anonrerising | Spoopy Time!!

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If people don't want to get shit on or banned for intentionally hoarding retired items only to make themselves over three times the normal amount, they shouldn't do it. It's really not that hard. Beginning to think that you must also have a vested interest in the light sprite economy or some other retired item you're hoping to inflate. Nothing else can explain how obtuse you are in not understanding what people are mad about and asking staff to help prevent.

ayrt

yea yea the "you must be exactly like the person you're defending" argument, whatever helps you sleep.

I simply don't agree with the scenario that the staff of a pet game should get to release a limited item, and then ban players who try to benefit from the fact that it's limited, whether or not those players are insufferable pricks. Staff should not get to exert their control in such ways. They control item rarities which is good and fine, but the moment they start policing player market activity like that is where they've failed.

ayrt

It's so crazy you don't see the difference between:

a. Retired items will naturally be more expensive depending on multiple factors. Rarity, popularity etc. Players will sell these items at naturally higher rates and these rates will increase as years go by and more players hold on to these retired items. People will also naturally rediscover FR, sell their retired items, or may decide to transition away from FR and sell their retired items.

and

b. A single player looks at the healthy market of a retired item, steadily increasing over the years. They buy huge amounts of this item and reset the market price to three times the previous amount. They refuse to sell the item for less than their new rate, and continue to buy any listings that are below theirs.

Now not only are fewer sprites being traded, a large portion of them are controlled by a single person. The price cannot naturally fluctuate as there are less sellers in the market, and people are unwilling to pay the new x3 price. This market is effectively dead because *one* person has such huge control.

Allowing that behavior does not make for a fun or healthy game. You keep saying you have no idea of games that have rules against this, so maybe you should stay in your lane. There are clearly multiple anons here that have experienced this type of behavior ruining games and recognize this behavior as something that should be cracked down on.

Thank you for putting it better than I ever could LOL

ayrt

weird for you to assume that I can't see the difference? I'm defending both scenarios. I'm defending scenario B because that kind of thing can't happen unless there's an opportunity for it. And that kind of opportunity can only ever be created through staff choices.

What does "healthy market" even mean here? What does "natural" mean?? Does a market that's controlled by bans sound natural to you? Has the light sprite market ever looked healthy to anyone, even before Elisabluh?? This scenario is enabled by the sprite being retired, desirable and in extremely low supply. That decision was made by staff; they retired it despite the low player numbers and too many server issues back when it was available. The fact that one user can even do this without much competition just speaks loudly of the sheer, alarming shortage of light sprites in comparison to how many people want them. Even if Elisabluh suddenly listed all their sprites at 70kg each, the core issue would remain.

And at this point I'm genuinely begging you to name any game. Neopets is one, okay cool! Anything else? I genuinely want to know and hear about how their economies and playerbases are faring with these rules and bans. I want to hear your stories about artificial inflation ruining games. Please tell me I am desperate.

you've really got the same tone as elisabluh lol, if you're not her this is wild.

DA - You really just keep coming back and acting just like Elisabluh, do you think you posting is doing anything? Do you think coming on here and being a knight in shining armor for a scumbag will get you any points with anyone? What is your purpose other than acting like the person in question and being obtuse? Genuinely cannot understand why you'd come here to a salt space and then complain about complaints (I mean what do you expect in a drama space for a pet site? cmon, be real) and then say people are feeling way too vitriol about the whole thing? People are allowed to complain. You clearly have no intention of having a discussion or intend to try to see things from other points of view even though you keep asking for it.

My advice is just stop replying, you are making things worse for yourself and honestly I find it hard to believe you aren't EB even if you say it 100x that you're not.

If she did that, the market would be reset to what it was before she started, and it would be a reasonable goal again. You could save for it over time and not start saving just to see the price rose 50k gems when you get to your goal.

A normal retired item goes up and down with demand. Not up only like light sprites. The core of this problem isn't retired items. It's how a player is acting with those items.

Look at all other retired items. Even kickstarter ones rise and have fallen to lack of demand. There are likely less of those left after years of bans and kickstarter players choosing to go inactive with them.

ayrt

"I'm defending scenario B because that kind of thing can't happen unless there's an opportunity for it."

You're so close!!!!

That's why people want rules against it. Then that opportunity can no longer happen! <3 It's like saying that you can't make rules against bullying people on site without it being staff's fault for allowing people to communicate in the first place. You have some interesting brainrot for not being Elisabluh.

ayrt

you seem committed to misunderstanding me but alright. I'll say it again. I Don't Think It's Good To Have A Price-Controlling Rule On A Player-Run Economy That Gets Players Banned. ESPECIALLY since there is a much better, less hostile solution right in front of us: Simply Re-Release The Light Sprite and other retired festival items. No one has to get banned, no one has to feel powerless when looking at extremely inflated prices. Why you wouldn't want the more peaceful option is beyond me but something tells me that this isn't so much about the light sprite itself as it is about wanting to see Elisabluh kicked off the site for your entertainment.

da

"SomEtHIng TELlS mE that tHIS iSN't SO mUCh abOuT thE LIgHT SPrite itSElF As IT Is abOUT waNtInG TO sEE ELIsAbLUh kIcKed oFF THE SiTE fOR yOUR EnTeRtainmEnt"

Bro, have you read anything? Feels like talking to a brick wall just reading your comments💀 Maybe some want Elisabluh banned but I think most just want the items rereleased???

sa

adding on, I think most want the items rereleased partially to fuck Elisabluh over too so if they are still around, all the better

ayrt

why is everyone arguing with me then. I agree with re-releasing the items and I have been saying that repeatedly. Maybe they're bored and have to take their anger out somewhere

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nayrt

out of curiosity why is it such an issue if someone is banned who is malicious to the community = )

ayrt

if they're a malicious person and breaking rules by treating others on-site with malice? no issue. If they're being interpreted as malicious because they're doing something people don't like but are well within their right to do, and taking on an annoying attitude but ultimately not targeting anyone or breaking rules, there's a problem.

ayrt

I don't have an issue with them making Y1 items more obtainable. But they should also prevent people from maliciously manipulating the market. Hope that helps!!

ok elisabluh. you'll get less heat if you just keep quiet btw

da, LMAO I love your reply. Honestly agree with everything you've said thus far, you explain things that I can't quite put into words

Why am I getting libertarian vibes from this

coming in with the irl comparisons again I see

Sorry for having pattern recognition

so you see the face of a dog in a wooden plank and think it's a real living dog?

I'm sorry but becoming too comfortable just assuming things about people on the internet isn't gonna get you anywhere. need I remind you this conversation is about a pixel dragon game with a fake economy

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"Sorry for having pattern recognition"... isn't that something Elisabluh said on the now-deleted thread. LMFAO

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DA, See the way you're replying to people doesn't help your case any more than Elisabluh replying to every goddamn instance someone brings up a light sprite or y1 items in jox.

If you think that someone should be able to hoard something, act like a prick, and then never face consequences, that's on you my friend. I disagree that it would be a failure for staff to rerelease an item to curb the market skyrocketing in price. The current price is already out of control and people wanting this item to be put in a jox box will probably not make it any less valuable or desirable, it would just make it a sliver of a chance for people to pull one. Take the luminous halo for example, those bitches are still expensive and are in jox. It will just give players more hope that they too can someday own one if they get lucky. Currently new players have very little hope to ever own such an item unless they save religiously for it. I understand that isn't a terrible thing, saving in games teaches patience and is something people need to learn in the real world as well. What I have a problem with is saving what is hundreds of dollars worth of gems for 1 item that someone decided to hoard and purposefully increased the market price of. Then said person acts all high and mighty and clueless about it at the same time. And lastly, they shame people who try to haggle with them so tell me that something shouldn't be done about this situation by staff themselves and I wholeheartedly disagree with you.

It is their game. Your "staff should not get to exert control of their game" claim is kind of ridiculous. By that, it could be argued that having rules against anything is a failing.