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None of these are actual solutions except maybe 2. The best solution is to never give away your dragons. People delete pre-written lore all the time, I definitely have and DMing a person you gave a dragon to about how you don't like the lore they wrote and if they could change it can be in the realm of harassment imo. That's their dragon, they can write what they want. Granted it can also be harassment to write the former owner was a dick in their bio lol

And the issue isn't "new person who got my old dragon made lore I didn't like" it was "new person wrote that my clan is evil and they practically escaped abuse". I don't give a shit if someone writes a story for an old dragon of mine and I personally don't vibe with it. That's fine, it's literally not my dragon anymore. I do care when they involve me or other users and make them out to be a shitty person in said lore unless it's a special case and they've spoken to whoever they wrote about to get permission.

People need to stop being Luvia and writing weird shit in their lore about the previous owners, simple as that.

AYRT I think my first solution still holds up. If you don't have lore that indicates otherwise, people can think all they want about how your clan operates. The sky's the limit. And if they didn't read in the first place, it becomes pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that's the case once they see your lore.

And... since I feel this needs to be said, and I think it's reasonable that I say it now: you are not magically made out to be a shitty person if someone writes a bad take about your lore and your characters. Anyone giving you grief over that sort of thing is fucking stupid. Block them.

AYRT, we can agree to disagree then. I don't think writing helps because a lot of the times people just delete it without reading anyways. The world building you are providing by writing it is lost then and it's very doubtable that they are going to go out of their way to read your lore to understand it and then write their own. They are just going to write their lore from scratch in my experience. Obviously there are going to be some exceptions to this and maybe writing can help in those times but in the grand scheme it feels like a waste of time. I myself have gotten a dragon with lore and deleted it without a second thought to write my own without reading it or the previous owner's overall lore. I just wrote that dragon into my clan lore and plenty of users do the same (whether it be "normal" like I consider mine or fucked up like some others)

I never said you (general) are a bad person because someone says or writes that you are. It's the fact they wrote that and it makes people uncomfortable reading it about themselves and their dragons/clan. Blocking them doesn't make it go away completely, others can still read and see that shit

AYRT We'll most certainly need to agree to disagree. I won't pretend imagine to understand what "normal" lore is. People like to write and read different kinds of stories - up to and including making a whole lair's worth of dragons into notorious villians, cultists, or any other messed up groups you can think of. This has been a part of the FR lore space since the site began.

Bad takes being out on the internet are a part of life. Is it fair to have some random person think a certain way about you because of what someone else wrote? No. But it's better to learn to deal with the brief, uncomfortable feelings that come with than grow resentful. And better yet to show your work (writing) in advance to alleviate those kind of misunderstandings.

AYRT, I just used "normal" to describe lore as a blanket term for lore obviously. That's a pretty subjective way to describe it so your version of normal may be different from mine, that's fine. I don't have a problem with writing evil or not morally upstanding characters into people's lore, that's not the problem we are talking about lol

You don't have to educate me on that either, I know that bad takes are always going to be on the internet. It's literally unavoidable. I'm just saying maybe it's not cool to fucking write the clan who specifically had that dragon before it was passed to the new owner is abusive and evil. I'm not resentful or anything, I'll just report those instances and be on my way. My only point in arguing any of this with you is to show the solutions aren't so easy as you are saying unless people just decide to avoid it entirely by not giving away or selling their dragons anymore.

AYRT Maybe my autistic ass is getting too old to give a shit about what a hypothetical person writes about "my clan". Maybe I have enough confidence in my writing ability that upon comparison, a reader could understand the difference between my writing and some unrelated, ow the edge backstory.

As much as I want to engage your argument - because it has merit - the crux of it is such a non issue to me as to be non-existent, even in a hypothetical.

AYRT, what? Since when is any of this about confidence in anyone deciphering what you wrote? Genuinely at this point you keep bringing in outside random tangents outside of the mainpoint and I'm sorta done talking about this lol

You genuinely are starting to sound like the people who write the fucked up lore about other people's clans

AYRT and I'm genuinely sorry to disappoint you. The whole point of my minor salt was about the people who whine and moan about those morons in the first place. In my experience, the people who do the whining also tend to be the same people who don't get around to writing their lore.

While I find the whining about the people who write the fucked up, specific lore about other people's dragons to generally come from self-defeatist attitudes, I think it's been made amply clear from other anons that I'm in the minority opinion. That's fine.

AYRT I personally don't give a fuck what anyone writes but I'm just saying you sound like that type :p maybe a Luvia has hit ARR, you should stop caring so much about this anon

nayrt

and our responses have been "your 'solutions' aren't solutions," not that we think that "the whining about the people who write the fucked up, specific lore about other people's dragons" doesn't "come from self-defeatist attitudes."

the REAL 'minority opinion' you have is that you're badly advising people on how to deal with a situation by suggesting ways that does nothing OR could worsen it, when all the situation calls for is to:

1. not sell/give away your dragons
2. ignore/block players you don't want to interact/buy your dragons
3. report if what they've done is rule-breaking

it takes less energy to do these three things than it does to do anything you suggested, and quite frankly is more ND friendly. you maintain total control over all your dragons if you don't sell/give them away, you maintain total control over who can interact with you or buy your dragons by blocking and if someone buys a dragon from you to give to a blocked user that's block evasion and reportable, and it's no longer your problem if you report to staff and let staff do their jobs to handle it for you. all of this results in less anxiety of things you own having things you don't like done to them, and lets staff handle situations for you so you don't have to talk to people doing things you don't like.

stop overcomplicating the whole situation.

any one in this thread smoke weed

AYRT don't smoke it but I'll be popping some eddies tonight because holy shit I need it

there's not enough weed or alcohol in my house to numb whatever the fuck OP has been on about

nayrt but you sound like somebody who needs more going on in their life if you have time to keep tabs on and make judgements about the lore of every dragon you sell.

begging all of you to go back to your smr echo chamber.

+100
Obsess over your own dragons rather those of other people.

AYRT lol nah man I just think this person screams Luvia energy and had to point it out, simple as that. Someone can write fucked up shit about my clan, idgaf

Anon you...think screams Luvia energy?? Is that the one who blocks everyone in existence for existing? If I look this guy up I'm not gonna find gore, am I?

AYRT that's the one but they also would write lore about other people's clans in their dragon's bios. Pretty sure all that shit got reported and is gone though lol

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It's always the "go back to SMR" shit LMAO that'll show 'em, do it again

The only way I see #1 as a solution is basically you're now headcanoning lore for a dragon you no longer own so now *you*, the previous owner, don't need to worry what other people write for it. This helps the previous owner come to terms with not physically having the dragon under their control or whatever. But it doesn't change that the new owner can do whatever they want with it, and most people will. I've absolutely bought dragons and wiped everything that was in the bio to make it my own- even fancy art and layouts. And since this is now a headcanon for the dragon it isn't really necessary to write it down, unless that makes you feel better.

And it's not really about whether or not *other* people would give you shit, that's irrelevant, the point is that the new owner is potentially saying disparaging things about you (on purpose or accidentally) and that that potentially falls under the site's rules against call-outs and blacklists. The point is that it *could lead to* unwanted attention to a specific user, not whether or not it actually does. This is the same reasoning for why you can't make threads praising specific users either.

But again this all really rolls around into the only real solution of stop giving a fuck what other people write. If it's heinous (and some folks have written truly fucked up shit for a pg13 website without even getting into the 'previous *insert user name* clan was abusive etc etc' stuff that started this discussion) report it and let staff handle it. Otherwise stop giving a shit, mind your own business. [general you's here]

AYRT, I've stared at this response for over five minutes and still don't get how you got "headcanoning lore for a dragon you don't own" out of saving a backup of your writing.

Because I don't see how having written down lore matters at all for a dragon you don't own. I don't see how writing down your lore has any impact on lore other people have written for a dragon you don't own.

You can save a backup of your own writing, that's pretty good practice to have, especially on the internet... but that's not a *solution* to the problem of, to paraphrase the above, 'someone else wrote lore I don't like'. Writing down your own lore is tangential to the topic at hand.

SA

To phrase it another way... The topic is Person A has lore and sold a Lore Dragon to Person B. Person B changed that lore in a way that Person A did not like (in a non-rulebreaking way to simplify things). How does having a backup of the lore that was on the Lore Dragon help this situation?

My interpretation would be that because Person A has their own version of the lore that was on the Lore Dragon they can refer back to that whenever they get upset about Person B's lore, even though Person B's lore is the new canon for that dragon since it is now theirs (hence the headcanon comment). If Person A has their own lore to refer to, technically it doesn't really matter if they have it written down though? How does having a written backup as opposed to ideas floating around in your head really help in this matter? (The original "solution #1" specified that ideas floating in your head did not count. Why is this, what makes them significantly different than a physical backup in this situation? That's my issue.)

I actually do not think the original issue was that. That's what some people turned it to.

It more read as User A sells dragon to user B. Not a lore dragon or anything. Just a dragon. User B writes edgelord lore in dragon's profile saying User A's clan is abusers or sells their kids into slavery which upsets user A. There was nothing about deleting lore from the dragon.