weird for you to assume that I can't see the difference? I'm defending both scenarios. I'm defending scenario B because that kind of thing can't happen unless there's an opportunity for it. And that kind of opportunity can only ever be created through staff choices.
What does "healthy market" even mean here? What does "natural" mean?? Does a market that's controlled by bans sound natural to you? Has the light sprite market ever looked healthy to anyone, even before Elisabluh?? This scenario is enabled by the sprite being retired, desirable and in extremely low supply. That decision was made by staff; they retired it despite the low player numbers and too many server issues back when it was available. The fact that one user can even do this without much competition just speaks loudly of the sheer, alarming shortage of light sprites in comparison to how many people want them. Even if Elisabluh suddenly listed all their sprites at 70kg each, the core issue would remain.
And at this point I'm genuinely begging you to name any game. Neopets is one, okay cool! Anything else? I genuinely want to know and hear about how their economies and playerbases are faring with these rules and bans. I want to hear your stories about artificial inflation ruining games. Please tell me I am desperate.
DA - You really just keep coming back and acting just like Elisabluh, do you think you posting is doing anything? Do you think coming on here and being a knight in shining armor for a scumbag will get you any points with anyone? What is your purpose other than acting like the person in question and being obtuse? Genuinely cannot understand why you'd come here to a salt space and then complain about complaints (I mean what do you expect in a drama space for a pet site? cmon, be real) and then say people are feeling way too vitriol about the whole thing? People are allowed to complain. You clearly have no intention of having a discussion or intend to try to see things from other points of view even though you keep asking for it.
My advice is just stop replying, you are making things worse for yourself and honestly I find it hard to believe you aren't EB even if you say it 100x that you're not.
If she did that, the market would be reset to what it was before she started, and it would be a reasonable goal again. You could save for it over time and not start saving just to see the price rose 50k gems when you get to your goal.
A normal retired item goes up and down with demand. Not up only like light sprites. The core of this problem isn't retired items. It's how a player is acting with those items.
Look at all other retired items. Even kickstarter ones rise and have fallen to lack of demand. There are likely less of those left after years of bans and kickstarter players choosing to go inactive with them.
"I'm defending scenario B because that kind of thing can't happen unless there's an opportunity for it."
You're so close!!!!
That's why people want rules against it. Then that opportunity can no longer happen! <3 It's like saying that you can't make rules against bullying people on site without it being staff's fault for allowing people to communicate in the first place. You have some interesting brainrot for not being Elisabluh.
you seem committed to misunderstanding me but alright. I'll say it again. I Don't Think It's Good To Have A Price-Controlling Rule On A Player-Run Economy That Gets Players Banned. ESPECIALLY since there is a much better, less hostile solution right in front of us: Simply Re-Release The Light Sprite and other retired festival items. No one has to get banned, no one has to feel powerless when looking at extremely inflated prices. Why you wouldn't want the more peaceful option is beyond me but something tells me that this isn't so much about the light sprite itself as it is about wanting to see Elisabluh kicked off the site for your entertainment.
"SomEtHIng TELlS mE that tHIS iSN't SO mUCh abOuT thE LIgHT SPrite itSElF As IT Is abOUT waNtInG TO sEE ELIsAbLUh kIcKed oFF THE SiTE fOR yOUR EnTeRtainmEnt"
Bro, have you read anything? Feels like talking to a brick wall just reading your commentsđź’€ Maybe some want Elisabluh banned but I think most just want the items rereleased???
why is everyone arguing with me then. I agree with re-releasing the items and I have been saying that repeatedly. Maybe they're bored and have to take their anger out somewhere
People probably keep arguing with you because you keep replying, if you are tired of it then perhaps it would be best to take a step back for your sake. Arguing on behalf of someone who won't even thank you is probably not good for your mental health anyways.
eh, it's not a huge deal. I defend people not because I want or need their gratitude, but because I think salt spaces (and the on-site forums!!) have a tendency to go way overboard just... condemning people. For things that it's understandable to be mad about but are inconsequential in the grand scheme of things and shouldn't spark this kind of vitriol and public callouts. I'm not even here to try change everyone's minds, I just want to put my point out here so that this whole thing wouldn't remain a one-sided circlejerk. I don't mind explaining myself further.
Disliking someone and finding more and more reasons to do so to the point where you want them kicked out or made to suffer, even if the subject is literally just some pixel item, is like an internet sport. Most of the time I don't even say anything. But this particular case is so wildly, wildly blown out of proportion. Like I said before. Some of you really need to reign in your feelings about this little golden gremlin.
Tbh if that's how you feel about salt spaces then you probably shouldn't take part in them. This person in particular was called out for her snarky remarks and rude replies that she constantly made as well as her behavior. She herself sort of fueled the fire. I think if she had said nothing then no one would be as upset about the situation as they are. It's kind of the Streisand Effect happening in real time here on FR.
I understand wanting to come in from the other point of view but sometimes that's just not necessary or should be defended as heavily. In this case I don't know if I would personally want to be seen defending this person. I don't think she, or anyone deserves to be harassed at all but I think you can see why people are not happy with her?
Ofc there are times when people take things too far but I don't think things would have escalated as they did without her fanning the flames. Your replies also sort of added fuel to the fire. This thread might even be dead by now had you just simple let things go. Personally I couldn't give a shit about that stupid familiar, it's ugly to me and I don't want one but it's understandable why people are upset with her actions around them.
if they're a malicious person and breaking rules by treating others on-site with malice? no issue. If they're being interpreted as malicious because they're doing something people don't like but are well within their right to do, and taking on an annoying attitude but ultimately not targeting anyone or breaking rules, there's a problem.
I don't have an issue with them making Y1 items more obtainable. But they should also prevent people from maliciously manipulating the market. Hope that helps!!
so you see the face of a dog in a wooden plank and think it's a real living dog?
I'm sorry but becoming too comfortable just assuming things about people on the internet isn't gonna get you anywhere. need I remind you this conversation is about a pixel dragon game with a fake economy
I didn't even make an accusation I just said I was getting vibes. Just say I'm seeing things that aren't there. I'm willing to accept there is not a face in the outlet on my wall.
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(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)weird for you to assume that I can't see the difference? I'm defending both scenarios. I'm defending scenario B because that kind of thing can't happen unless there's an opportunity for it. And that kind of opportunity can only ever be created through staff choices.
What does "healthy market" even mean here? What does "natural" mean?? Does a market that's controlled by bans sound natural to you? Has the light sprite market ever looked healthy to anyone, even before Elisabluh?? This scenario is enabled by the sprite being retired, desirable and in extremely low supply. That decision was made by staff; they retired it despite the low player numbers and too many server issues back when it was available. The fact that one user can even do this without much competition just speaks loudly of the sheer, alarming shortage of light sprites in comparison to how many people want them. Even if Elisabluh suddenly listed all their sprites at 70kg each, the core issue would remain.
And at this point I'm genuinely begging you to name any game. Neopets is one, okay cool! Anything else? I genuinely want to know and hear about how their economies and playerbases are faring with these rules and bans. I want to hear your stories about artificial inflation ruining games. Please tell me I am desperate.
(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)My advice is just stop replying, you are making things worse for yourself and honestly I find it hard to believe you aren't EB even if you say it 100x that you're not.
(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)A normal retired item goes up and down with demand. Not up only like light sprites. The core of this problem isn't retired items. It's how a player is acting with those items.
Look at all other retired items. Even kickstarter ones rise and have fallen to lack of demand. There are likely less of those left after years of bans and kickstarter players choosing to go inactive with them.
(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:06 pm (UTC)(link)"I'm defending scenario B because that kind of thing can't happen unless there's an opportunity for it."
You're so close!!!!
That's why people want rules against it. Then that opportunity can no longer happen! <3 It's like saying that you can't make rules against bullying people on site without it being staff's fault for allowing people to communicate in the first place. You have some interesting brainrot for not being Elisabluh.
(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)you seem committed to misunderstanding me but alright. I'll say it again. I Don't Think It's Good To Have A Price-Controlling Rule On A Player-Run Economy That Gets Players Banned. ESPECIALLY since there is a much better, less hostile solution right in front of us: Simply Re-Release The Light Sprite and other retired festival items. No one has to get banned, no one has to feel powerless when looking at extremely inflated prices. Why you wouldn't want the more peaceful option is beyond me but something tells me that this isn't so much about the light sprite itself as it is about wanting to see Elisabluh kicked off the site for your entertainment.
(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)"SomEtHIng TELlS mE that tHIS iSN't SO mUCh abOuT thE LIgHT SPrite itSElF As IT Is abOUT waNtInG TO sEE ELIsAbLUh kIcKed oFF THE SiTE fOR yOUR EnTeRtainmEnt"
Bro, have you read anything? Feels like talking to a brick wall just reading your commentsđź’€ Maybe some want Elisabluh banned but I think most just want the items rereleased???
(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)adding on, I think most want the items rereleased partially to fuck Elisabluh over too so if they are still around, all the better
(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)why is everyone arguing with me then. I agree with re-releasing the items and I have been saying that repeatedly. Maybe they're bored and have to take their anger out somewhere
(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)People probably keep arguing with you because you keep replying, if you are tired of it then perhaps it would be best to take a step back for your sake. Arguing on behalf of someone who won't even thank you is probably not good for your mental health anyways.
(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)eh, it's not a huge deal. I defend people not because I want or need their gratitude, but because I think salt spaces (and the on-site forums!!) have a tendency to go way overboard just... condemning people. For things that it's understandable to be mad about but are inconsequential in the grand scheme of things and shouldn't spark this kind of vitriol and public callouts. I'm not even here to try change everyone's minds, I just want to put my point out here so that this whole thing wouldn't remain a one-sided circlejerk. I don't mind explaining myself further.
Disliking someone and finding more and more reasons to do so to the point where you want them kicked out or made to suffer, even if the subject is literally just some pixel item, is like an internet sport. Most of the time I don't even say anything. But this particular case is so wildly, wildly blown out of proportion. Like I said before. Some of you really need to reign in your feelings about this little golden gremlin.
(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)Tbh if that's how you feel about salt spaces then you probably shouldn't take part in them. This person in particular was called out for her snarky remarks and rude replies that she constantly made as well as her behavior. She herself sort of fueled the fire. I think if she had said nothing then no one would be as upset about the situation as they are. It's kind of the Streisand Effect happening in real time here on FR.
I understand wanting to come in from the other point of view but sometimes that's just not necessary or should be defended as heavily. In this case I don't know if I would personally want to be seen defending this person. I don't think she, or anyone deserves to be harassed at all but I think you can see why people are not happy with her?
Ofc there are times when people take things too far but I don't think things would have escalated as they did without her fanning the flames. Your replies also sort of added fuel to the fire. This thread might even be dead by now had you just simple let things go. Personally I couldn't give a shit about that stupid familiar, it's ugly to me and I don't want one but it's understandable why people are upset with her actions around them.
(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:21 pm (UTC)(link)out of curiosity why is it such an issue if someone is banned who is malicious to the community = )
(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)if they're a malicious person and breaking rules by treating others on-site with malice? no issue. If they're being interpreted as malicious because they're doing something people don't like but are well within their right to do, and taking on an annoying attitude but ultimately not targeting anyone or breaking rules, there's a problem.
(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)I don't have an issue with them making Y1 items more obtainable. But they should also prevent people from maliciously manipulating the market. Hope that helps!!
(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 06:16 pm (UTC)(link)(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:21 pm (UTC)(link)(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)I'm sorry but becoming too comfortable just assuming things about people on the internet isn't gonna get you anywhere. need I remind you this conversation is about a pixel dragon game with a fake economy
(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)