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Due to a specific person being a complete child, comments are going to be screened by default.

This is only temporary, and I apologize for the inconvenience- this is going to be a pain in the ass for me, too, but multiple people have come forward about fears of doxxing, and this is the only way to make sure any doxxing is contained.

(This basically will force the doxxer to make a DW account to post any doxxing attempts unscreened, and will let me more reliably report them to DW staff/authorities.)

Again, I apologize, and will be working to unscreen comments as fast as possible, but I'm only one person.

(Vasemod has had some personal issues come up, so I am the only mod atm. Please bear with me until this bit of annoyance has passed.)

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Because it is pure optics, nothing would be changed practically, and there’s no reason to stop good art from winning in this contest…
Where are all the new users saying they don’t want to enter because two people win consistently? They increased the number of winners, so that already means more people are winning. And if those two winners won every other month people would still be bitching about it being too often.

ayrt

there is a ton of good art being entered, it's not like staff is having an easy time of judging every month, so good art would still win contests just not the same artists as the month before. I'm an old user (oct '13 window) and this discussion/wank wouldnt be repeated if people werent demotivated by the domination of specific artists in skin contests, im obvs biased also bc i have had multiple friends enter contests and quit due to the demotivation not necessarily not getting picked but rather seeing the same people get picked (and these are Good Art whatever you want to call it, successful on the skin and accent market, 15k+ followers on art accts, bad metrics but you get me they are not amateurs mad their glowey eye ms paint disaster didnt get an hon ment.)

I to an extent realize that arguing at all abt this is silly because none of us will change our minds and staff are happy w how it is now, but it is so wild to me that something accepted in a ton of other hobbies and with a very low impact is so controversial on FR.

"Where are all the new users saying they don’t want to enter because two people win consistently?"

theres people who HAVE talked about their experiences, even here on ARR. most are quietly keeping to themselves or keeping it amongst friends because others keep bitching about their feelings and telling them the FR equivalent of 'git good'/telling them to stop complaining, for the most part. with how hostile people get over this topic on both sides (and in the FR community as a whole), are you really surprised that there's artists who don't want to publicly talk about it?

most people are sending in Contact Us messages if they have a problem, or just stop submitting. it's not worth the possibility of being treated like ass by the community for making a comment in a public space (even anonymously) either to their face or behind their backs.

I've seen the sentiment too. They just stay quiet because they're scared people will attack them.

Which frankly, they would.

Attacking people for that is absolutely not OK, but rejection is a standard part of any artistic process. Absolutely any one (and for that matter, many non-artistic processes at that). Dipping out because you don’t like being rejected doesn’t mean that better skilled people should be penalized. The only way to not be rejected is to keep working and trying.

I’m sympathetic to people who are discouraged. Rejection sucks. But it’s not the fault of frequent winners who are objectively quite good AND are doing their best to provide more resources for the community as a whole so more people can win.

Hey, I'm not saying that there's a problem with the good ones getting picked. I would rather not see restrictions on winners like proposed.

I'm just pointing out that more than one person has seen the discouraged and too intimidated to talk folks. Confirming the anon I replied to is not wrong. They exist.

I agree. There’s no reason to attack or penalize the winners, and MV and 888 have BOTH gone the extra mile to provide resources for other artists. Most artists would let you drown instead.

Even if you want to complain, 888 is one thing with the multi but I don’t get the hate MV gets. I’ve never interacted with them so maybe I’m missing something, but seeing them get piled on every time they win gets really upsetting to see. I wonder if it’s still hyrultia/Linkedin who keeps starting drama about them. Does anyone know if those two have beef?

The anon you replied to and I (the one they replied to) aren't even talking about most of what you're saying here.

I addressed ONLY the question asking "where are all the discouraged people," which denies the existence of discouraged artists intentionally or otherwise. all we did was explain they exist, have talked here before in other posts, and why people don't see them post about their discouragement so much. Whether we agree with your sentiment that "better skilled people shouldn't be penalized" or not, it isn't what we were talking about, and frankly not a conversation I'm interested in having.

+1

it's incredibly frustrating

nyart
you keep saying more skilled people and objectively better, which are a bit wild to say esp the latter. No shade to repeat winners, but there is plenty of really good art out there, at the same skill level, unsure why this keeps being ignored?? That's part of what's so frustrating as an audience about this discussion, none of us are talking about people who are unskilled or not as technically competent.

"The only way to not be rejected is to keep working and trying." people are, and are selling out on the skin/accent aftermarket, but eventually dip out because it's just not fun when there's a clear bias to specific peoples' interpretations. If MV's guide is in fact why they keep winning, i would love to see other people follow it and repeat their results, but doesnt seem like that has happened yet, honestly maybe that would be a fun community event idk??

NAYRT
seems like they ARE running a community event though alongside 888?
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/raf/3256014
but glancing at the entries so far it doesn't look like people have been following their guide lmao

ayrt

omg thats so cute! love that energy, i'll see if i can rally some friends and enter together

nayrt dude seriously it's so fucking annoying how people constantly assume it's about quality when it's obviously not. there's so many great artists who don't get picked, that's the problem.

NAYRT
It's true that it's about more than just art quality. There's also the elements of following the guidelines, fitting the theme, and paying attention to what other entries there are (all things MythicalViper discussed in their guide).

The most beautifully rendered, skillfully executed fire-themed design is not going to win during the Crystalline Gala. If the five best-drawn designs are all on an Imp M base, at LEAST two of them are going to get passed over. If staff chose the best-technically-executed designs, regardless of how well they fit the theme or how many of them are on the same base, I'm pretty sure that would lead to complaining from users who feel their flight is being misrepresented or that the less-popular breeds aren't getting enough attention. (Hell, we already get that kind of complaining - this would just exacerbate it.)

I wouldn't say that 888 and MythicalViper are the most technically skilled artists in the competitions. (Not that they're bad - they're both quite good, but yes, there are plenty of other competitors with comparable skill levels.) What they're good at is playing to the competition, which is a different skill set. (But a learnable one! Which they have been trying to teach other people with their guide!)

I'm gonna be real, I don't think "if the 5 best drawn things are on m imp" fits here. If you actually look through submission threads, the breed variety is always on the rather diverse side. Just because m imp dominates the UMA scene doesn't mean that is only what people submit to accent contests, which is a whole different thing.
However MV won with "female ridgeback wings and back" based accents 6 times, which is literally just them using up the fact that this is one of the least represented combos still.

💯 I'm an old user and I find it discouraging... I have other more pressing reasons I don't enter the contests but it is a factor. I'm not super mad about it or anything lol it's just a minor bummer. And yeah it's super annoying bc people just say "git gud" when it's obvious that's not really the issue.

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