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An important update:

Due to a specific person being a complete child, comments are going to be screened by default.

This is only temporary, and I apologize for the inconvenience- this is going to be a pain in the ass for me, too, but multiple people have come forward about fears of doxxing, and this is the only way to make sure any doxxing is contained.

(This basically will force the doxxer to make a DW account to post any doxxing attempts unscreened, and will let me more reliably report them to DW staff/authorities.)

Again, I apologize, and will be working to unscreen comments as fast as possible, but I'm only one person.

(Vasemod has had some personal issues come up, so I am the only mod atm. Please bear with me until this bit of annoyance has passed.)

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Thanks!

and this is an issue because....?

nayrt

tbh I think you're reaching a bit and trying to find things to be upset about. I didn't read any passive aggressiveness in their post and thought it was interesting as someone who is fairly casual in dom & wouldn't know what to ask other flights about their dom culture.

This is nitpicky but: "do you think that people are incapable of realizing whether they are happy themselves?"

I'm literally in a spot where I don't know if I'm happy in my flight. I like it, my lore is based in it, but I want to do more in dom and don't know/am overwhelmed trying to figure out how to do that. I want a change of pace. I don't want to risk hating a new flight for 6 months until I can change again. It's complicated.

swear to god there's so much more misreading going on around here than there used to be

is it just me or has Reskin been down since boas came out? that's some real unfortunate timing

NAYRT

what's unfun for you is a treasure trove of information for someone else. literally none of this was unacceptable to say and is a thorough breakdown of things an experienced dom-focused player believes should be paid attention to when deciding flights based on dom participation. we literally came off the heels of fire flight's entire goddamn disaster, going through all of arcane vs. light battle's mess, and so much more that is making information like this so much more difficult to access from outside of the flights themselves. players are more anxious than ever before if their dom is really doing right by them, so this kind of guideline is genuinely beneficial as a starting point for the reader to think about and decide what parts of the guideline are applicable to the experience they want.

"Hope this is helpful in evaluating your flight and whether you're happy there" is literally wishing people well in deciding if their flight is the dom experience they really want. "Maybe you can even bring new ideas back to your home flight and make things better!" is also fantastic, because growth requires outside perspectives, which is the complete OPPOSITE of what you think it is; to let your flight just keep doing the exact same things over and over is what stagnation really is. no dom org is going to do everything word for word the same way, and throughout FR's entire existence, flights have adopted other flight's dom ideas and changed them to fit their needs. this is not a new concept!

throughout these paragraphs, they're not DOMINEERING the reader and forcing them to abide by their word, they're giving ADVICE for people who are WANTING to break into dom. whether that advice is unsolicited or extreme is up to the individual reader, not just you.

jesus christ what is with anons these days and fighting ghosts.

Hi, this is OP. I appreciate you taking the time to write all of this out. This is very thorough and has many things to think about, I can tell you've spent a lot of time researching and thinking about what makes Dom tick!

AYRT Haha wtf this is a completely wild response to my earnest attempt to offer advice.

I would say I want to avoid you with a ten foot pole as well but I think it's more likely than not that if we were having this conversation in person, or even in a not anonymous space, then we'd get along just fine so uhhh I'm just gonna step back and hope you do too cuz reading malice into innocuous posts on the internet is just not a fun way to live (seriously out of the whole thing you picked my "hope this helps" line? lol come on).

I'm in Arcane and while I don't plan on moving flights any time soon (pink galaxy aesthetic has a vice grip on me lmao), I do sorta wish our Dom stuff were better organized and active. I've only briefly participated in Dom but i kinda want to get into it more. But our flight pushes very rarely from what I've seen

Here's what I've gathered...

- In general, the folks that lead the team are very nice and happy to answer questions. They're really sweet people and I appreciate that about them!

- getting started for the first time was disorienting for me and in my experience, the guidelines and how-to-participate sections of some threads can be a bit vague. Reading through them in their entirety usually still requires follow up questions to understand them and participate correctly.

- As far as I know, artists who make banners, badges, etc for Dom related threads in Arcane do not get compensated (this does not include our art-for-fodder efforts. I just mean like the thread decor assets and Dom Badges and stuff). It's all considered a donation. I've heard other flights compensate their artists, but please correct me if I'm wrong? I myself am an artist and I've never participated in doing art for Arcane dom bc I don't work for free

- otherwise from what I've seen we rarely push so I tend to wonder if most arcanites just aren't motivated to join in and/or interested in Dom in general (not a bad thing! Just a thing)

- I also know that the ratio of inactive to active users probably does have some effect on our ability to place when pushing, due to being such a big fligjt, but I'm not a scientist so idk how much influence that really has. (I'm not one to shout "but the algorithm!!" every time we come last in Dom either lol, but figured it was worth mentioning)

- lastly (and the main reason I haven't participated more), it seems to me that the usual Dom participants in our flight are rather clique-y. I wanted to get involved to make friends and was met with a general sense of disinterest from the veterans and folks who do it slightly more often but then theyd all be super excited to talk to each other. I've also seen this happen to other Dom newbies while lurking. It was a bit like the friend groups had already formed and there wasn't much need for me to be there sooooooo I peaced out

And that's the sparkly space tea

da

+1. op anon spoke the truth and anon hated it. the list consist of pretty basic things and i personally found them useful, even as someone who kinda knows what the 'red flags' in dom org (or just any online community org in general) are.

also, saying that 'we're organized and friendly to newbies and we push hard when we want to!' is the equivalent of putting 'I love travel, music, and reading' in your Tinder profile is funny as fuck. so true bestie, so true.

Get your ass back on Twitter and stay there. God damn

lmfao calm the fuck down. These numbers ain't gonna do shit for arcane let's be real lmaoooo

Thanks so much for your comment! I feel very strongly about improving the dom scene because it's one of the biggest hobbies going on in my life rn and it's just such a unique thing (with a unique community) even compared to other games that exist.

The problems with Fire flight (and Lightning flight in ancient history lol) made it clear to me that people just don't know how other flights operate! And I didn't know either until I first switched. I was fine with my dom scene but when I switched to a stronger dom flight I realized they were operating on a completely different level. I would love to see people be more (constructively) critical of how their flights operate so the whole dom scene improves for everyone!

I really feel like since Earth's ascendance in 2018 (the first year they overtook Light for number of annual placements IIRC) the scene has become more stagnant... it's a tossup whether an upcoming battle is going to be a noflip or a decent competition, and battles are so expensive now that they don't happen often and it sucks to spend all that time and energy preparing for what turns out to be a noflip.

Apart from all these more tangible factors I listed, it's like dating: even if everything looks good on paper you still need to feel the right vibe from the other people there and gel with how they operate. This is why I encouraged people to take vacations. Six months is a long time but if you care about FR dom being a hobby in your life longterm I think it's worth taking the time to find a group you really like.

Agree with you 100%. None of what was said was new and shocking, but it was broken out and phrased in a really clear manner that makes it very easy to do a self/flight assessment. Thats often how you get from “there’s something not quite right here and I can’t put my finger on it” to “oh - X is working fine but Y and Z really suck”.

imho (retired dom organizer here), it's best to casually get started finding a few other people in your flight who enjoy dom the same way you do, or who already run activities you're interested in, and curate your dom experience that way. forum threads are great for orientation to the goals and objectives, but there's no real substitute for participation and for learning by doing.

one of the reasons i retired from dom is that even in the 'best organized' flights, it's still possible for cultures to shift and for individual team dynamics to no longer be a fit -- which is a separate reason altogether from quality of organization. my participation might have been more personally sustainable if i'd followed my own advice from the previous paragraph and made a bit more effort to curate my experience lol. while i enjoyed dom when i did it and still keep in touch with a few friends who are still active organizers, im personally very happily casual/uninvolved for now.

just you, it's been up and able to be used for previews without issue. Maybe you need a cookie clear?

Some of us are desperate for dom drama!

PART TWO

Alrighty, so these are more specific things that not all flights will necessarily have, but if a lot of these are missing, then your flight most likely has some room to improve. All flights have areas where they could improve their efficiency and try new things, but at this point most of the dom teams have the basics down and what really separates a great team from a good team is whether they're continuing to build programs that improve their operations. Maybe you can be the one in your flight to spearhead a new program??

Fundraisers - Obviously you need to keep the cash flow going to fund PBs, raffles, battles, and other fun stuff. Most flights will have at least a couple ongoing fundraisers with a couple new ones popping up every other month. Good signs include regular introduction of new fundraisers (it shows the orgs are trying new things and care about improving) and at least some fundraisers that raise at least 5 million treasure. (If most of the fundraisers make only say, 3 mil treasure or less there is a problem—some of the best fundraisers I've seen have easily hit over 15 mil so it's very doable).

Fodder Supply Chain - Buying fodder during a battle is expensive for the average FR player because they usually have to exalt at a loss (plus they might not have a lot of storage space for fodder). The dom bank should cover these losses (and make it easy and quick to find out how to do so), but there should ideally be some method of fodder distribution so that trainers can focus on training. Most flights could improve their internal exalting numbers and improving the fodder distribution system is a great way to help with this.

Attendant Support - Wrangling attendants is an often overlooked but critical part of dom competence. It's good to have as many people as possible in your flight who are comfortable attending. Even encouraging people to dip their feet in once briefly is great because it means they might be more willing to jump in in the heat of your next battle when all hands are needed on deck. They should be familiar with raffle recording too. During battles, OOFers can be fickle and may not send to the flight with fewer or slower attendants. It is also important to avoid burning out attendants, which happens when you have too few and they get too many floods. Orgs should always have an eye on recruiting more attendants and then making sure those people feel like they know what they're doing.

Quality Raffles - This is partially subjective (for example, some raffles are more UMA heavy than others) but there are some small clues that reveal how organized a raffle is. For example, how are the prizes organized? Does the sprite show up on the third post after the treasure genes? Is there good variety in the prizes? Are the prizes generous (to be frank, how much money was spent on putting on a good raffle)?

Organized Graphics - From what I've observed flights all have different ways of handling this. What matters most is that graphics are planned for ahead of time and are delivered on time and that a variety of artists contribute each time (to avoid burnout).

Calendar - It should be easy to find (on the forums, not Discord) some place where upcoming dom plans are listed. You should know where to find information on the next push. This helps with morale because it gives people something to look forward to. If you don't have an upcoming push (and you just finished one in the last month or two) then you are probably not in one of the more dom active flights.

Organized/Regular Communication - There should be a place in the forums where all the important dom info and links are gathered. Dom is a complex thing with many moving parts so it should be easy for even experienced members of your flight to find the threads/pinglists/contact info/whatever they need. In addition, there should be regular updates on what's going on in the flight's dom scene: are there new fundraisers? calls to help with something? a new poll for a push? Orgs should let flight members know what's going on even when there isn't a big conquest push or battle.

IF Raffles - This is another area where flights differ, but IF raffles should be generous and should happen at least some other time during the year than a flight's fest. This comes back to the question of what are a flight's orgs doing with the communal funds? It's a nice gesture to be generous to the flight's own members using the funds they all helped raise and one of the ways this happens is through IF raffles.

Polls - Orgs may decide to poll for different reasons but this is an important one, obviously. Even if it's not polls specifically there should be identifiable ways that orgs seek input from the flight (and not just the people in Discord) and then actually act on that input (because of course it's possible to get input and then just ignore it lol).

Diffusion of Power - Basically I mean that it should be clear how people can join the dom team (some teams require applications), or take on responsibility for a program. This is a little harder to judge sometimes but if the existing dom team seems reluctant to bring new people in or let new people help with fundraisers or take on other tasks where they're entrusted with even small amounts of communal resources, I would personally be suspicious. If a dom team requires applications there should be other ways flight members can get involved, otherwise you have a situation where the job requires 3-5 years of experience but there's no way to get that experience.

WITH BONUS:
Anything that allows newbies/casual players/players returning from a hiatus/players with fewer resources to get involved more easily is a good thing for not only the cold, hard numbers of a flight's dom program but also its morale. This includes not just fodder supply and clear communication but also stuff like:

Attending funds - Maybe it's not the case anymore but I have heard of flights where the bank doesn't readily provide funds for attending, or attendants have to front the cost. This obviously creates a barrier to entry in an area where you want as many people as possible.

Newbie program - This isn't strictly necessary but I have seen programs that send out welcome messages or assign mentors to newbies who want them, which is just a nice thing that helps people feel more invested in the community and comfortable asking questions.

Level 25 rental - Like with attending, you want as many people as possible familiar with training. The heat of the battle is not the optimal time for someone to learn how a Mire Flyer works. I have even seen programs that just give out free level 25s to people who don't have them, which seems like a great way to beef up that internal leveling.

Hibden/lair expansion assistance - One way to prepare for battles (and also just do something nice to help your flight members) is to help them expand their storage space. People are very generous on FR so these programs tend to do well from what I've seen.

Does anyone actually buy festival skin chests? I have an unreasonable number of them and keep being tempted to just open the things and be done with it.

People who want you to put the porks and fitchtorches down are dramatic?

Beatings of these two users will continue until morale improves

AYRT Thanks, I'm really glad I could help! I am for real passionate about dom and love talking about it.

FWIW I don't think artists should be paid (gasp!) because everyone else involved in dom is also contributing their labor, so it's a volunteer effort on everyone's part. It's great that people are so gung ho about making sure artists get paid and it's totally okay if artists don't want to participate without compensation, I just find it annoying when artists are singled out as people who should be paid. I don't even want to think about how many hours it must have taken to create some of the more complex dom spreadsheets...

Let's be honest though:

The folks who often do complex spreadsheets with variables, formulae, etc?

They do that shit for fun.

Source: I watched my partner create a spreadsheet that took them TWO MONTHS to finish, and they loved every minute of it.

Oh, of course! But I would imagine artists and dom orgs and attendants also do what they do for fun. It doesn't make sense for only artists to get paid in cash and not enjoyment. Imagine if you threw a birthday party and randomly paid only the person who volunteered to make a banner but not the person who baked the cake or set up chairs or whatever.

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