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anonrerising2024-10-08 11:48 am
mindlessflight) wrote in anonrerising2024-10-08 11:48 am
It’s one thing to buy a dragon with lore, say “I like this lore idea but the gender isn’t gendering”, and change it. That’s your dragon, and it’s your character. Even then, it’s considered best practice to not include other people in your lore without their permission; it’s one thing to say “this dragon came from a bad background” and another thing to say “this dragon came from a bad background [describes previous owner’s lair/lore in a way that implies the previous owner specifically as being bad]”.
It’s another entirely to change the gender on a traveling dragon (rude, since the polite thing to do is assume that dragon isn’t yours permanently), then when the OG owner is unhappy about it get pissy and keep it out of spite because you don’t want the lore altered. All those things combined smack of something Not Cool.
It’s another entirely to change the gender on a traveling dragon (rude, since the polite thing to do is assume that dragon isn’t yours permanently), then when the OG owner is unhappy about it get pissy and keep it out of spite because you don’t want the lore altered. All those things combined smack of something Not Cool.
I mean this earnestly, maybe the person liked the dragon and decided to keep it. I know the spire comment is dubious but it is their dragon therefore the dragon can be whatever gender the current owner wants it to be.
It is shitty that they kept the dragon but FR rules state once a dragon leaves your lair it is no longer yours.
It is shitty that they kept the dragon but FR rules state once a dragon leaves your lair it is no longer yours.
But they didn't like the dragon and decided to keep it. If you scroll further up, they state the dragon matches nothing they'd keep in their lair and they kept it "out of spite" and, obviously since they're suspended, there was more going on in the PMs between them and the original owner that we're not privy to. Probably rampant transphobia.
People really will go out of their way to excuse bigots.
People really will go out of their way to excuse bigots.
Bigotry is denying people access to basic human rights. This is a pixel dragon game calm down. Instead of screaming at people online over a png you should go make change or donate to a trans charity.
These two users might have some beef that we aren’t privy to. Who’s to say. I think jumping on the accusations of bigotry on a made up dragons pronouns are really silly
And yes I am nonbinary. Respectfully it’s not that deep
These two users might have some beef that we aren’t privy to. Who’s to say. I think jumping on the accusations of bigotry on a made up dragons pronouns are really silly
And yes I am nonbinary. Respectfully it’s not that deep
It's also true that keeping a dragon out of spite after changing the pronouns ONLY and then bragging about it is harassment (it's violating the "once the dragon leaves your lair it is no longer yours" policy, read more under Dragon Ownership in the rules
hence why the user got suspended
like if they did nothing wrong and it wasn't transphobia then why would they be suspended lol
hence why the user got suspended
like if they did nothing wrong and it wasn't transphobia then why would they be suspended lol
DA
Bigotry is not denying people access to basic human rights what :sob: why are you even on a salt blog if you can't handle people being salty about bigots, calm down /s
Bigotry is literally "obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."
which y'know. changing pronouns of a dragon and then refusing to keep a travelling dragon... travelling.... so that a person who asked them to not do that can't change the pronouns back....... all out a spite.......
yeah that's what a bigot would do? hence bigotry
Bigotry is not denying people access to basic human rights what :sob: why are you even on a salt blog if you can't handle people being salty about bigots, calm down /s
Bigotry is literally "obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."
which y'know. changing pronouns of a dragon and then refusing to keep a travelling dragon... travelling.... so that a person who asked them to not do that can't change the pronouns back....... all out a spite.......
yeah that's what a bigot would do? hence bigotry
That’s not what bigotry means. That is a result of bigotry - but bigotry is basically just hate or intolerance against people who are different from you or have different beliefs or whatever. You’re thinking of discrimination. No one is talking about discrimination here, though. They’re calling out nobody999 for bigotted behavior because that’s what this situation is giving.
Changing nonbinary pronouns to binary ones on a traveling dragon you didn’t intend to keep in the first place is sus as hell and I can only imagine one scenario in which a person wants to do that. Generally people just add on to existing lore with traveling dragons - they don’t change old lore and they definitely don’t change the pronouns for no reason. Keeping it just to spite the owner who probably clocked what they were up to just further confirms they had questionable intentions.
Also, you’re on a dragon gossip blog.
Changing nonbinary pronouns to binary ones on a traveling dragon you didn’t intend to keep in the first place is sus as hell and I can only imagine one scenario in which a person wants to do that. Generally people just add on to existing lore with traveling dragons - they don’t change old lore and they definitely don’t change the pronouns for no reason. Keeping it just to spite the owner who probably clocked what they were up to just further confirms they had questionable intentions.
Also, you’re on a dragon gossip blog.
Another nonbinary person here. Is this deep? Maybe only as deep as a pothole, but like, it's still sus as hell. The only things we do know about the situation read as being malicious about pronouns specifically. In the current cultural climate being this petty about pronouns is such a red flag I think it's not unusual for people to assume the worst.
Nonny were you here during Unfathomable Odyssey? Imagine if the mods did nothing when transphobes were throwing tantrums about Merrigan's gender?
I feel like you need to do some self reflection here on why you excuse this as a nonbinary person. It's fine for it to not bother you personally, but, yes, it is transphobia to change the gender of a nonbinary dragon who is not yours admittedly specifically out of spite against the owner. Sure, it is a game, but if you excuse behaviors like this, then you allow room for transphobes to quietly harass trans people without being punished for it because it's just a "made up dragon's pronouns".
I feel like you need to do some self reflection here on why you excuse this as a nonbinary person. It's fine for it to not bother you personally, but, yes, it is transphobia to change the gender of a nonbinary dragon who is not yours admittedly specifically out of spite against the owner. Sure, it is a game, but if you excuse behaviors like this, then you allow room for transphobes to quietly harass trans people without being punished for it because it's just a "made up dragon's pronouns".
oh boy, is 0hzarks an arr reader? if so, congrats on missing the point by a country mile. underpaying people for art you "appreciate" isn't a level playing field, you're just a cheap asshole who thinks you can get away with scamming (young) artists, not to mention regular tickets being 1g/1kt but art prize donations are somehow worth 1/5 of that value. and even worse, earlier on the page is someone posting a colored fullbody with a background and shading. idk about you but i would pay more than 600g for that piece...
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/raf/3369202/16#post_57745544
https://archive.is/PrpRX
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/raf/3369202/16#post_57745544
https://archive.is/PrpRX
AYRT, Yeah I understand what you mean here but I don't think they just liked the dragon enough to keep it permanently based on other evidence. For example, the request in the thread specifically asked for exceptions to their lair and the only reason they gave for the exception was that they wanted to spite the person who messaged them about changes they made. They didn't list anywhere that they like the look of the dragon.
Ofc I get the whole "once it leaves your lair it's not yours" thing but that's totally against the spirit of traveling dragons and I think they way they went about this could even be considered harassment tbh. There's always a risk when it comes to traveling dragons and everyone who participates knows that, at least I think they should haha, but there's a difference in liking a dragon so much you want to keep it and keeping the dragon simply to spite another user.
Ofc I get the whole "once it leaves your lair it's not yours" thing but that's totally against the spirit of traveling dragons and I think they way they went about this could even be considered harassment tbh. There's always a risk when it comes to traveling dragons and everyone who participates knows that, at least I think they should haha, but there's a difference in liking a dragon so much you want to keep it and keeping the dragon simply to spite another user.
damn anon the call is coming from inside the house. you might want to check yourself.
^ not the internalized transphobia
You've got to be kidding me lol.
Y'know I like to usually be the one reminding people that this is a pixel dragon game but Nobody999 literally admit to being spiteful. Like you kinda can't ignore that this is based on their own confession, not assumptions. The order of events:
1. Nobody999 posts in a thread describing how they kept a travelling dragon that otherwise doesn't fit their lair rules to 'spite' its previous owner who allegedly messaged them about a 'lore change' they made
2. Aequorin asks them about that lore change. They respond saying they won't say what it was because they don't want 'drama'.
3. The original version of the bio is revealed, and it's discovered that the only change to the bio were that they/them pronouns all got edited to she/her.
I'm sorry but if this doesn't sound like somebody who is at least mildly transphobic then idk. Like the whole point is that this dragon doesn't meet their lair criteria. They posted in a thread that was specifically about "dragons that don't fit your lair criteria that you made an exception for", saying that the exception in question was spite. Over pronouns. People who aren't some kind of phobic don't give a shit about pronouns on dragons that they don't even want. I don't think that this being a pixel game matters here? You're suggesting that someone who acts so weird about NB pronouns on pixel dragons would be fine with NB pronouns IRL?
Y'know I like to usually be the one reminding people that this is a pixel dragon game but Nobody999 literally admit to being spiteful. Like you kinda can't ignore that this is based on their own confession, not assumptions. The order of events:
1. Nobody999 posts in a thread describing how they kept a travelling dragon that otherwise doesn't fit their lair rules to 'spite' its previous owner who allegedly messaged them about a 'lore change' they made
2. Aequorin asks them about that lore change. They respond saying they won't say what it was because they don't want 'drama'.
3. The original version of the bio is revealed, and it's discovered that the only change to the bio were that they/them pronouns all got edited to she/her.
I'm sorry but if this doesn't sound like somebody who is at least mildly transphobic then idk. Like the whole point is that this dragon doesn't meet their lair criteria. They posted in a thread that was specifically about "dragons that don't fit your lair criteria that you made an exception for", saying that the exception in question was spite. Over pronouns. People who aren't some kind of phobic don't give a shit about pronouns on dragons that they don't even want. I don't think that this being a pixel game matters here? You're suggesting that someone who acts so weird about NB pronouns on pixel dragons would be fine with NB pronouns IRL?
I wouldn't be surprised if fire made hard terms in hopes light refused and backed off the week.
Here's the thing, this is the risk you take with sending out a traveler. It becomes their dragon. They can keep it, breed change it, exalt it, or throw it on the AH.
I have kept a traveler before. But I asked the original owner and they were fine with it. And I left the profile intact, except adding an ending.
I don't see a need to delete that from a kept traveler.
I don't see a need to delete that from a kept traveler.
Just because they have the ability to do anything they want to the dragon, doesn't make them any less of an asshole for doing so. Everyone knows the risks that come with participating in the traveling dragon thread but that doesn't mean we can't say someone is an asshole for doing what Nobody did here.
Oh good lord. I didn't expect that to be it. Surprised staff did something as they've let others do stupid shit, but it is good to see.
No one is denying that. The issue isn’t that they kept the dragon. The issue is WHY they kept it, which was deliberately to spite the original owner - this isn’t even speculation, that’s straight up what Nobody999 said.
It can be assumed they wanted to spite the owner because they got called out by them for being transphobic. (Nobody999 never intended to keep the dragon just because they like it - and people don’t typically change traveling dragons older lore, much less just the pronouns.)
It can be assumed they wanted to spite the owner because they got called out by them for being transphobic. (Nobody999 never intended to keep the dragon just because they like it - and people don’t typically change traveling dragons older lore, much less just the pronouns.)
you know, now that we know this is likely the reason why nobody999 is temp banned. i have to wonder if that's why aeq asked them directly what they changed about the lore lol
like i have no doubt that staff can see previous versions of a profile or can somehow pull up a history of edits. what are the chances aeq knew that's what they did and wanted to see how they'd respond lol (or maybe the OG owner reported their messages back and forth asking that they not change the pronouns)
like i have no doubt that staff can see previous versions of a profile or can somehow pull up a history of edits. what are the chances aeq knew that's what they did and wanted to see how they'd respond lol (or maybe the OG owner reported their messages back and forth asking that they not change the pronouns)
I will step back on this. I read on flatview, and hadn't seen that part. This stands for normal cases. This guy is a jerk.
AYRT, Yeah in normal cases keeping and changing a traveler would not have gotten this much anger/disgust from people lol I would have probably argued similarly to you if not for seeing the rest of the thread first because that's just the unfortunate risk that traveling dragons have and shit happens
Hold up - am I tripping or is the bio changed back to them pronouns being used (except for 1 spot in the bio from what I can tell) now? Nobody999 still doesn't show up in user search so I guess they're still suspended - did mouse mod go in and revert/edit the bio d'ya think?
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