anonrerising | Damnit, Arcanist

Then don't do it? I'm sorry if I'm missing something, but I'm really confused why you're so upset about this - the various achievements aren't required.

I have to completely agree.

I took a quick look through the achievements, and there are probably some I will never get. The progen one is most likely going to be one of them. Potentially exalting any dragon at all. Probably the one where I have to go from 0 to 50 energy by feeding them manually (I don't let my dragons get that low)

Any of the ones for like 250 dragons or more.

Or how about this one:
When XYZ Meets 123
Hatch a dragon (either from a nest or unhatched egg item) exhibiting primary, secondary, and tertiary gene colors that are directly consecutive on the color wheel

A lot of the battle ones I will probably not do (especially against bosses because I hate fighting bosses, unless Yetis are included as 'bosses')

There are a few more that I am unlikely to never get because I am not interested in those activities etc...

So, having one about exalting a progen and then unexalting it is really not that big of a deal

Honestly the 0 to 50 energy one is really easy if there's someone listing starving fodder.

As annoying as it is to trip over starvers when you're buying fodder, it's probably equally difficult to find them when you're actively looking for them. (Although, I haven't checked, but I'm going to guess there are at least a few enterprising folks direct-selling their unwanted starved dragons on the forums.)

It's not a problem for me personally - I've got a couple permas who always go hungry since I don't usually convert their obligate food type - but the site-encouraged habit would seem to be, as many players do, using the feed-all action whenever there's a tickdown, which you'd need to suspend for quite a while to get this achievement naturally.

Yeah, I haven't checked either, and I realized I could buy starving fodder. It was just another example of an achievement that will likely go un-claimed for a very long time/forever.

Yeah, I just am picky about the dragons I buy because I get attached super easy, and find exalting and reselling hard (I have a hibden tab full of 'gen1s I am not sure I want' that I really should sell, but when I look at them I go 'hmmm, this one isn't bad, maybe I can find something that will work' even if they are the ugliest XYZ to ever XYZ on site, agreed upon by every single person on site....)

Ah yes. The "it's not a big deal to me, so it must not be a big deal to anyone else" argument.

I get that some people just really don't care if they are missing achievements. And that's cool. Must be nice for you. I'll just be over here with the other obsessive completionists who are irritated by it.

then complete it if you're so fixated on it? they're achievements, they're not all meant to be easy

bruh it took me like 3 minutes to take a screenshot of my dragon and her apparel, put her bio in a notepad just in case, take it all off, exalt her, bring her back, and dress her again

this is not a case of "it's not a big deal to me, so it must not be a big deal to anyone else". this is a case of "maybe its a big deal for you, but it also takes less than a couple of minutes to get the achievement and your 'obsessive completionist' self will be satisfied"

i would be more sympathetic to you if the achievement was like. "dont unexalt your progen for a year" but this is three fucking minutes

Sure, but that sounds like a "you" problem, not a "that achievement is fucking stupid and shows the devs dont even remotely play their own game" problem or a "Am I really the only one thinking that is fucking stupid and should not be an achievement?" problem?

For whatever it's worth, they are indeed not the only one who thinks that.

Yes, many achievements are much more difficult, time-comsuming, expensive, or even purely luck-based. (Looking at you, ten-correct-higher/lower-answers-in-a-row. Five-egg nests. Etc.)

But the point is that all of those things are normal, positive, encouraged site behavior. They're all with an eye towards 'winning' the game, if you like.

Progen restore (and, imo worse, 3-month-cooldown-triggering dragon restore) are not positive and not things any player really 'hopes' to 'achieve'. They're meant to be emergency buttons to rescue you from a bad situation (accidental or regretted exalts). The fact that we're being encouraged to use that function unnecessarily, as a lark to get an achievement, feels weird.

(Is there an achievement for the whole 'go idle for three months and get your dragons automatically fed back up when you return' thing? I haven't searched exhaustively, but my guess would be no. Because of course the devs don't want you to need to use that feature. And I don't understand why exalt restore is different.)

I suspect that they're using these as a way to teach people how to use various site functions, because the tutorial is shit and these functions are explained in announcment threads throughout the years instead of on one place and some are barely noticable - like people not knowing about select feeding, restoring dragons and/or items, dragon profile vistas...

Exalting and restoring lv25s after is pretty common for dom battles. One battle in two years occassion that isn't riddles with regret exalts perhaps. >>;

+1

achievements only being for positive things is not really accurate, though. theres acheievements for getting wrong answers on games like higher/lower, getting killed in the coli, missing 3 attacks in the coli, etc. achievements are given for certain mundane or special activities that occur while you play the game, its not inherently about the "winning" milestones.

also progen restore isnt inherently bad or good. its just a feature added so that people can get them back if they exalted them, either accidentally or years ago. i truly struggle to understand why this is considered some kind of bad thing to need to do, its literally set up to be as easy as possible to restore them. yes i understand that there may be moral associations with exaltation, but its a game mechanic as is the progen restore system, and as part of /the game/ fr admins will want to direct users to play with it

Yeah, there is an achievement for getting all 10 Tomo Answers wrong. I saw the one about having all three dragons KOed in the coli, though I missed the one about Higher/lower (that one would be super easy for me :P)

So, yeah, not all achievements are 'positive'.

Exalting is part of the game. Dragon restoration is part of the game. Achievements are little 'awards' for playing the game, which includes exalting and restoring dragons.

SA

Also, I highly doubt that FR means for you to exalt and restore dragons 'as a lark' but rather, again, those achievements are meant to be achieved during normal play of the game. It is just like the old 'hatch a dragon with Clown' achievements, where I had to buy two dragons specifically for that, because I hate clown. For many people, that would have been something they obtained during normal gameplay, but since I didn't like clown, I had to go out of my way to obtain that one.

This is the same. For a lot of people, exalting and restoring dragons is just something that will happen during normal gameplay. Maybe not often, but I am sure that most people who exalt dragons, especially large amounts of them, will eventually have one they regret exalting and restore it. Achievement done. Many people exalt their progens, then come to regret it. (thus the whole 'you can send a ticket in and have your progens unexalted' and the whole 'you can exalt/unexalt your progens as many times as you want!') Thus, again, achievement done during normal gameplay for those people.

For people like me, who isn't into exalting (yet, going to try) and has never exalted her progens? To get that achievement, I am going to have to go out of my way to obtain it.

sidebar: it turns out that the dragon KO achieve triggers off your entire TEAM being KO'ed; it doesn't have to be a 3-dragon team.

source: accidentally got it while working on the "win 10 battles with a team of just one level 1 dragon" achieve.

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DA
Not only specifically to this comment, but in general to this thread: everyone complaining or white-knighting those that complain, do you all really have no better things to do on FR but make an Everest out of less than 5 minute non-mandatory achievement of exalting/restoring a progen, a thing that a lot of players do with their unfortunately colored random progens? Even for a drama site, this is pathetic, especially the attempt in the higher comment to turn that into 'negative behaviour' (what the fuck).

My random progen actually came out with pretty colors.

I don't have a problem with exalting. Exalting is my main source of FR income. But I've never exalted my progens and I don't particularly want to. Seems like there are at least a couple of people here who feel that way. I don't think exalting progens is negative behavior, it's just not something that I would have ever done on my own and I resent having to do it. Am I going to do it? Yeah. At some point. Probably around the time I've bred 3000 fucking ancient dragons.

I find it kind of amusing that you are taking time out of your day to comment on people not having better things to do than bitch about an achievement.

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If you are irritated by something that will take at most about 15 minutes (maybe a bit more with lousy internet), but not about

>>You Look Familiar (250)
Pair familiars to 250 dragons in your clan at the same time<<

Which requires you to actually have 250 dragons at the same time

>>Special Eyes (Primal)
Hatch a dragon with the Primal eye type<<

Which could take years to do, especially for people who don't breed a lot

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Ancient Hatch Batch (2500)
Hatch 2500 total Ancient dragons<<

Not everyone likes ancients, so this could also take quite a long time

>>
Rainy Day Fund (10000000)
Store 10000000 total treasure in your Vault<<

That is 10 million treasure. That you need to have on hand at once.

Or any of the Glimmer and Gloom ones, when some people cannot literally do G&G, the battle ones where people cannot coli,

Then I don't really know what to tell you.

Yes, I understand the bit about it being anxiety inducing, I have times like that, where no matter what I know, and what I tell my brain, it goes ANXIETY! But, if you are a completionist, and am fine with getting every single other achievement, even if it could take literal years, then why aren't you fine with taking 30 minutes to exalt and unexalt one of your progens? (this is also assuming that you will ever be able to actually 'complete' achievements, since they could very well keep adding new achievements to them)

That is why I don't understand the 'big deal', because there are other achievements that will absolutely be nearly impossible for some people, literally impossible for others, and I am sure at least one of those people is also an 'obsessive completionist' who would love to have those achievements completed but they cannot physically do them.

I can understand the issue with the non-progen dragon and setting yourself on cooldown for 3 months (it is three months?) not being optimal. But as far as I know, the progen doesn't have any sort of cooldown and you can save everything about the dragon elsewhere (though I do wish we had the suggestion about being able to create an outfit in the dressing room and then being able to apply whatever you have in your hoard from that outfit to the dragon by a single click of a button) and then just get it done.

For manual feeding, I bought hungry fodder, so that's something.
As for 123, I might look into finding some fodd breeders in grayscale, blues or pastel, those are pretty common.

Breeding 5k ancients tho...ugh

AYRT

Yeah, for me, the whole 123 thing is just about having to actually look at what colors are consecutive and then trying to buy two unrelated that will give me exactly what I want (and remembering to breed them)

But, since these don't have to be done *now* I will look into completing the other easier achievements first (and wait for the hype to die down so that some of the prices for things go down). Thinking of trying to get back into coli'ing for those achievements....

yeah, its pretty clear to me that these achievements were designed with a timescale in mind. there's the super easy "play tidal trouble" style achievements that can be achieved within a few minutes/hours, but then once those easy ones are done there needs to be more challenging stuff. the 123 xyz and "breed x ancients" one speaks to this - i like that there's achievements that will require months if not years of planning and gameplay to get. keeps the system feeling fresh and makes you approach the game in a new way.

although i was thinking that if someone really whaled and bought thousands of boons of fertility, they could get those breeding based achievements in a day or so by buying tons of non-BCD fodder adults, booning them, then mass exalting all the hatchlings and repeating until they get the achievement. but it would probably cost around a million gems in boons to get both the modern and ancient breeding achievements

Yeah, I am the one who brought up the 123 thing, and to be clear, I am not upset that those achievements exist (just incase it could be mistaken that I was).

I also agree, I saw someone bring up exalting dragons and about no-exalt lairs on SMR, and my first thought was immediately 'did you honestly think they wouldn't have an achievement for a huge part of the game?' As a non-exalting lair myself, I fully expected there to be exalting achievements and I am glad to see that there are.

I also agree that there should be super easy achievements as well as achievements meant to be obtained further down the road, with or without planning.

I also agree with someone on SMR about it really seems like a lot of people do not play any other games like FR, or any other games at all, with how a lot of people complain about normal and common mechanics (such as achievements taking a long time, or the MP restocking, or even just having things that take longer than a few days to obtain).

A common theme with those that whine a lot about those things are that they mostly want instant gratification imo. Honestly they're most likely really annoying individuals I don't want to mingle with.

FR's achievement system as it is right now isn't any different from a lot of other game's. Hell, I'd say they're even generous as a lot of them don't even give rewards.

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