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An important update:

Due to a specific person being a complete child, comments are going to be screened by default.

This is only temporary, and I apologize for the inconvenience- this is going to be a pain in the ass for me, too, but multiple people have come forward about fears of doxxing, and this is the only way to make sure any doxxing is contained.

(This basically will force the doxxer to make a DW account to post any doxxing attempts unscreened, and will let me more reliably report them to DW staff/authorities.)

Again, I apologize, and will be working to unscreen comments as fast as possible, but I'm only one person.

(Vasemod has had some personal issues come up, so I am the only mod atm. Please bear with me until this bit of annoyance has passed.)

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NAYRT

what's unfun for you is a treasure trove of information for someone else. literally none of this was unacceptable to say and is a thorough breakdown of things an experienced dom-focused player believes should be paid attention to when deciding flights based on dom participation. we literally came off the heels of fire flight's entire goddamn disaster, going through all of arcane vs. light battle's mess, and so much more that is making information like this so much more difficult to access from outside of the flights themselves. players are more anxious than ever before if their dom is really doing right by them, so this kind of guideline is genuinely beneficial as a starting point for the reader to think about and decide what parts of the guideline are applicable to the experience they want.

"Hope this is helpful in evaluating your flight and whether you're happy there" is literally wishing people well in deciding if their flight is the dom experience they really want. "Maybe you can even bring new ideas back to your home flight and make things better!" is also fantastic, because growth requires outside perspectives, which is the complete OPPOSITE of what you think it is; to let your flight just keep doing the exact same things over and over is what stagnation really is. no dom org is going to do everything word for word the same way, and throughout FR's entire existence, flights have adopted other flight's dom ideas and changed them to fit their needs. this is not a new concept!

throughout these paragraphs, they're not DOMINEERING the reader and forcing them to abide by their word, they're giving ADVICE for people who are WANTING to break into dom. whether that advice is unsolicited or extreme is up to the individual reader, not just you.

jesus christ what is with anons these days and fighting ghosts.

I'm in Arcane and while I don't plan on moving flights any time soon (pink galaxy aesthetic has a vice grip on me lmao), I do sorta wish our Dom stuff were better organized and active. I've only briefly participated in Dom but i kinda want to get into it more. But our flight pushes very rarely from what I've seen

Here's what I've gathered...

- In general, the folks that lead the team are very nice and happy to answer questions. They're really sweet people and I appreciate that about them!

- getting started for the first time was disorienting for me and in my experience, the guidelines and how-to-participate sections of some threads can be a bit vague. Reading through them in their entirety usually still requires follow up questions to understand them and participate correctly.

- As far as I know, artists who make banners, badges, etc for Dom related threads in Arcane do not get compensated (this does not include our art-for-fodder efforts. I just mean like the thread decor assets and Dom Badges and stuff). It's all considered a donation. I've heard other flights compensate their artists, but please correct me if I'm wrong? I myself am an artist and I've never participated in doing art for Arcane dom bc I don't work for free

- otherwise from what I've seen we rarely push so I tend to wonder if most arcanites just aren't motivated to join in and/or interested in Dom in general (not a bad thing! Just a thing)

- I also know that the ratio of inactive to active users probably does have some effect on our ability to place when pushing, due to being such a big fligjt, but I'm not a scientist so idk how much influence that really has. (I'm not one to shout "but the algorithm!!" every time we come last in Dom either lol, but figured it was worth mentioning)

- lastly (and the main reason I haven't participated more), it seems to me that the usual Dom participants in our flight are rather clique-y. I wanted to get involved to make friends and was met with a general sense of disinterest from the veterans and folks who do it slightly more often but then theyd all be super excited to talk to each other. I've also seen this happen to other Dom newbies while lurking. It was a bit like the friend groups had already formed and there wasn't much need for me to be there sooooooo I peaced out

And that's the sparkly space tea

FWIW I don't think artists should be paid (gasp!) because everyone else involved in dom is also contributing their labor, so it's a volunteer effort on everyone's part. It's great that people are so gung ho about making sure artists get paid and it's totally okay if artists don't want to participate without compensation, I just find it annoying when artists are singled out as people who should be paid. I don't even want to think about how many hours it must have taken to create some of the more complex dom spreadsheets...

Let's be honest though:

The folks who often do complex spreadsheets with variables, formulae, etc?

They do that shit for fun.

Source: I watched my partner create a spreadsheet that took them TWO MONTHS to finish, and they loved every minute of it.

Oh, of course! But I would imagine artists and dom orgs and attendants also do what they do for fun. It doesn't make sense for only artists to get paid in cash and not enjoyment. Imagine if you threw a birthday party and randomly paid only the person who volunteered to make a banner but not the person who baked the cake or set up chairs or whatever.

AYRT

Oh, absolutely! My partner's school (they're a teacher) gave them a mug that had "Monster in the (spread)Sheets" on it because they're such an asset with their skills and they LOVED it- they don't often get recognition for doing what they do.

I will do a custom spreadsheet for myself when it’s for my own goals and enjoy it. If it’s for dom, I may still do it for free, but it’s just as much a donation to the vault as treasure and gems!

People who can make those terrify me in a good way

da

+1. op anon spoke the truth and anon hated it. the list consist of pretty basic things and i personally found them useful, even as someone who kinda knows what the 'red flags' in dom org (or just any online community org in general) are.

also, saying that 'we're organized and friendly to newbies and we push hard when we want to!' is the equivalent of putting 'I love travel, music, and reading' in your Tinder profile is funny as fuck. so true bestie, so true.

Thanks so much for your comment! I feel very strongly about improving the dom scene because it's one of the biggest hobbies going on in my life rn and it's just such a unique thing (with a unique community) even compared to other games that exist.

The problems with Fire flight (and Lightning flight in ancient history lol) made it clear to me that people just don't know how other flights operate! And I didn't know either until I first switched. I was fine with my dom scene but when I switched to a stronger dom flight I realized they were operating on a completely different level. I would love to see people be more (constructively) critical of how their flights operate so the whole dom scene improves for everyone!

I really feel like since Earth's ascendance in 2018 (the first year they overtook Light for number of annual placements IIRC) the scene has become more stagnant... it's a tossup whether an upcoming battle is going to be a noflip or a decent competition, and battles are so expensive now that they don't happen often and it sucks to spend all that time and energy preparing for what turns out to be a noflip.

Apart from all these more tangible factors I listed, it's like dating: even if everything looks good on paper you still need to feel the right vibe from the other people there and gel with how they operate. This is why I encouraged people to take vacations. Six months is a long time but if you care about FR dom being a hobby in your life longterm I think it's worth taking the time to find a group you really like.

Agree with you 100%. None of what was said was new and shocking, but it was broken out and phrased in a really clear manner that makes it very easy to do a self/flight assessment. Thats often how you get from “there’s something not quite right here and I can’t put my finger on it” to “oh - X is working fine but Y and Z really suck”.

imho (retired dom organizer here), it's best to casually get started finding a few other people in your flight who enjoy dom the same way you do, or who already run activities you're interested in, and curate your dom experience that way. forum threads are great for orientation to the goals and objectives, but there's no real substitute for participation and for learning by doing.

one of the reasons i retired from dom is that even in the 'best organized' flights, it's still possible for cultures to shift and for individual team dynamics to no longer be a fit -- which is a separate reason altogether from quality of organization. my participation might have been more personally sustainable if i'd followed my own advice from the previous paragraph and made a bit more effort to curate my experience lol. while i enjoyed dom when i did it and still keep in touch with a few friends who are still active organizers, im personally very happily casual/uninvolved for now.

AYRT

i think that's also a great way to do that and probably the most ideal way for a vast majority of users, but personally while i'm very good at team-based communication and thoroughly encourage it, socializing is insanely taxing on my mental health and the less interaction i have with others the better. because of this, lists like the one that was shared is immensely valuable information, as it allows me to make up for my lack of socializing by doing the thing i do best: personal, detail-heavy research.

it fits specific niches of users who play solo and might not want to converse with others, those who prefer to do deep investigation before acting, or even players who come from other games with similar systems who want to dive headfirst into dom. it gives a structured idea of concepts that might be important to you and what to look out for, but enough room for you to do your own thinking and come to your own conclusion.

agreed -- particularly if the intent is to get started in dom without proceeding into an organizational capacity. my comments apply more to anyone considering becoming an organizer, themselves. i ran a few popular in-flight programs without interaction or support from my flight's team for about a year before getting a surprise invite lol.

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