts of gems, only 100kt/g tops save for maybe specific egg numbers (1st, 7th, and 13th respectively, but I probably would keep one and gift and/or raffle the others). To me that was worth the amount I was offering in the thread, and I was making sure I didn't sell anything I had genuine deep attachments to. What I expected in terms of a person to bid against into absurd amounts was someone like the owner of 777, not Toxxitone."
ok imma be real, no one cares what u were gonna do with them. this sounds like moral bullshit to make yourself sound like the better person because you would share/"give back" by selling hatchlings for 100kt a pop (lmao) orrrr if this is supposed to be part of an explanation for why you could justify spending a lot of gems (recoup losses) vs Toxx buying gems with no financial plan to recoup losses... i don't fucking care bro, and neither should you because you allegedly "don't actually mind how others spend money on this game."
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(Anonymous) 2025-01-05 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/baz/3386602/4
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StrawberryAlex getting salty and Toxxitone getting upset with OP, and casually saying they’re gonna drop 5000 irl dollars on a dragon is wild. Great read though
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I'm not thrilled with how Toxxitone handled the situation. "People lesser than me have spent more on these things"?! Get real. StrawberryAlex reacted sensibly and frankly, more respectfully than I could have in their position.
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(Anonymous) 2025-01-06 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)For the record, I’m poor. Like, I’ve run out of food a couple times this year. But I’m an adult, and if I choose to buy something with my own money, I am allowed to make that choice. I know what I’m doing and I’ll back out if it becomes too much for me. Idk, it just seems super weird and disrespectful to suddenly accuse someone you don’t even know of being irresponsible with their own money just because you personally wouldn’t do it. Total overreaction imho.
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(Anonymous) 2025-01-07 12:17 pm (UTC)(link)Idk. I had some whiplash there seeing people actually supporting Strawberry. Like, I don't think the "ew gross why are you spending that money on a PNG" attitude was okay at all. It was poorly handled and they should have just kept that to themself. I get being unhappy that you won't get the dragon, but sheesh.
And honestly the auctioneer should have set some sort of AB if they really didn't want it to go over a certain amount. Sounds like there wasn't one.
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(Anonymous) 2025-01-07 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)Especially when nothing I do *will* affect the other person. I tell them 'you shouldn't spend more than you can afford!' and either they will ignore me and spend more than they can afford, or they already can afford it and will just ignore me. So, what exactly has come of it, other than it looking like I am jealous that they can spend that amount of money on something I want but can't afford? (which is honestly how it comes across to me here)
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(Anonymous) 2025-01-08 02:24 am (UTC)(link)Firstly, want to clear up that a lot of my reactions were due to a mix of lack of sleep, stress from the auction, and honestly Toxxitone pissing me off with their behavior and making my blood boil the instant they called poorer people "lesser". I've taken a step back, calmed down, and wanted to take time to address this without someone getting under my skin in a way I didn't think possible.
Secondly, I want to address the other elephant in the room. Personally I don't actually mind how others spend money on this game. I know it seemed like that's what I was hung up on and that it appeared that was the reason I was "throwing a fit" over not getting a dragon I wanted with my finite resources and whatnot. I'll also admit that a lot of what I said was very much being angry in the moment, and is not a reflection of how I generally view users who spend irl money, even large amounts, on FR. If someone wants to drop $10k on something cause they can so be it. It wound up being a focus because again, I can not understate just how much being called "lesser" in the thread infuriated me.
What made me back out, is the behavior I saw on their profile, as well as DMs I was receiving from the auction runner at the time. While yes, Toxxitone COULD pay that amount in cash, a) it sounded like they needed the months-long hold in order to buy all the gems needed, and b) they were acting that the dragon had to be theirs no matter the cost. So while they said they COULD afford to spend the money, I still feel as though they didn't actually have as much as they were willing to throw at 100x777 as well as 100x666, and merely wanted the dragon because no one other than them deserved it.
To quote the auction runner from a DM:
"It seemed like they were offering with good intent from the beginning, and did have specific plans with other dragons in mind, one of which they already owned, and the other planned to buy as well. When that changed and it seemed like they were continuing bidding because they didn't want to lose, and it was affecting both of us, is when I asked them to go public."
I can provide screenshots to a mod (if I can figure out how to privately do so) but I don't want to share publicly here as they are still DMs. There were a lot of DMs behind the scenes, and a majority of Toxxitone's behavior and comments are in those and unknown to me, whereas most of my own happens to be in that thread. I'd also like to not drag the auction runner into this as much as possible. I am also not going to contact the auction runner to get details about Toxxitone from their back and forth DMs.
All of this is to say that I guess the "real" reason I backed out is that I don't want to be the one enabling this person to make these financial decisions. They can spend that $5k on their own time on different "fun bad ideas", but I don't want to be the one validating that it's what they need to do to get anything they desire. The auction format of 100x777 very much did that in my eyes after I found out, and I didn't want any further part in such a thing.
For a bit of a reason and context of why I'm like this, I watched something similar happen to a former friend of mine that literally almost tore our entire friend group apart over a gacha game. We were here to have fun and poke at who had what and who was unlucky not to get something they had "whaled" over, despite us all (at the time) being F2P. This friend was decently well off, and decided to start spending a little for the stuff they wanted most after we encouraged them that it was okay to do so. To make a long story short, it ballooned out of control, they nearly went broke despite having "disposable income" to spend in such large amounts, and they neglected necessary charges such as student loans and rent for their addiction. All so they could have something we didn't and hold it over us, even as we told them we were far more focused on their bad spending habits than them getting another "rare" png. And all of us felt terrible after the blowup and that we were all partially the reason this happened to begin with. So I no longer play such games, and I no longer try to encourage anyone to spend large amounts of money on any game.
So yeah, reading their clan profile message, seeing their behavior, and seeing how much irl cash they were willing to throw not only at this but later at 100x666, I backed out. I don't want to hold any sort of responsibility in enabling what could very well be bad financial decisions because they didn't want anyone other than themselves getting the dragon(s) they wanted. Regardless of if they could've easily afforded it or not, I've seen the slippery slope of this happen to another that was "well off" like they were, and wanted none of it. Again, I overreacted and worded things very badly when I probably should've done a "Fuck you you're being an asshole about this" and left it at that.
This is already long enough, but to cover a couple other small things:
Cornix has the same amount of lair significance as a lamp in terms of lore in my lair. He's cool and sentimental, having hatched him myself and all, but my initial comments about him were made around 3am. Selling him wouldn't effect me all that heavily. He is quite literally a living plot device as he exists currently.
I contacted the owner of 100x666 to ensure Toxxitone wasn't spite bidding. The owner confirmed they were not, and the auction runner for 100x777 corroborated this after the auction was canceled. While there was no ill intent because they wanted that dragon anyways, I'm fairly certain they were attempting to rile me up again to make the whole situation even worse.
My plans for 100x777 was to acquire them and 100x666 and make them into a fun lineage pair to breed in celebration of FR's history. I didn't care about sunk cost, or making money back, only that I gave back to the community in allowing others who weren't around for 100mil or couldn't afford dragons from everyone hatching eggs. I didn't intend on selling them for massive amounts of gems, only 100kt/g tops save for maybe specific egg numbers (1st, 7th, and 13th respectively, but I probably would keep one and gift and/or raffle the others). To me that was worth the amount I was offering in the thread, and I was making sure I didn't sell anything I had genuine deep attachments to. What I expected in terms of a person to bid against into absurd amounts was someone like the owner of 777, not Toxxitone.
Anyways, as I said before, this is to get these thoughts out of my head and stop me from getting hung up on what happened. Regardless of what others think of me after this, having all of this off of my chest is all I really want. If I don't these things tend to eat at me and detract from the things I do that actually make me happy. I'll be lurking and might answer questions/respond to comments or remarks, but gauging the length of this post's preview (good god I'm sorry to everyone), I don't want to create the second longest text wall known to man on accident.
I know seeing the length of this alone will probably prevent most from reading more than a paragraph or two, but I'm sorry to those that hate me or blocked me over this. I know with how I responded that it was absolutely deserved with how unchecked and impulsive such a response was. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that.
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(Anonymous) 2025-01-08 02:56 am (UTC)(link)There's no way to tell someone "I can't control you but I don't want to speed up your self-destruction" without splash damage.
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(Anonymous) 2025-01-08 04:51 am (UTC)(link)You can say "I overreacted" until you're blue in the face, but "I don't want to hold any sort of responsibility in enabling what could very well be bad financial decisions because they didn't want anyone other than themselves getting the dragon(s) they wanted" is still you making assumptions about an internet stranger's financial situation based on minimal evidence and being moralist about it like you're somehow protecting them from themself due to unrelated experiences with a completely different person.
"While yes, Toxxitone COULD pay that amount in cash, a) it sounded like they needed the months-long hold in order to buy all the gems needed, and b) they were acting that the dragon had to be theirs no matter the cost."
Flight Rising caps gem expenditure at $3k USD/month. If someone is buying enough pure they have no choice but to wait several months unless they have treasure hoarded. Gem whales in this game often don't keep a lot of liquid treasure because it takes more effort to play G&G every day than to hit the Paypal button repeatedly.
"All of this is to say that I guess the "real" reason I backed out is that I don't want to be the one enabling this person to make these financial decisions. They can spend that $5k on their own time on different "fun bad ideas", but I don't want to be the one validating that it's what they need to do to get anything they desire."
Again, there you are trying to act like the sensible, responsible one despite not actually knowing this person beyond the single thread exchange.
"So I no longer play such games, and I no longer try to encourage anyone to spend large amounts of money on any game."
Then you shouldn't be participating in high-value auctions at all, if it brings you back to such terrible memories. You could have stopped bidding at any point if you were getting uncomfortable.
I really hate that I am defending someone who used the word "lesser" like that because I'm not trying to argue that Toxx isn't a prick. They are. You're just also being condescending, just in a more socially palatable way.
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(Anonymous) 2025-01-08 10:14 am (UTC)(link)Tomatoes aren't hard enough BOOOOOOO 🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥🥥
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(Anonymous) 2025-01-08 12:31 pm (UTC)(link)it's reasonable to be uncomfortable when people start bringing in huge sums of IRL money to a video game to do battle against your dragon monopoly dollars. it's not reasonable to start lecturing these otherwise perfect strangers like you're their parent because of interpersonal relationships those people have nothing to do with turned into traumas that they don't need to be on the receiving end of.
gambling has its god awful thorns in everything and it's gone and ruined a lot of people's lives, but you said a lot of words that never needed to be said on the forums, and i'm gonna be real: you never should have posted them here, either. toxx said some things in the worst way possible (likely also due to whatever stress you were bringing into that auction unwarranted) and they are responsible for their own actions and words, but you could have prevented it by just saying so much less.
next time you write a confessional like this, consider deleting it before you send it. let it go. faceless internet people don't need to hear it.
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(Anonymous) 2025-01-08 12:38 pm (UTC)(link)If you're willing to take some well-meaning advice: All your posts, both this one and those in the auction thread, would be massively better off cut down to the bare minimum needed for effective and semi-respectful communication. Do not compulsively expose every detail of your thought process and life story to strangers, especially if or when you cannot help yourself from emotionally charging it, coming off the way you just did, and doing more harm than good. As you yourself acknowledged but didn't really adapt the mindset behind in the same post, "you're kind of a dick, bye" and "this gives me pause for personal reasons so I'm withdrawing" are infinitely more valid and sympathetic than "wow, money for a dragon png, have you no shame, I, the sensible, frugal and benevolent party, am declaring you a pitiable fool and a danger to yourself and myself better than supporting these self-destructive impulses because here's how much me and my husband bought a house for and also most of my friends except two or three are also poor, something something my hopes and dreams, I don't know if you own a car or not but do you realize this money would be better off buying a car, I sure would love one, dear Lord the children in Africa are starving,
Also wat @ the 666 auction part. "There is no malicious intent, but I am fairly certain there is malicious intent"?? I'd understand the concern if the auction were for some completely unrelated dragon they just so mysteriously happened to follow you into, but there's nothing unusual about two people who were gunning hardcore for a specific ID both moving on to the next best thing after the first seller dropped out. Didn't you just quote 777's owner telling you outright Toxx was planning to buy other dragons like this before you even learned who you were bidding against? And contacting 666's owner, really? How would they know about the "spite bidding"?? Were you expecting Toxx to slide into their DMs to expose all the devilish plans they had of ruining your day like a Team Rocket grunt? That's all your own baseless assumptions getting away from you again. Considering you were the first to call out Toxx in that thread, and apparently already in the mindset they're out to get you, I can't think of a response they could give that WOULDN'T rile you up.
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(Anonymous) 2025-01-08 02:08 pm (UTC)(link)you are not justified in making the judgements that you did. period! you AND the auction runner
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(Anonymous) 2025-01-08 02:12 pm (UTC)(link)i'm happy for u tho
or sorry that happened /lh
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(Anonymous) 2025-01-08 03:06 pm (UTC)(link)I know this sucks to hear, but some people legitimately just have a ton of disposable income. You don’t know Todd’s situation. They very well could just have a really good job or family money or something, and no debts/other necessities that take all their spare money. For all you know they could have won the lottery or something and are just sitting on a massive pile of cash they don’t have need for. You literally have no access to their bank account or anything to make judgement calls about how much they’re able to spend. The money isn’t just going to be set aflame - they’re helping to fund a small game site by spending it on there. It’s hardly the worst thing someone can do with their money (despite what that one goofy anon earlier thinks).
I also think it’s really shitty to imply they have a spending/game addiction or something because they are willing to drop a ton of cash on a game (again, that we can only assume they absolutely have at their disposal). It’s not even a gambling situation - if they loose the auction, they’re out zero dollars. They only pay if they actually win. I’d argue spending lots of money (albeit fake dragon money in your case) to get together a breeding pair that you can’t even guarantee will sell enough hatchlings to break even is far more risky.
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(Anonymous) 2025-01-08 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)"Secondly, I want to address the other elephant in the room. Personally I don't actually mind how others spend money on this game. I know it seemed like that's what I was hung up on and that it appeared that was the reason I was "throwing a fit" over not getting a dragon I wanted with my finite resources and whatnot. I'll also admit that a lot of what I said was very much being angry in the moment, and is not a reflection of how I generally view users who spend irl money, even large amounts, on FR. If someone wants to drop $10k on something cause they can so be it. It wound up being a focus because again, I can not understate just how much being called "lesser" in the thread infuriated me."
ok so we've established you do NOT mind if people spend money, up to $10k, on pixels, or how they spend that money.
"What made me back out, is the behavior I saw on their profile, as well as DMs I was receiving from the auction runner at the time. While yes, Toxxitone COULD pay that amount in cash, a) it sounded like they needed the months-long hold in order to buy all the gems needed, and b) they were acting [like] that the dragon had to be theirs no matter the cost. So while they said they COULD afford to spend the money, I still feel as though they didn't actually have as much as they were willing to throw at 100x777 as well as 100x666, and merely wanted the dragon because no one other than them deserved it."
ok we've established you made unfounded assumptions on Toxx's finances, which are none of your damn business tbqh
"All of this is to say that I guess the "real" reason I backed out is that I don't want to be the one enabling this person to make these financial decisions. They can spend that $5k on their own time on different "fun bad ideas", but I don't want to be the one validating that it's what they need to do to get anything they desire. The auction format of 100x777 very much did that in my eyes after I found out, and I didn't want any further part in such a thing."
ok so you DO care how people spend money, when you feel involved in how they spend it-- like someone else said, you probably shouldn't take part in auctions if you feel concerned about how someone else is affording a high price item.
"So yeah, reading their clan profile message, seeing their behavior, and seeing how much irl cash they were willing to throw not only at this but later at 100x666, I backed out. I don't want to hold any sort of responsibility in enabling what could very well be bad financial decisions because they didn't want anyone other than themselves getting the dragon(s) they wanted. Regardless of if they could've easily afforded it or not, I've seen the slippery slope of this happen to another that was "well off" like they were, and wanted none of it. Again, I overreacted and worded things very badly when I probably should've done a "Fuck you you're being an asshole about this" and left it at that."
ok one, ur not responsible. Toxx is responsible for their own financial decisions. two, you're making assumptions about their finances that aren't your biz. and you're making a judgement about that decision ("bad") so yes you do care about how people spend money on pixels
"For a bit of a reason and context of why I'm like this, [my friend got addicted to a gacha game and almost went broke and i felt responsible because i encouraged it/said it was ok to spend money on the game] And all of us felt terrible after the blowup and that we were all partially the reason this happened to begin with. So I no longer play such games, and I no longer try to encourage anyone to spend large amounts of money on any game."
ok so again. you DO care how people spend money on pixels. you DO care how much people spend. you've got some personal trauma, fine. it's fine if you hate gambling games due to your experience (not sure why you're here tho since eggs, chests, NotN, etc. are all gambling lite). but you simultaneously say you don't care and then go into great detail about why you DEFINITELY care. YOU DO CARE. YOU REALLY DO, BUDDY. just get on your soapbox and say you hate gambling. that's fine, a lot of people do. it's fine to say 'hey imma back out due to personal reasons regarding spending IRL money on a game, i wish you well' but tbh i don't think that's the whole story, i think it's just the part of the story you're gonna tell the loudest and at most length bc it makes you seem sympathetic.
"My plans for 100x777 was to acquire them and 100x666 and make them into a fun lineage pair to breed in celebration of FR's history. I didn't care about sunk cost, or making money back, only that I gave back to the community in allowing others who weren't around for 100mil or couldn't afford dragons from everyone hatching eggs. I didn't intend on selling them for massive amounts of gems, only 100kt/g tops save for maybe specific egg numbers (1st, 7th, and 13th respectively, but I probably would keep one and gift and/or raffle the others). To me that was worth the amount I was offering in the thread, and I was making sure I didn't sell anything I had genuine deep attachments to. What I expected in terms of a person to bid against into absurd amounts was someone like the owner of 777, not Toxxitone."
ok imma be real, no one cares what u were gonna do with them. this sounds like moral bullshit to make yourself sound like the better person because you would share/"give back" by selling hatchlings for 100kt a pop (lmao) orrrr if this is supposed to be part of an explanation for why you could justify spending a lot of gems (recoup losses) vs Toxx buying gems with no financial plan to recoup losses... i don't fucking care bro, and neither should you because you allegedly "don't actually mind how others spend money on this game."
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