As a non-Plague member I think a lot of people are tired of Plague specifically having uncontested double dom. I was very surprised when no one contested light last week honestly.
to be fair, light made it exceptionally clear that if you stepped to them they were ready to fight for it. they had OOF boarding open and were prehoarding for weeks, this was treated like a proper double dom conquest with the proper effort unlike some other flights.
im in light and now that weve conquested, i can say that we were indeed hoarding and preparing for a battle. i think its good that wind has done the same - plague got complacent with their double doms, and its reminded all of us how no dom is ever guaranteed. youve gotta put the work in, either with grinding or with incentives for people to grind for you.
tbh i think this isn't going to lead to more spontaneous battles. who's going to challenge wind for double dom when they have a light sprite in the mix, or light with their stored prelevels? i'd be shocked if light and wind dom orgs and other experienced dom people genuinely thought that they'd still be challenged, and i would honestly consider it pretty disingenuous if they did, but of course i don't know what their thoughts are.
i don't know if even earth or water would feel up to challenging light with boarding or wind with light sprite so to me this just seems less like it's prepping for battle and more like a way to book up more dom weeks without being challenged. i'm just hoping this isn't the new norm - doing double dom, but with so much prep that it makes it unrealistic for anyone else to challenge you.
as someone who mainly played FR in the earlier years, i'm finding myself less interested in the game as the main thing i enjoyed about the game (spontaneous battles and more opportunity to try new things with them) is pretty much gone. the water/plague thing rekindled my interest and i'm just disappointed that it seems like that trend will not continue. oh well.
I was in light and while we weren’t expecting any specific challenger, we were absolutely preparing for the possibility of one. That’s *why* we were preboarding/levelling, we were genuinely ready to throw down. It wasn’t a scare tactic, just the sort of prep that a flight would *do* when they’re expecting to have to fight for it. Same with wind; they’re not *assuming* that they’re going to get an uncontested double. If they were assuming that they wouldn’t have brought out the Light Sprite! In fairness, the sprite is probably going to give them an uncontested double but it’s not going to be cheap because they prepared anticipating a challenge (again, light sprite).
It’s not like every double dom is going to have a light sprite either. And as far as getting challenged - there were several flights that would have been very legitimate threats on week 2 for light.
I don’t know about double dom provoking more spontaneous battles, but the flights should still prepare as if they’ll get one. And if they don’t, then they shouldn’t be surprised if another flight nabs it.
"It wasn’t a scare tactic, just the sort of prep that a flight would *do* when they’re expecting to have to fight for it."
In trad battles, both sides do boarding. A surprise challenger would not be able to also do boarding because it would involve enough prep that the surprise aspect would be lost. I think IF only boarding or raffles would be less intimidating to a potential challenger.
"Same with wind; they’re not *assuming* that they’re going to get an uncontested double. If they were assuming that they wouldn’t have brought out the Light Sprite! In fairness, the sprite is probably going to give them an uncontested double but it’s not going to be cheap because they prepared anticipating a challenge (again, light sprite)."
I think when you pull out a light sprite, you are pretty much 99.9% assuming it will be uncontested, and Wind dom orgs are experienced/competent so I figure they knew that and wanted to secure both weeks instead of leaving it open to a battle. I'm not really judging them, especially because they have an upcoming battle to prepare for, but as a general dom scene enthusiast I'm disappointed that this choice obviates the chance of a battle.
In my general experience of dom, light sprites are usually donated by a rich user for liquidation. Because pretty much no one is going to agree to a light sprite in a traditional battle, dom teams don't usually go out aiming to buy one. So I don't really consider throwing out a light sprite specifically as "working for it" unless the flight decided to work together to fundraise for one to secure their double dom. It seems more like it was just sitting around since it can't be used for a traditional battle and they decided to use it now. I could be wrong, of course.
There is a difference between taking steps to assure that your dom is going to be successful (bringing out the light sprite) and assuming you will be successful, so you don’t prepare for it.
Also, I was *in* light. I can assure you that we were boarding in anticipation of a potential challenge. If other flights looked at our work and decided “we don’t really want to fight that”, task failed successfully.
You said earlier you don’t think double dom will lead to more spontaneous battles. That might be true! As the site has grown, the energy and funds needed to do a proper spontaneous battle is so steep that it’s not surprising most teams aren’t interested in. But that’s only the case if a flight isn’t complacent in planning their dom pushes (which can be the case in double dom or regular pushes), and if they do get complacent, the dom fatigue on week two makes a battle much more fair for all involved. It’ll be interesting to see what happens.
^ pretty much what this anon said. There's a huge difference between making plans to ensure a successful dom conquest and assuming a double dom is yours for free and not trying at all, which is what plague did.
The dom team mentioned a lot that they were doing this in anticipation of a potential challenger and had their eyes warily on a few flights who might go for it. Hell, at one point we thought Ice was about to swing for it and were revving up in anticipation. I'd like to point out that in Plague's shitshow, very public screenshots were leaked of them stating that Light "better be prepared to fight for their double dom", which I think further validates Lightdom's preparation in anticipation of a challenger. Lightdom assumed someone was going to show up, and had someone, it probably would've accurately been one of the smaller flights who could shred their prehoard advantage. It's not really their fault no one did.
I personally think we haven't given enough time to make conclusions on spontaneous battles. they are WAY riskier and require a lot of material and planning - you never know if a user can't keep their mouth shut and spoil the plans prematurely, and public opinion may still be sensitive about unearthing the concept again - so it'll need some time before people feel more confident about trying after so long of status quo being so mundane.
also, water's gambit was a perfect storm of conditions that put the wind at their backs: plague was hyper complacent, it had been so long since an unplanned fight, their org is so well kept together that they knew they could put up a fight with their stores, a FANTASTICALLY cute theme, and loud plague players showing terrible sportsmanship souring the opinion of supporting their double dom any further. yeah, water likely had pushback for breaking the boring standard, but all those other factors put things in their favour.
Water, Ice, and Wind have all shown us some serious gumption lately and I can see them as all being very tolerant of risk. Earth and Light are a bit more reserved but happy to meet any challenge, I imagine.
And the rest????
I wonder if we're heading into an age where like half of the flights are willing to engage in competitions and the other half just play Google Calendar with dom watch and stay in their lanes.
"I wonder if we're heading into an age where like half of the flights are willing to engage in competitions and the other half just play Google Calendar with dom watch and stay in their lanes."
This was exactly the impression I got after the convo in the all flights dom server lol. I think you're right.
This seems to be the way, which is kind of awful because it means it'll be the competitive half being perceived as "jumping" the non-competitive half just for doing dom like they usually would.
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Re: Wind Double Dom
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(Anonymous) 2024-07-11 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)tbh i think this isn't going to lead to more spontaneous battles. who's going to challenge wind for double dom when they have a light sprite in the mix, or light with their stored prelevels? i'd be shocked if light and wind dom orgs and other experienced dom people genuinely thought that they'd still be challenged, and i would honestly consider it pretty disingenuous if they did, but of course i don't know what their thoughts are.
i don't know if even earth or water would feel up to challenging light with boarding or wind with light sprite so to me this just seems less like it's prepping for battle and more like a way to book up more dom weeks without being challenged. i'm just hoping this isn't the new norm - doing double dom, but with so much prep that it makes it unrealistic for anyone else to challenge you.
as someone who mainly played FR in the earlier years, i'm finding myself less interested in the game as the main thing i enjoyed about the game (spontaneous battles and more opportunity to try new things with them) is pretty much gone. the water/plague thing rekindled my interest and i'm just disappointed that it seems like that trend will not continue. oh well.
Re: Wind Double Dom
(Anonymous) 2024-07-11 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)It’s not like every double dom is going to have a light sprite either. And as far as getting challenged - there were several flights that would have been very legitimate threats on week 2 for light.
I don’t know about double dom provoking more spontaneous battles, but the flights should still prepare as if they’ll get one. And if they don’t, then they shouldn’t be surprised if another flight nabs it.
Re: Wind Double Dom
(Anonymous) 2024-07-11 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)"It wasn’t a scare tactic, just the sort of prep that a flight would *do* when they’re expecting to have to fight for it."
In trad battles, both sides do boarding. A surprise challenger would not be able to also do boarding because it would involve enough prep that the surprise aspect would be lost. I think IF only boarding or raffles would be less intimidating to a potential challenger.
"Same with wind; they’re not *assuming* that they’re going to get an uncontested double. If they were assuming that they wouldn’t have brought out the Light Sprite! In fairness, the sprite is probably going to give them an uncontested double but it’s not going to be cheap because they prepared anticipating a challenge (again, light sprite)."
I think when you pull out a light sprite, you are pretty much 99.9% assuming it will be uncontested, and Wind dom orgs are experienced/competent so I figure they knew that and wanted to secure both weeks instead of leaving it open to a battle. I'm not really judging them, especially because they have an upcoming battle to prepare for, but as a general dom scene enthusiast I'm disappointed that this choice obviates the chance of a battle.
In my general experience of dom, light sprites are usually donated by a rich user for liquidation. Because pretty much no one is going to agree to a light sprite in a traditional battle, dom teams don't usually go out aiming to buy one. So I don't really consider throwing out a light sprite specifically as "working for it" unless the flight decided to work together to fundraise for one to secure their double dom. It seems more like it was just sitting around since it can't be used for a traditional battle and they decided to use it now. I could be wrong, of course.
Re: Wind Double Dom
(Anonymous) 2024-07-11 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)There is a difference between taking steps to assure that your dom is going to be successful (bringing out the light sprite) and assuming you will be successful, so you don’t prepare for it.
Also, I was *in* light. I can assure you that we were boarding in anticipation of a potential challenge. If other flights looked at our work and decided “we don’t really want to fight that”, task failed successfully.
You said earlier you don’t think double dom will lead to more spontaneous battles. That might be true! As the site has grown, the energy and funds needed to do a proper spontaneous battle is so steep that it’s not surprising most teams aren’t interested in. But that’s only the case if a flight isn’t complacent in planning their dom pushes (which can be the case in double dom or regular pushes), and if they do get complacent, the dom fatigue on week two makes a battle much more fair for all involved. It’ll be interesting to see what happens.
Re: Wind Double Dom
(Anonymous) 2024-07-11 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)The dom team mentioned a lot that they were doing this in anticipation of a potential challenger and had their eyes warily on a few flights who might go for it. Hell, at one point we thought Ice was about to swing for it and were revving up in anticipation. I'd like to point out that in Plague's shitshow, very public screenshots were leaked of them stating that Light "better be prepared to fight for their double dom", which I think further validates Lightdom's preparation in anticipation of a challenger. Lightdom assumed someone was going to show up, and had someone, it probably would've accurately been one of the smaller flights who could shred their prehoard advantage. It's not really their fault no one did.
Re: Wind Double Dom
(Anonymous) 2024-07-11 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)I personally think we haven't given enough time to make conclusions on spontaneous battles. they are WAY riskier and require a lot of material and planning - you never know if a user can't keep their mouth shut and spoil the plans prematurely, and public opinion may still be sensitive about unearthing the concept again - so it'll need some time before people feel more confident about trying after so long of status quo being so mundane.
also, water's gambit was a perfect storm of conditions that put the wind at their backs: plague was hyper complacent, it had been so long since an unplanned fight, their org is so well kept together that they knew they could put up a fight with their stores, a FANTASTICALLY cute theme, and loud plague players showing terrible sportsmanship souring the opinion of supporting their double dom any further. yeah, water likely had pushback for breaking the boring standard, but all those other factors put things in their favour.
Re: Wind Double Dom
(Anonymous) 2024-07-12 01:18 am (UTC)(link)Water, Ice, and Wind have all shown us some serious gumption lately and I can see them as all being very tolerant of risk. Earth and Light are a bit more reserved but happy to meet any challenge, I imagine.
And the rest????
I wonder if we're heading into an age where like half of the flights are willing to engage in competitions and the other half just play Google Calendar with dom watch and stay in their lanes.
Re: Wind Double Dom
(Anonymous) 2024-07-12 02:15 am (UTC)(link)"I wonder if we're heading into an age where like half of the flights are willing to engage in competitions and the other half just play Google Calendar with dom watch and stay in their lanes."
This was exactly the impression I got after the convo in the all flights dom server lol. I think you're right.
Re: Wind Double Dom
(Anonymous) 2024-07-12 02:26 am (UTC)(link)This seems to be the way, which is kind of awful because it means it'll be the competitive half being perceived as "jumping" the non-competitive half just for doing dom like they usually would.