yeah i'm sorry guys but watching this thread i'm just like, why do you all care so much? they're not antagonizing anyone, just vagueposting and being miserable. just block them and move on, it feels like *we're* the obsessed ones now
Yeah, that’s my point. It really feels like AC is either a teen or young adult who throws around buzzwords to people who they don’t like, but they’re not really someone dangerous or actually doing anything that deserves this weird level of obsession and borderline harassment.
It’s also kinda weird to say that they don’t deserve sympathy when, again, they’re still a human person and probably a teen or young adult. Just leave them alone.
DA, I am pretty certain that AC is in their thirties or older so not just some immature kid being stupid on the internet. You probably just haven't read their weird long rant about FR and everyone being ableist
Does that matter though? No one is saying they’re making objectively good choices but they’re also obviously struggling. The rant is weird and long but surely the best result is to just not engage.
Archiving the whole lair in context of someone saying that they’re tired of being on drama sites is a bit much.
I think it's important to archive at least some of this, so that people don't waste their time worrying about someone who, while troubled, is obviously doing this to manipulate opinion of them and play at being a victim of some targeted hate campaign. It's not a hate campaign to point out they're toxic and hypocritical. It's not unwarranted to keep proof of that around either.
There's a difference between struggling and genuinely asking for help and just crying online for attention and sympathy. Everyone has their struggles and I rarely see people act in the way that AC does. Ofc people react to things differently but when you admit your behavior is wrong like AC has but then continue to behave that way even though you have said you've changed? There is a problem there.
I'm not saying the archiving of the whole lair is appropriate, that definitely is a bit much but I don't think ignoring and condoning their terrible behavior is right either. People deserve to be called out for being a shit person, that's the only way some people see the error of their ways and work towards change. Maybe someday AC will genuinely change but as of recently I don't believe that's the case.
You can be actually struggling and also cry online for sympathy, those are not mutually exclusive options. IDK about being a shit person either. The behind-the-back complaining about the Emperorz was the worst of it IMO, and yeah, that’s immature and rude, but the solution to that is for the Emperors runners to politely and privately call them out on it.
There’s a difference between calling someone out on a bad behaviour and pointing at someone and saying “look a this dysfunctional person, they suck” and only one of those is actually helpful.
AYRT, Honestly I'm not going to keep arguing about this after this post because AC and this whole thing isn't worth more of my time but just know that I disagree with you about them. I never said those are mutually exclusive options but imo AC is only one of them. If you think the Emperorz is the worst of their behavior then you clearly don't know much about them and should look into their behavior before coming to a conclusion.
I am calling out their bad behavior, you /gen can be dysfunctional and that doesn't excuse your actions, that's just how the world works. Just because someone is going through something doesn't excuse them being a bad person. Everyone, including myself, have their own issues that they just don't talk about. I think it's only right to inform AC that their actions reflect on their character poorly and they don't appear to have changed much at all.
Yeah as far as I'm aware this Emperorz thing is just like. the most recent thing. Just one more thing on top of the pile of things they've done... right? They're the Eridan person right? IF so, then this has been going on for YEARS. Pretty sure I saw their named mentioned on the old AR as far back as 2017 when I did a quick google.
It makes sense to document it, especially since one of the things they were known for is multi-accounting/having stuff funneled to them and getting one of their accounts banned because of it.
They don't seem to be very inclined in altering their behavior all that much.
AYRT, yup they are Eridan or PrinceEridan or the-betrayed-prince, many aliases. Emperorz is just like a drop on the bucket of their shitty behavior.
I forgot about the multi-accounting tbh so you're totally right about documenting their lair. With the amount of shady stuff they've done, hard to keep track of it all.
Agreed they don't seem very inclined to change or improve their behavior.
There’s a difference between calling someone out on a bad behaviour and pointing at someone and saying “look a this dysfunctional person, they suck” and only one of those is actually helpful.
if this ultimately pretty mild discussion + documentation of someone who has made many extremely unkind statements strikes you as so excessive, anonymous gossip communities may just... not be your kind of place, anon.
when you being a dysfunctional person makes the space around you an unpleasant place to be, you're gonna get people bitching about it. this place does not exist to help people. it exists to bitch about people.
if being dysfunctional makes you an asshole to everyone around you, you need therapy
No, I just feel bad for this specific person because of all people on the site they need to *stop* participating in the gossip feedback, because that's not contributing to their mental health. Not because I think they are correct, I just feel bad for people who are their own chief problem.
And also because there's a difference between documenting someone's unkind statements and documenting someone's mental spiral. As far as documenting any nastiness to other players, fire away.
One of the things to consider (and I am not AYRT), and one reason why I do feel things like this should be called out, is that they are doing it on a dragon breeding/dressup site.
No one on site can help. Unless they are getting a ton of PMs from people, I also haven't see anyone on site actually being mean to them, and if they cannot stop themselves from visiting drama blogs, then TwinFish (who is supposed to be the go to person for them) *needs* to step in and stop them from going on said sites.
This can also make other people feel worse (people who aren't even involved in any of it) because they know they can't do anything and they see someone who seems to be struggling and a 'victim' of harassment, and they don't know about the repeated nature of this behavior. Especially younger people who might also be struggling with their own problems and don't have the resources/experience to deal with them.
So, I do feel that documenting the both the unkind statements and the 'everyone hates me' flip side is helpful because it gives evidence for people to use in order to explain *why* AC is their own worst enemy.
normally i would agree. but this is AC. they do this constantly.
AC is an adult. AC makes the consistent choice to post these "mental spirals" in a public space that is easily connected to their online presence on a website where they are consistently unkind and constantly calling everyone around them bigots because they've been slightly inconvenienced. there is no doubt in my mind that AC is aware that people talk negatively about them as a result of their actions on FR. and they still continue to make the choice to publicly post all of their personal/mental issues.
again. AC is an adult. AC is almost middle aged. regardless of what issues you have, this behavior is completely inappropriate. especially when we're talking about a 13+ pet sim.
imo i think documenting these things is important, so people are aware this is something that AC does literally constantly. AC usually does this in response to people acting negatively to something that they said/did. complete armchair here but i truly believe a lot of this is done for sympathy farming from the few people that aren't aware this is a pattern of behavior.
I'm pretty sure wanting people to excuse them and let them act however they want because they're mentally unwell is like, one of their main things? The moment anyone dares to call them out on anything, like many have already mentioned they will act extremely hostile and make a point about how "we're only doing this because they're disabled and trans" as if that somehow... makes it okay to use ableist language against others, to guilt trip people on the internet into donating money and mental energy and art etc, to dish out very serious accusations towards completely innocent people, to create and spread awful misinformation (or try to), plus several other things I'm either forgetting or don't know about because I've only loosely been following AC incidents over the years. Using the fact that they're dysfunctional to get a free pass to treat everyone they don't like like garbage shouldn't be ignored.
AYRT (last time, I promise, I know that we’re entering dead horse territory here).
I want to be clear here that I’m not excusing their behaviour and I don’t think the solution is just to let them act how they want to. Their attitude to other players, guilt trippy and otherwise, call-outs of staff, begging, spreading misinfo, etc are all Not Good. The fact that they’re visibly shame spiralling also comes across to me like an attention ploy and not a subtle one. One that is more suitable for young teenagers in middle school having their first friendship problems, and even there my advice to the middle schooler would be to Not Do That. It’s inappropriate to traumadump on people who didn’t consent to it, which is what’s going on here among many other things, and it’s unhelpful and unhealthy.
I feel sympathy for them because they clearly don’t have a good healthy coping system and/or are choosing to self-destruct. I don’t think the two feelings are mutually incompatible, or that being sympathetic means that AC should not experience the naturally consequences of their behaviour. Which is for people to block and keep blocking. If that means AC can’t participate in player-run activities and Dom, that is an appropriate consequence for not being able to be civil to their fellow players. The only way to “win” with this pattern of actions is to not interact.
I’ll also note that the only action on here I objected to was archiving their whole lair after the latest shame-spiral, because it felt excessive to archive the WHOLE lair as part of documentation. But I understand that not everyone agrees!
Not really relevant to anything going on here, but seeing them call Seboo22 a victim in that first screenshot is hilarious because Seboo22 was banned for being a straight up homophobe. Like, maybe they didn't know about that, but posting that as some sort of proof that staff are evil villains out to ruin everyone's fun or whatever is so funny.
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Re: AstralCrescent
(Anonymous) 2024-07-25 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)yeah i'm sorry guys but watching this thread i'm just like, why do you all care so much? they're not antagonizing anyone, just vagueposting and being miserable. just block them and move on, it feels like *we're* the obsessed ones now
Re: AstralCrescent
(Anonymous) 2024-07-25 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)It’s also kinda weird to say that they don’t deserve sympathy when, again, they’re still a human person and probably a teen or young adult. Just leave them alone.
Re: AstralCrescent
(Anonymous) 2024-07-25 07:41 pm (UTC)(link)Here take a look lol:
https://archive.ph/5xm07
Re: AstralCrescent
(Anonymous) 2024-07-25 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)Archiving the whole lair in context of someone saying that they’re tired of being on drama sites is a bit much.
Re: AstralCrescent
(Anonymous) 2024-07-25 08:05 pm (UTC)(link)I think it's important to archive at least some of this, so that people don't waste their time worrying about someone who, while troubled, is obviously doing this to manipulate opinion of them and play at being a victim of some targeted hate campaign. It's not a hate campaign to point out they're toxic and hypocritical. It's not unwarranted to keep proof of that around either.
Re: AstralCrescent
(Anonymous) 2024-07-25 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)I'm not saying the archiving of the whole lair is appropriate, that definitely is a bit much but I don't think ignoring and condoning their terrible behavior is right either. People deserve to be called out for being a shit person, that's the only way some people see the error of their ways and work towards change. Maybe someday AC will genuinely change but as of recently I don't believe that's the case.
Re: AstralCrescent
(Anonymous) 2024-07-25 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)Re: AstralCrescent
(Anonymous) 2024-07-25 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)You can be actually struggling and also cry online for sympathy, those are not mutually exclusive options. IDK about being a shit person either. The behind-the-back complaining about the Emperorz was the worst of it IMO, and yeah, that’s immature and rude, but the solution to that is for the Emperors runners to politely and privately call them out on it.
There’s a difference between calling someone out on a bad behaviour and pointing at someone and saying “look a this dysfunctional person, they suck” and only one of those is actually helpful.
Re: AstralCrescent
(Anonymous) 2024-07-25 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)I am calling out their bad behavior, you /gen can be dysfunctional and that doesn't excuse your actions, that's just how the world works. Just because someone is going through something doesn't excuse them being a bad person. Everyone, including myself, have their own issues that they just don't talk about. I think it's only right to inform AC that their actions reflect on their character poorly and they don't appear to have changed much at all.
Re: AstralCrescent
(Anonymous) 2024-07-26 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)Yeah as far as I'm aware this Emperorz thing is just like. the most recent thing. Just one more thing on top of the pile of things they've done... right? They're the Eridan person right? IF so, then this has been going on for YEARS. Pretty sure I saw their named mentioned on the old AR as far back as 2017 when I did a quick google.
It makes sense to document it, especially since one of the things they were known for is multi-accounting/having stuff funneled to them and getting one of their accounts banned because of it.
They don't seem to be very inclined in altering their behavior all that much.
Re: AstralCrescent
(Anonymous) 2024-07-26 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)I forgot about the multi-accounting tbh so you're totally right about documenting their lair. With the amount of shady stuff they've done, hard to keep track of it all.
Agreed they don't seem very inclined to change or improve their behavior.
da
(Anonymous) 2024-07-26 12:31 am (UTC)(link)if this ultimately pretty mild discussion + documentation of someone who has made many extremely unkind statements strikes you as so excessive, anonymous gossip communities may just... not be your kind of place, anon.
Re: da
(Anonymous) 2024-07-26 12:51 am (UTC)(link)when you being a dysfunctional person makes the space around you an unpleasant place to be, you're gonna get people bitching about it. this place does not exist to help people. it exists to bitch about people.
if being dysfunctional makes you an asshole to everyone around you, you need therapy
Re: da
(Anonymous) 2024-07-26 05:14 am (UTC)(link)No, I just feel bad for this specific person because of all people on the site they need to *stop* participating in the gossip feedback, because that's not contributing to their mental health. Not because I think they are correct, I just feel bad for people who are their own chief problem.
And also because there's a difference between documenting someone's unkind statements and documenting someone's mental spiral. As far as documenting any nastiness to other players, fire away.
Re: da
(Anonymous) 2024-07-26 12:16 pm (UTC)(link)No one on site can help. Unless they are getting a ton of PMs from people, I also haven't see anyone on site actually being mean to them, and if they cannot stop themselves from visiting drama blogs, then TwinFish (who is supposed to be the go to person for them) *needs* to step in and stop them from going on said sites.
This can also make other people feel worse (people who aren't even involved in any of it) because they know they can't do anything and they see someone who seems to be struggling and a 'victim' of harassment, and they don't know about the repeated nature of this behavior. Especially younger people who might also be struggling with their own problems and don't have the resources/experience to deal with them.
So, I do feel that documenting the both the unkind statements and the 'everyone hates me' flip side is helpful because it gives evidence for people to use in order to explain *why* AC is their own worst enemy.
Re: da
(Anonymous) 2024-07-26 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)normally i would agree. but this is AC. they do this constantly.
AC is an adult. AC makes the consistent choice to post these "mental spirals" in a public space that is easily connected to their online presence on a website where they are consistently unkind and constantly calling everyone around them bigots because they've been slightly inconvenienced. there is no doubt in my mind that AC is aware that people talk negatively about them as a result of their actions on FR. and they still continue to make the choice to publicly post all of their personal/mental issues.
again. AC is an adult. AC is almost middle aged. regardless of what issues you have, this behavior is completely inappropriate. especially when we're talking about a 13+ pet sim.
imo i think documenting these things is important, so people are aware this is something that AC does literally constantly. AC usually does this in response to people acting negatively to something that they said/did. complete armchair here but i truly believe a lot of this is done for sympathy farming from the few people that aren't aware this is a pattern of behavior.
Re: AstralCrescent
(Anonymous) 2024-07-26 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)Re: AstralCrescent
(Anonymous) 2024-07-26 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)I want to be clear here that I’m not excusing their behaviour and I don’t think the solution is just to let them act how they want to. Their attitude to other players, guilt trippy and otherwise, call-outs of staff, begging, spreading misinfo, etc are all Not Good. The fact that they’re visibly shame spiralling also comes across to me like an attention ploy and not a subtle one. One that is more suitable for young teenagers in middle school having their first friendship problems, and even there my advice to the middle schooler would be to Not Do That. It’s inappropriate to traumadump on people who didn’t consent to it, which is what’s going on here among many other things, and it’s unhelpful and unhealthy.
I feel sympathy for them because they clearly don’t have a good healthy coping system and/or are choosing to self-destruct. I don’t think the two feelings are mutually incompatible, or that being sympathetic means that AC should not experience the naturally consequences of their behaviour. Which is for people to block and keep blocking. If that means AC can’t participate in player-run activities and Dom, that is an appropriate consequence for not being able to be civil to their fellow players. The only way to “win” with this pattern of actions is to not interact.
I’ll also note that the only action on here I objected to was archiving their whole lair after the latest shame-spiral, because it felt excessive to archive the WHOLE lair as part of documentation. But I understand that not everyone agrees!
Re: AstralCrescent
(Anonymous) 2024-07-25 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)Not really relevant to anything going on here, but seeing them call Seboo22 a victim in that first screenshot is hilarious because Seboo22 was banned for being a straight up homophobe. Like, maybe they didn't know about that, but posting that as some sort of proof that staff are evil villains out to ruin everyone's fun or whatever is so funny.
Re: AstralCrescent
(Anonymous) 2024-07-25 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)