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do you think that could fall under harassment if toxxitone just keeps doing that? if there's a third time i think it would be likely they could be looking out for strawberry's bids on purpose

ayrt

I'm no FR-laws professional but I bet a case could be made. Toxxitone probably wouldn't get banned because you avoid banning your whales at all cost, but I'm sure StrawberryAlex could present an argument for some sort of punishment.

probably not a permaban, but a suspension penalty.

doubt it. also this seems an overly malicious assumption of toxxitone's motivations?

they're both after similar SID dragons (1000 x triple number or whatever). it's not shocking that after 777 was made raffle only they'd go for another triple number like 666.

like when you get down to it, strawberry is the one who has the issue and is also making a lot of weird assumptions here. they're not toxxitone's mother or spouse or anybody who needs be concerned with their IRL finances. if they don't like toxxitone's whaling or whatever that's understandable but like...also just part of being in a game where people can buy currency?

them trying to stage it like they're taking some moral stance against whaling or "protecting" toxxitone from their own whaling impulses is just weird and quite frankly invasive. they can withdraw from whatever auctions they want for their own comfort but leave off the preaching and scolding.

NAYRT As I mentioned before, Toxxitone has "PleASE stop buying dragons please please please please please our wallet cant handle it PLEASE" front and center on their profile page. I find it extremely difficult to believe that they're a whale.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250105233030/https://www1.flightrising.com/clan-profile/270681

Toxxitone could have taken the 5-10 minutes needed to edit their profile page so they at least looked the part of a legit whale. They didn't. StrawberryAlex's handling of the situation is sensible and normal given these circumstances.

I get being concerned about that part of Tox's profile. However, their first response in the thread clarifying they could in fact afford it should've ended the discussion right then and there. From that point onward, I don't find anything sensible or normal about a pages-long tirade lambasting Tox's spending habits and quoting their own family/friends'/husband's personal situations as basis for assumptions which Tox repeatedly said were incorrect. It's not a situation like AoiNoRyuu's who IIRC was posting about being unemployed and struggling to pay their bills while throwing hundreds of dollars at their mass hatch, this is just an adult with an absurdly well-paying job and although I agree it was dickish of them to flippantly bring this kind of money up in the first place, it's not anyone's place, either, to publicly scold and shame them as if they were a helpless child who needed their $$$ and their dragons taken away from them for their own good by the Moral and Frugal User.

And this isn't directed at your post specifically, but let's not act like a neat dragon png to support a small dev team of a game we all (hopefully) enjoy is anywhere close to the worst thing a rich person can throw cash at anyway. It's a harsh truth that the 1% of players who can spend more in a single day than the rest of the userbase could in their entire lifetime is essential to the success of free-to-play games with optional purchases (they usually constitute the overwhelming majority of gacha games' revenue, for example. FR runs ads so while I'm sure the breakdown is less imbalanced here, they've still got to make up a lion's share of staff's paychecks).

I get it, times are tough for everyone and money is a sensitive subject, I couldn't dream of spending the equivalent of 30 much less 300 or 3000 dollar on luxuries like this either, but one tactless pet site whale isn't the source of these problems, so let them whale where I cannot, let staff have the 3k dollars, the auctioneer their gems, and the whale their dragon. Strawberry should've just withdrawn with a snappy "nah, screw that/screw you" instead of blowing the whole thread up and robbing OP of the ability to accept an amazing offer in good conscience on their way out.

This whole thing has basically been a Flight Rising version of two assholes trying to buy an NFT and one flexing their funds and the other trying to guilt trip everyone involved to cave so they can get the stupid monke png.

They're both assholes and I feel bad for the seller.

AYRT and that is a LOT of words to say that you believe Toxx is a whale to begin with. I can't in good faith believe that.

Why? Spending upwards of $3k on a single item would make them one. All that matters is they explained multiple times that they have the means to do it, and the comment in their bio should not be taken at face value. Anything beyond that is groundless suspicions and not a justification for the behavior being discussed.

What evidence is there against that?

AYRT well... you did ask.

-Hibden space isn't maxed out
-Severe lack of high value festival/gem apparel items exclusive from prior to their account creation date
-Lack of easily attainable gem MP apparel featured in planned outfits, cumulatively costing less than their low digit dragons
-Very few low digit dragons that are split between gifts and purchased, none above 10kg
-Limited auction history showing they prefer one on one bidding and has no practice with bidding amounts upwards of thousands of gems
-No UMAs + the few site skins featured could have all been obtained through regular gameplay

I've got no issue with people splurging money on a dragon, but this whole incident points to being a one time occurrence for Toxxitone, not a regular one.

If you're just contesting my definition of 'whale', then sure. I was using it very liberally in reference to them since they themselves stated they hadn't spent money on FR up until that point. It still doesn't change my original argument that words straight from the horse's mouth should instantly overrule whatever assumptions you might've made about them based on their account, bio, etc, especially in the realm of public discussion.

AYRT I'm getting older and associate whaling much more heavily with chasing prestige/keeping up with a chaotic metagame. The point is, Toxxitone has no idea how much the dragons they were going for were worth and artificially inflated an auction well past a hypothetical autobuy.

And just because someone makes a claim, doesn't mean it's always true. We can't verify anyone's bank account ffs. The chance they were being serious is about as much as the chance as they were completely bullshitting everyone else involved.

Both sides were very well aware they're inflating the dragon's worth by the tenfolds. OP themselves pointed it out earlier in the thread.

I find the idea of a person needing to 'verify' their bank balance before they're allowed to mention spending RL currency without endless scrutiny and condescension from other users frankly ridiculous. Even if they are lying, which is an insulting assumption to make with zero evidence, it's none of an internet stranger's goddamn business to get to the bottom of it unless the spender is concurrently posting about their family starving to death as they throw thousands of $$$ at pngs cool-looking numbers or something. Which is not happening, so just call them a dick for flexing their wealth like that and leave them alone.

ayrt At this point I can't help but think you're acting deliberately disingenuous. The concept of "we can't verify, so we can't be sure," seems to be lost on you. It wasn't any deeper than that.

Hope your day's as nice as you are. I'm out.

And I could say you seem to have deliberately misinterpreted my post if your takeaway from it is that "we can", if that's the route you want to take. I didn't think this would need to be said, but no of course we can't ever be sure about anything about random strangers we've never talked to from the other side of the globe. This is precisely why I took issue with Strawberry deciding they know Tox's finances better than Tox does and taking the moral high ground of "protecting" them based on this nonexistent information and their own biases, assuming you're still the same anon who called their reaction normal and sensible.

I don't blame StrawberryAlex. If I told someone that the amount of money they're willing to dither away on a png would be extremely significant money for me and get responded to with "lol but I can easily afford it soooo..." I would be like yeah, no, fuck you, too. And I also just would not feel great contributing to someone spending an amount I'm aware is excessive and well beyond the value of the png when glancing at their profile seems to inform me that they have a spending issue.

NAYRT. That's understandable and I would probably do the same, but dedicating several walls of texts to paint it as this grandstanding moral imperative of "protecting the rich whale from themselves" instead of a "fuck you then, I'm out" is just bizarre and totally uncalled for.

DA

Yeah. Like it almost seems to me like Strawberry realized they were in over their head bidding against a whale since they (Strawberry) had more finite resources to put toward a dragon whose price was purely the result of two bloated egos smacking into each other and the moralism was just a convenient way to tap out.

Like they both seem like arrogant people I don't want to interact with, lol.

What really gets me is the complete lack of regard for the auctioner too. The whale stating they could afford it should've been the end of the discussion. OP could've easily made some good cash off that, but instead their thread got hijacked into Strawberry's personal soapbox to reproach the "ill-gotten" gems, no doubt making OP who was already overwhelmed with the bids feel awful to the point of closing the auction, because how the hell was anyone supposed to continue with it after that.

NAYRT

Yeah, and honestly, Strawberry's whole attitude rubs me the wrong way.

I don't have 5K to spend on games. I barely have 100 dollars a year to spend on games.

BUT, that is me, not Toxx (using two X's because wasn't there a different user called Tox that was far more problematic?). In fact, having users like Toxx can be *good* because it gives the site income that I, myself, cannot give it.

Sure, it might be sad to lose something I really wanted to someone who can pay more, but honestly, that happens, even when RL money doesn't enter into the equation.

Strawberry's attitude honestly reminds me of when Neopets first introduced Neocash. There were people who were lambasting other users who would even think about buying NC, because 'that money could pay my bills! or be given to charity! or it could be used for something I personally approve of!' It didn't even matter the amount.

Even with people pointing out that to them, the money they are spending is their 'fun money' that they don't spend on going to the theatre or cinema, they don't spend it going out to eat, etc.. they put it aside for their hobbies, which includes playing games like Neopets, there were still people upset that other people might use money for something they didn't approve of.

That is what this honestly sounds like it comes down to. Toxx has a disposible income that they feel they can use to spend on Flight Rising, and Strawberry doesn't like that they are willing to spend that amount on it.

I don't know, maybe it is just my personal philosophy, but I would presume that someone who is willing to spend that amount of money on one dragon either has A) an issue with spending money or B) can afford it, and neither of those is something I can do about it. Someone who has an issue with spending money isn't just going to stop because I get up on a soapbox about it, and if they can afford it, there is no need to stop them from spending that money outside personal preferences, which don't matter to the person spending the money.

Yeah I agree. Not to excuse tox's subsequent shitty comments about lesser people and whatnot, but Strawberry is the one who instigated the argument with their weird and extremely patronizing multiparagraph reaction of personal anectodes that frankly do not belong anywhere in a dragon auctions forum. They should've just said they're no longer comfortable bidding and left it at that.

I don't like their earlier comments in the thread about how "painful" it will be to sell their XXX either. Just poor form all around when the auctioner already said they were feeling bad about the price their dragon reached.

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