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An important update:

Due to a specific person being a complete child, comments are going to be screened by default.

This is only temporary, and I apologize for the inconvenience- this is going to be a pain in the ass for me, too, but multiple people have come forward about fears of doxxing, and this is the only way to make sure any doxxing is contained.

(This basically will force the doxxer to make a DW account to post any doxxing attempts unscreened, and will let me more reliably report them to DW staff/authorities.)

Again, I apologize, and will be working to unscreen comments as fast as possible, but I'm only one person.

(Vasemod has had some personal issues come up, so I am the only mod atm. Please bear with me until this bit of annoyance has passed.)

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I saw the update and thought wow, when the staff implements long-begged-for suggestions, they go hard, people are going to be thrilled! I was very surprised to see the backlash in the thread comments and here - genuinely didn't occur to me that manual mass pings would still be needed now that we have this. But from reading some of it, I see y'all's point, particularly the lack of editability/usability of a list across multiple users/managers. (My own use of pinglists has always been simple and personal, and I detest google sheets, so just for my own purposes this seemed like a dream come true.)

Possible fix: they're offering customization when it comes to whether you want to be pinged manually and whether you want to be pinged through on-site-created pinglists. Why not designate posts with mass manual pings as a separate Thing (obviously this can be detected, or it wouldn't be possible to cap them), and allow people to opt out of being pinged to such posts? That would take care of harassment worries, I'd think.

I can't believe Neopets is still around.

i’m angry because a site feature/community i care deeply about is going to be extremely impacted by this change. i’ll come out and say that i’m concerned for skins and accents, and skins are the main reason i’ve kept interest in this game. the idea that gasp could become obsolete is harmful to so many people, artists and collectors. and i believe this will have a wider impact than they’ve anticipated.

a ten skin bundle is the lowest cost per skin, but it is a 5000g investment. many players can’t make that investment up-front. those users rely on gasp for both exposure and the ability to make the skin. the engagement that gasp gives is impossible to replicate on the forums naturally, and it can be difficult even for artists that have ‘big’ pinglists to fill entire runs because skin and accent collecting is expensive.

even though this part of the site is robust, it’s still a small percentage of users overall, so it genuinely wouldn’t make sense for staff to use resources recreating this simple and effective system of advertising. as another anon pointed out, it would likely come with its own set of challenges to moderate if they *did* implement it on site. and this is only one community that relies on pinglists for advertising sales and finding items/dragons/whatever they specifically desire. these are systems that have had *years* for trial and error, and anything that replaces them is going to have kinks that will harm the economy while they’re worked out.

i don’t think we have a dappervolk or lorwolf on our hands, but it cannot be overstated that economic impacts will be very much felt as a result of this decision.

I'm not sure if this is an old thing or it got added in this update, but in your account settings, there are ticks for disabling both regular pings and pinglist pings. Not sure how complicated it would be to implement that for individual posts, though.

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I get that it's "natural" for people to move to platforms that are more convenient and modern and whatnot, but when its happening to basically replace the forums of a pre-existing site, that only leads to more trouble for users. Especially since we already know staff can't do shit for off-site transgressions.

Ha. Maybe wait for 15 more years anon.

ayrt

My suggestion is a third tick - enable/disable mass pings. So if someone had that disabled, and they were pinged to a post with 12+ users pinged, they wouldn't receive that ping.

do you think staff can make their own gasp? how will that work? how could they possibly replace the g1 pinglist, the special id pinglist, the oldies pinglist, the two letter name pinglist… how could they do that? i am genuinely asking. it’s a major blind spot. and if someone thinks this will be a negligible change, i invite them to explain how. yes, staff plans to address the needs of the community. but those of us who are invested in any community that uses pinglists are telling you that it will be incredibly difficult for staff to satisfactorily resolve this with on-site alternatives to very complex tools-critically important tools that aren’t going to be important to every user.

Neopets is 24 years old and has like 30 times the amount of items FR has, keep on waiting

The only people "screaming" I've seen were those that complain about some mysterious other people "screaming".

I'm also having serious doubts that an update can be called "QoL" when it isn't even compatible with dominance, an integral and official site activity that involves multiple people possibly pinging multiple other people when the official "pinglist" allows only one person to ping, never mind the lack of compatibility with anything else.

Everyone is being so dramatic about this that it borders on parody. I've seen people prematurely declaring that they'll never do public skin sales again. Whoever FR has as their project manager royally fucked up not getting user feedback at any earlier stage, and it's very evident that they fucked up, but it's to see people keep insisting that the site simply wants communities to die and would never listen to their feedback.

I really want to know what the development process looks like because it's incredibly obvious that they've had absolutely no user feedback at any stage of this process and it's leading to a lot of grief and dramatics. Had they sent even 1% of the active userbase on high-traffic forums for this (like Dragon Sales, Auctions, and Skins & Accents) a Surveymonkey survey before they started delving into it, they'd hardly be facing any of these incredibly foreseeable issues as sudden problems. Who is managing these projects???

I think what would fix the issue with massive pinglists would be a content-based block function for the forums.

Then things like GASP and the G1 lists could be done as forum threads with mandatory, thread-specific keywords that posters would have to include and subscribers could block at will.

Honestly, it just seems rushed because I guess the harassment via self-editable pinglists got pretty out of hand that the devs felt like they had to push it out ASAP, as barebones as it is right now.

i didnt realize that pogo = pokemon go for a solid second even though that is Obviously what you were talking about so i genuinely thought "wow youre into pogo sticks? thats swag"

"it's incredibly obvious that they've had absolutely no user feedback at any stage of this process"

Did they even have Dev feedback at any point? You can't delete pinglists you create. You know, one of the easiest things to assume people are going to want to do?

Wow, I didn't know there is a limit. I've spent US$410 on FR in the last 30 days, so I'm guessing it's $1000?

I suppose that's a component of it, but even a minute of interaction with players that use these pinglists on a daily basis to begin with would have saved them a huge headache. And I'm sure the harassment made them speed it up, but it's a feature they've been intending to bring on-site regardless of it anyway, isn't it?

It makes me think about how all of their feature development is done without any user feedback at fundamental stages and how the initial release simply becomes the first user testing instead. It leads to unnecessary stress on part of the headless chicken masses whenever any change comes out and it means that even basic features any user would have thought of (like the ability to have multiple managers of a list, the ability to allow permission tiers for others to ping your created list) are met with a great big "huh" because they hadn't thought the basics through.

god man, i wish i weren't so damn disabled. i'd be so into pogo sticks and unicycles you have no idea. so for now i gotta stick to pokemon GO (but at least i have two more shinies i can add to my living dex today.)

op here. did some calculating and just to satiate anyones curiostiy the limit in a 30 day span is $3000USD. you may point and laugh now. i also wanted to share this so that you can keep a lookout for users who suddenly get a ton of gems claiming they got them all at once. this could help us sniff out RMT potentially if thats something you care for

I really think it’s funny that staff goes so far out of their way to insist that multi accounting has the potential to throw off the economy when users who have g1 imps and weird lineages that no one cares about selling for thousands of gems for every hatch. These are the people who are skewing the economy, your Alyxses, your Bools, etc. Not to mention people who RMT and go un-caught.

I don’t condone multi-ing, but I fail to see how doing your dailies between multiple accounts and benefitting one would even come close to skewing the economy the way some of these users do. I’m not accusing anyone I mentioned of RMT or multi accounting but it’s just funny to me that staff chooses to focus on it so hard as a source of unfair play when these things still exist.

And no I don’t want to bring up the KS exclusive discourse again. Being a backer is not the issue, I’m glad they got what they paid for and I don’t expect that to be handed out to anyone. It’s just frustrating as someone who has been trying for ages to get bites on sales and play the game legitimately. You can make 1mil treasure in 5 days if all you are doing is fairgrounds and a bit of coli each day which is great, but I really think we need an increased fairgrounds cap or something.

Anyways, I’m rambling now but I’m just frustrated with pixel economics.

Neopets is rereleasing retired items... maybe I will have to wander back over and see... I have only been collecting interest

honestly with how some of FR users handle changes, I think even if they were just doing a 'theoretical, this is how we would like to move forward' post, they would still get these same types of posts.

I do know that site side pinglists is something that has been brought up in the suggestions forum before, and something that many people want, but I don't recall very many, if any, people bringing up things like GASP.

That might be why the developers didn't send out surveys, because they already had feedback on what people wanted, through the suggestions forum, but none of the concerns about how complicated some of the *big* pinglists are were ever really addressed.

... Damn. How much is too much? Inquiring minds want to know.

YTA, however, most flights have programs for stuff like that to keep fodder from going outflight. Ask around your flight to see what programs exist.

Also, that's a great way to get the attendants you use to block you once caught to stop it, and most don't bother to clear sleazeball breaking the rules blocks.

If they did this, it's much larger than 1 user getting added to lists. This is mass harassment.

I just wish people would understand that. This feels like emergency implementation. And unlike some things, they asked feedback before cutting things off.

Remember the link forwards change?

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