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nayrt

huh, i was surprised that the dom watch thread had nothing for fires push and assumed that they were just keeping all the details in-flight, but youre saying that they had literally nothing planned? no raffle/team events/leaderboards/etc?

We had a familiar collection for the bank thing (which we do every profit push), as well as an art and poetry event

The only raffle was someone generously raffling a copy of one of their UMAs (for t/g, not level based)
No IF raffle or leaderboard or tracking that I could find anywhere

ayrt

no tracking/leaderboard feels so bizarre, is that common for fires profit pushes? maybe im just a bit ignorant bc i only know how my flights dom works we always have a basic leaderboard, imo it adds some nice competition and i assume is helpful for the orgs to understand their own flights capabilities.

agreed, it's like "combat data" in anime except it's actually useful

we usually only have tracking for conquests as far as I know! it's... weird, especially since people *love* competing within flight to the extent where we have a whole event for it with teams (similar to house cup but it's forge guilds)
honestly I thought we were going to do battle of the forges for in-flight conquest, but.. nope
Just disappointed, might move for a change of scenery

I would really consider Water, I joined bc I wanted to experience a new dom scene that was better than my old flight's and I've been happy here

thank you, nonny! I'm heavily considering it ^^; I guess we'll see

doing this for every single profit push we do (water) would burn people out so a lot of our profit pushes are more chill. we don't always do tracking

we track and have leaderboards for every single push in light, but most people don't fill it out unless there's a raffle or tiered badges so the pressure is pretty low

same for lightning, although we usually have badges and at least a small raffle for our pushes.

ive never heard about burnout concerns wrt recording IF dragons tho, im surprised to hear its an issue for some ppl? obviously it would be understandable for OOF attendants bc theyre under time crunches but for IF recorded stuff im usually in the 600-1k exalted range and havent had issues w/ recording?

AYRT

Yeah, I didn't mention it but I'm confused by the concept of burnout from recording. How does Water do it? To me, that sounds like its tedious and unnecessarily in-depth if it causes people to burn out.

It's not about the method of recording - ours is quite streamlined and doesn't require IDs - and not just about recording. Water pushes at least every other month and throws in unofficial "aiming for 3rd place bc we're close" pushes more frequently than that, so getting artists to make badges, orgs to make spreadsheets and organize prizes for all of these pushes would be a lot. Worth noting also that Water is one of the smaller flights so there aren't as many artists, for one thing. I think we're also just more chill about it bc it doesn't really seem necessary? Level badges are based on the honor code, etc.

idk, my flight pushes at around the same frequency and uses a similar ID-less recording method for IF stuff and we dont really have.. issues with that? i guess i assumed every flight had a main IF sheet with basic user tracking/leaderboards where they did a basic data clear-out before each organized push. is waterdom making entirely new spreadsheets for every single push? obviously organizing new events and getting art is a different deal but if we're only talking about things like basic leaderboards/stat tracking its honestly surprising to hear it isnt a priority for water, which from what ive heard is a more competitive flight? maybe my assumption was wrong

ayrt i went and looked at our dom hub to see what pushes were for the past year and i think we're just chill about recording. 🤷‍♀️ there is a long-term program where you can record all exalts for points but it's obvi optional. since our orgs are into stats i'm guessing their have other priorities for data collection.

february 2023 - profit push, recording for fodder distribution program
february 2023 - informal/unofficial push for 3rd
february 2023 - informal/unofficial push for 3rd
december 2022 - soft conquest push w/o OOF support, recording not required
november 2022 - conquest push w/PB, recording own exalts not required
october 2022 - soft conquest push w/o OOF support, recording required for IF raffle
september 2022 - informal/unofficial push for 2nd
september 2022 - informal/unofficial push for 3rd
july 2022 - profit push, recording not required
july 2022 - conquest push w/o OOF support, recording required for team vs team IF raffle
june 2022 - informal/unofficial push for 2nd
may 2022 - profit push, recording not required
april 2022 - festival push, recording required for IF raffle
march 2022 - profit push, recording not required

ayrt

im still confused why recording exalts isn't a priority to your dom leads. thats like the #1 thing you want to record in a push. i completely believe that the orgs are into stats but if they arent recording exalts or other participation, what data are they even collecting...?

AYRT well you'd have to ask them. 🤷‍♂️ but since we beat earth and seem to be a pretty strong dom flight I'm not gonna question it! lol

im not arguing about water's placement stats, those are undeniable. i just think its a bit contradictory to say water is organized and data-driven, then right after say the orgs are too "chill" to care about basic metrics or events. it just comes across as weirdly defensive in a thread about how fire's dom leads arent doing the bare minimum. other strong dom flights like light and plague are able to consistently organize events and track metrics, on a monthly or bi-monthly schedule.

DA From what I've observed our orgs (and even non-orgs) are interested in battle stats as well as specific experiments like our team v team pushes, and other interesting topics like figuring out flight size ratios. I originally joined because one of our orgs posted dom stats in FRD. I like that we do more dom analysis in general beyond just what's going on internally and there's a lot of discussion of the stats behind even battles we aren't involved in - it gives me the sense that our dom scene is looking at the big picture, which as a dom nerd, is appealing.

I am also curious what flight you're in, just to have a basis of comparison, as I don't really have dom experience in other flights.

im in lightning. we push bi-monthly (previously we were monthly but we recently switched) and we have raffles and team competitions for every push. obviously recording isn't /mandatory/ but those things provide a good incentive for recording, and i think the data collected is super fascinating. stuff like how many people participate, average level trained to, programs that are successful/programs that need improvement, balance with the team competitions, etc. i think that not recording things leaves a lot of data on the table, and its often very valuable for improving the dom experience and maturity for the flight.

nayrt

Kinda funny that you're trying to school people from Water on dom stuff given the uh, turbulence Lightning has been through in the past year or two. 😂 I'm gonna go ahead and guess Water knows what they're doing.

im not trying to school anyone, and im sorry if my comments came across that way. as ive said, its obvious that water has provable success with its placement stats. im just surprised to hear that other flights arent as interested in IF data as lightning is, because its something i think is valuable. its really not deeper than that

SA

sorry, to clarify a bit, im sure there are other flights that are interested in IF data in similar ways that i see lighting track. ive just only been in lightning so its always interesting/surprising to hear that some other flights handle dom differently. i also am genuinely sorry if any of my earlier comments came across as rude, i struggle with tone sometimes.

AYRT

totally understandable, I think it was just this line that came across as teachy:

"its often very valuable for improving the dom experience and maturity for the flight"

you're def right, collecting all these stats is def a good thing! I'm really glad to hear that lightning is doing well - y'all did great against wind and I'm looking forward to seeing how your dom program continues to grow!!

Re: Curious about dominance battle wording

(Anonymous) - 2023-03-23 18:16 (UTC) - Expand

AYRT wait but what flight are you in?

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