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An important update:

Due to a specific person being a complete child, comments are going to be screened by default.

This is only temporary, and I apologize for the inconvenience- this is going to be a pain in the ass for me, too, but multiple people have come forward about fears of doxxing, and this is the only way to make sure any doxxing is contained.

(This basically will force the doxxer to make a DW account to post any doxxing attempts unscreened, and will let me more reliably report them to DW staff/authorities.)

Again, I apologize, and will be working to unscreen comments as fast as possible, but I'm only one person.

(Vasemod has had some personal issues come up, so I am the only mod atm. Please bear with me until this bit of annoyance has passed.)

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i don’t want to be argumentative but i genuinely do not feel the way that people are saying i do and i feel it’s a lot of projection on my many issues with this decision. i do not believe staff is dumb. i actually defend them quite a lot and i do believe that they want the best for flight rising. i do not believe they are personally out to get me or the communities i belong to. i don’t believe they are stupid and i *understand* that they’re open to change and plan on being flexible as they develop something to replace the functions of mass pings.

i do *not* believe that the on-site features will be able to match the functionality of user made tools. i have never said that staff just shouldn’t try to make anything analogous because it’s ~impossible~, anyone saying that is putting words in my mouth. i also tried to give a bit more nuance to my stance on what this will do to the trading economy. i’m *interested* in game economies and flight rising has a uniquely stable player-driven trading community that thrives because of what our dedicated community has built.

when people say things like what you’ve said here, it really seems to me that they’ve missed *my* point. which is, really, just two basic points:

- player-run systems like gasp, the g1 pinglist, and many many niche communities of dragon collection are complex, contain thousands (or millions in the case of g1) of possible combinations.
- the communities who utilize these lists are niches, and the resources it would take to develop systems like the ones players have tested for *years* seems unrealistic to bolster trading niches.

this is not ‘… so it’s impossible and staff should never try.’ it’s just a cause for concern that staff doesn’t even seem to know the functionality of the g1 pinglist- the recent post even says they can’t sanction certain play styles outside of skins and accents and dominance, specifically mentioning that certain aspects of dragon collecting are not site-sanctioned. (… on the dragon collecting game.) it just… it’s going to change a lot of things and it’s going to be rough for staff to try and develop systems akin to player-operated pinglists that have operated for years.

if you want to interpret a handful of responses as ‘screeching at staff like they’re neanderthals’, just block me please. i don’t think it reflects well on me, but this is like. pretty exaggerated and i think you’ve missed the concerns that i actually have because i wrote frustrated responses. i feel badly for what i wrote and i would take it back but it’s on dev tracker forever and there isn’t much i can do about that besides reiterate that i’m sorry and i do *not* feel the way that this anon assumes.

no, i read your responses. multiple times, even, because i didn't want to give you a disingenuous read, and passed them to others to read to make sure i didn't read it wrong. i read all your onsite posts, which contain concerns i don't think are unfounded either, but the ONLY thing i'm telling you is not only did your tone suck, your approach AND attitude did, too. you are, again, assuming that other people just don't read what you're saying.

i have developed things that they have had to as a professional network administrator, and i also worked as a professional freelance artist having to network and contact people through similar methods online and offline that i had to make myself. everything takes time, effort, and trial and error. i have been on THEIR side of these things, and i have also been on YOUR side of these things. what they think they're capable of right now CAN and WILL change as people give proper feedback and use their tools, but they need the room to do it in the first place; room that many people don't seem very willing to give them. room that you aren't giving either, even if you think you're giving them some.

you have MULTIPLE people telling you that you suck right now and that it wasn't just your tone, including folks off flight rising who used to play the site and used usermade pinglists like GASP and such. it's time to step back and really look at what you did and how you did it when people who would be more biased to your side also think you suck.

again, i don’t want to be argumentative and this is probably my last response because i’m committed to apologizing for what i said to staff and the people saying i suck are committed to… saying that i suck. i’m sorry i have a bad attitude? i don’t know what else i can do. i have concerns, i apologized for speaking the way i did, i *am* trying to chill and hold out until something official is released because it’s not worth feeling disgruntled over something that doesn’t exist yet, i’m honestly just not sure what else i can do here. i am not committed to being a jackass just because. i don’t think there’s much else besides to wait bc this obviously isn’t getting resolved overnight and as i said in one of my responses to staff, i do trust that they’re open to feedback.

it’s frustrating that they walked into this decision without an understanding of how the community utilizes mass pings, but i guess we’ll see what happens in the long run. like i said, trying to be chill about it until something actually happens. and… idk unless someone says something heinous i’m not replying here again- if it’s my attitude that’s the issue, explaining my point of view won’t really help my case on a drama com LOL

Actually, I think you are reading it differently. They're trying to figure out what other groups they can support without it being turned into "the right way to play the game". Not saying they won't support others. One type they made clear they don't want to support is groups that are organizing stalking strangers' hatches without the user agreeing to it.

A group of people looking to sell g1 dragons and advertise to willing g1 buyers that specify what they want, they actually may be better suited by expanding and improving sales tools they failed on rather than ping lists.

"One type they made clear they don't want to support is groups that are organizing stalking strangers' hatches without the user agreeing to it."

this response by mousemod annoys me so much, because it's so out of left field??? it's fundamentally misunderstanding what the G1 pinglist is even for. it's for sellers selling their own dragons, not somehow stalking and pinging other people for a third party's hatches that they didn't consent to. like who is doing this. kinda making me furious because people who don't use G1 have a shitty false idea of what the pinglist is actually for and staff is proving they still don't understand their own userbase at all

I think that was the race to 8 million group being used as an unacceptablepkaystyle, personally. That shitshow needs banned after making the site unusable.

uh oh, what happened there?

Special ID hunters got all hyped up for ID 90 million and that means a fuck ton of people were hatching nests and eggs all at once and keeping track of random user's hatches too. There should be a thread about it in FRD "countdown to 90 million" or whatever. There's plenty of instances where people would share random dragons that didn't belobg to them like omg look at dragon #8888869699

Admittedly it also took me a second to realize that must be what Aeroquin was talking about even with me having lurked on that thread at the time.

DA

I don't think it was what Aeq was referencing, though? I mean, hadn't she previously posted on that countdown thread? I know it was just to say "talk of sales here is fine" but I feel like if the sharing of random dragons wasn't okay, it would've been posted there- or in past SIDHA threads / special ID countdowns which have been happening for years with staff not saying anything (or hell, even something said in the "interesting AH dragons" thread)

DA I think sharing of random dragons in threads is considered fine bc it's just people chatting as opposed to staff introducing a mechanism for people to more easily find other people's notable dragons, thereby condoning the playstyle.

Was THAT the reason the site was so laggy? How did that happen?

Basically dragon 90 million was due to hatch. So these people, in their brilliance decided to sit and search the site over and over counting each hatch.

The day of, once they broke dragon search, they moved to the scrying workshop, using the Id option there to keep breaking things further, without care for site stability.

That makes sense but gdi they suck because the site was barely usable for me to the point that it made my ENTIRE BROWSER lock up to the point of freezing my computer.

I hate all of them and hope their hard drives break.

The site's miserable search that can't index more than 300 pages at a time and can't actually filter useful information that would make the list of results useful and smaller for things like this is what keeps making the site break. People are still going to keep searching for IDs and the site is still going to go ridiculously sluggish because the most generous filters you can use for hatchlings still attempts a search of 100k+, of which you can only actually view 7500. The fact that you can generate that many results at all and there isn't an arbitrary cap on the search at all and it shows you the exact results of every ridiculous search you make just makes the circumstances worse.

People really need to stop just showing off people's random dragons, especially when directly linking then is expressly banned but people don't stop doing it regardless. But beyond all that - the pinglist bit won't actually help with any of the Special ID stuff. There's nothing about it to be helped. It's incredibly out of left field for them to mention and unless they ban the onsite threads entirely just sounds like they're grasping at straws.

for reference for anyone who hasn’t seen the reply, this is what we’re discussing:

- “We must be mindful that outside of Dominance and skins and accents, we do not provide site/staff sanction for any one particular style of player-driven gameplay. If someone prefers a specific type of dragon to collect, that's fully valid and we encourage you on your acquisition journey! But what are the implications and how would it backfire if we give official site-supported nods to player-driven gameplay styles? Especially if the playstyle involves monitoring for dragons hatched by players who did not consent to participate in the group? Is what amounts to monitoring other players' hatches something we can officially condone by crafting a system to specifically support that playstyle?”

yeah, maybe the wording there confused me? to myself and some people who are more invested in g1 collecting, who i do not want to name on a drama com, it felt that ‘g1 collecting’ and ‘players who monitor other players’ hatches’ were being grouped together - which all together felt like a misunderstanding of the g1 pinglist’s purpose. idk idk… i’m not getting myself worked up again, i’m not going to take what admins say in bad faith. i think this is just a clunky way to address a very large collecting community’s concerns, that’s all.

yeah I don't understand what those two groups have to do with each other? the whole point of me using the g1 pinglist to advertising my g1s is to reach people who AREN'T monitoring hatches lol

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