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An important update:

Due to a specific person being a complete child, comments are going to be screened by default.

This is only temporary, and I apologize for the inconvenience- this is going to be a pain in the ass for me, too, but multiple people have come forward about fears of doxxing, and this is the only way to make sure any doxxing is contained.

(This basically will force the doxxer to make a DW account to post any doxxing attempts unscreened, and will let me more reliably report them to DW staff/authorities.)

Again, I apologize, and will be working to unscreen comments as fast as possible, but I'm only one person.

(Vasemod has had some personal issues come up, so I am the only mod atm. Please bear with me until this bit of annoyance has passed.)

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Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

the staff are absolutely playing favorites. EVEN if they have great entries, there are still PAGES of other applicants that worked hard and want a spot.

besides, even historically and i have been on fr for all 10 years, they usually don't always pick the best winning accent. remember the spicy comments and arguments over that?

i feel like the animosity grows because one of the repeat winners was banned for multiaccounting. its like they got their cake and continue to eat it too. its a slap in the face imo

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

mythicalviper definitely has great art and very cool looking accents and i am not denying that in any way but the fact that staff picks them nearly every month for a long long time now makes me wonder if they even realize it themselves.
are they just flat out not noticing they keep picking them for months in repeat.
i dont want to say they dont deserve the wins (quality is there!), but a bit of me fears that it's going to come to a level where beginners dont want to submit their pieces anymore.
is it now 16 winners, or is it 14 + mv and brightmyth

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

"but a bit of me fears that it's going to come to a level where beginners dont want to submit their pieces anymore." you know, I never understood this mindset. staff increased the slots anyway, so even if they both win a fest that's still the original 14 slots that people can win in, right? why do people let other people consistently winning demoralize them from entering?

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

this is flight rising, people get whiny over just about anything here. i see it as self-defeat too but this userbase isn't really thinking straight sometimes

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

This... staff could make it 20+ and if those users won, there would still be complaints at this point.

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

fwiw I don't have a horse in this race at all as someone who hasn't entered in 8+ years and someone could win 6 years straight and I wouldn't notice or care. I'm just answering the "I never understood this mindset" part which I'm assuming to be in good faith.

Creating a festival entry takes most people time, energy, and effort, in a gamble that may or may not actually result in any gain. Whether or not the payoff is "worth it" is up to that individual user, but the more cons that get stacked up (of which "will I even win?" is a big one), the more likely it is that they won't bother entering. I'm not making any judgment here on whether it's right or wrong to have repeat entries, but I think it's fairly understandable that if someone looks at past winners and goes, "Hmm, these people have won a lot, my odds seem lower than theirs," it could easily contribute to tipping the scales against entering.

The same thing can happen with seeing amazing skins that have been already been submitted as well, for the record, not just repeat entries. If there's 16 slots, but the first 3 pages have 8 entries that feel like a shoe-in to that users, that leaves only 8 slots for them to fight over with other users, and can again pose the question of "is this really worth spending my time on entering?"

Whether that's worth it or not is up to the user in question, and their motivations. Financially, it's almost never going to be worth it compared to doing other, more lucrative activities in the amount of time spent, so you also have take that into consideration too.

Basically, tl;dr, there's a lot of factors, and the more negatives you stack up, the less the positives make it feel "worth" doing.

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

Considering the complaints last fest that some skins weren't good enough, staff just can't win, can they?

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

they can't. practically everything that's ever needed to be said has already been said over the last... year? and now it's beating a dead horse.

i'm not a fan of how staff picks either and complained here before, but even i know when to shut up and do something about it. i sent in a message through 'contact us' and then a few months later they added more slots and i've started to see more unique winners start popping up. i don't think i'm the catalyst of change or anything, but they're clearly doing something; it's just never enough or too much to everyone else and compromise is never allowed.

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't had time to look due real life. Anything getting the same treatment those did last month? Or did staff go back to the old pattern?

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

people seem happy with the selection this year. i haven't seen any complaints at least, it looks like staff picked a mix of 'typical' anesthetics and some 'uma' ones like the pearlcatcher and the wildclaw.

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

Based on how people reacted last month, I feel like it’s best if staff doesn’t consider how new entrants are when picking winners in the current system. Losing is demoralizing, but I’m sure having people talk badly about something you worked hard on is even more demoralizing.

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

I think staff should keep prioritizing quality, but I do think it would also be nice if there were ways for beginners to get recognized.

Maybe they could run a skin contest, separate from the festivals, that focuses on artists that have never won a site skin contest.

I also hope they open the coliseum skin contest again soon, more venues have been added, and it’s a lot less competitive than the festivals.

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

iirc multiaccounters and other ppl who got banned are allowed to make new accounts. so that's not staff bending the rules for someone. the punishment is they lost their old account and all the dragons/items they had on it. why should they (or anyone else) be punished beyond that?

I don't even really like their skins that much lmao but people get so salty about it.

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

it would take 0 effort to put in a one festival quarantine for winners of the previous one, i really dont understand why something like this hasnt been implemented given that its a monthly contest and therefore would barely impact repeat winners but make a huge difference in optics for aspirational/first-time entries

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

Because it is pure optics, nothing would be changed practically, and there’s no reason to stop good art from winning in this contest…
Where are all the new users saying they don’t want to enter because two people win consistently? They increased the number of winners, so that already means more people are winning. And if those two winners won every other month people would still be bitching about it being too often.

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

there is a ton of good art being entered, it's not like staff is having an easy time of judging every month, so good art would still win contests just not the same artists as the month before. I'm an old user (oct '13 window) and this discussion/wank wouldnt be repeated if people werent demotivated by the domination of specific artists in skin contests, im obvs biased also bc i have had multiple friends enter contests and quit due to the demotivation not necessarily not getting picked but rather seeing the same people get picked (and these are Good Art whatever you want to call it, successful on the skin and accent market, 15k+ followers on art accts, bad metrics but you get me they are not amateurs mad their glowey eye ms paint disaster didnt get an hon ment.)

I to an extent realize that arguing at all abt this is silly because none of us will change our minds and staff are happy w how it is now, but it is so wild to me that something accepted in a ton of other hobbies and with a very low impact is so controversial on FR.

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

"Where are all the new users saying they don’t want to enter because two people win consistently?"

theres people who HAVE talked about their experiences, even here on ARR. most are quietly keeping to themselves or keeping it amongst friends because others keep bitching about their feelings and telling them the FR equivalent of 'git good'/telling them to stop complaining, for the most part. with how hostile people get over this topic on both sides (and in the FR community as a whole), are you really surprised that there's artists who don't want to publicly talk about it?

most people are sending in Contact Us messages if they have a problem, or just stop submitting. it's not worth the possibility of being treated like ass by the community for making a comment in a public space (even anonymously) either to their face or behind their backs.

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

I've seen the sentiment too. They just stay quiet because they're scared people will attack them.

Which frankly, they would.

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

Attacking people for that is absolutely not OK, but rejection is a standard part of any artistic process. Absolutely any one (and for that matter, many non-artistic processes at that). Dipping out because you don’t like being rejected doesn’t mean that better skilled people should be penalized. The only way to not be rejected is to keep working and trying.

I’m sympathetic to people who are discouraged. Rejection sucks. But it’s not the fault of frequent winners who are objectively quite good AND are doing their best to provide more resources for the community as a whole so more people can win.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Hey, I'm not saying that there's a problem with the good ones getting picked. I would rather not see restrictions on winners like proposed.

I'm just pointing out that more than one person has seen the discouraged and too intimidated to talk folks. Confirming the anon I replied to is not wrong. They exist.

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. There’s no reason to attack or penalize the winners, and MV and 888 have BOTH gone the extra mile to provide resources for other artists. Most artists would let you drown instead.

Even if you want to complain, 888 is one thing with the multi but I don’t get the hate MV gets. I’ve never interacted with them so maybe I’m missing something, but seeing them get piled on every time they win gets really upsetting to see. I wonder if it’s still hyrultia/Linkedin who keeps starting drama about them. Does anyone know if those two have beef?

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

💯 I'm an old user and I find it discouraging... I have other more pressing reasons I don't enter the contests but it is a factor. I'm not super mad about it or anything lol it's just a minor bummer. And yeah it's super annoying bc people just say "git gud" when it's obvious that's not really the issue.

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

people have talked about this before. if winners can't win again for another month, what about the festivals that happen right before a popular festival? who in their right mind is going to enter for rockbreaker's if crystalline gala in january is coming up. that will just result in more people entering in popular months and less people entering in unpopular months, making the fest scene worse. every 'solution' that people came up with, such as a winning cooldown or allowing people to vote skins in by popularity, falls apart if you think about it for more than a few minutes.

Re: Fest skin wank again

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

there are tons of skins each fest that are perfectly fun, well executed and on theme. By having some fests be more unpopular surely you will also see more people go for that knowing they will have a better shot outweighing the 'skill drain' of people prioritizing or being on cooldown(people already plan around which fests they wanna do), sure maybe its not all gonna be 100% polished exactly what staff want, but who cares it might mean some fun stuff gets to get published and it helps optics