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An important update:

Due to a specific person being a complete child, comments are going to be screened by default.

This is only temporary, and I apologize for the inconvenience- this is going to be a pain in the ass for me, too, but multiple people have come forward about fears of doxxing, and this is the only way to make sure any doxxing is contained.

(This basically will force the doxxer to make a DW account to post any doxxing attempts unscreened, and will let me more reliably report them to DW staff/authorities.)

Again, I apologize, and will be working to unscreen comments as fast as possible, but I'm only one person.

(Vasemod has had some personal issues come up, so I am the only mod atm. Please bear with me until this bit of annoyance has passed.)

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I saw Weevil get Fish in a public discord, and I really don't think the memes in the bio were to piss Alyx off. Weevil seemed to really enjoy the dragon and have fun with it, and this was just him and his friends celebrating getting an expensive dragon. I've seen lots of dragons with memes and silly photoshops filling the bio before.

If someone really wanted to upset Alyx with memes, they'd have gone for a lineage dragon. The rules on offspring of 69696969 are suffocating, and entirely non-enforceable.

A really expensive dragon. That was from a user that apparently blocked him that is known to be pretty disliked that hates meme dragons, bought through a third party.

I really have trouble believing any of it was as innocent as you do.

Fish was purchased directly by Weevil from Alyx, before any blocking and when the two were presumably on good terms (given that Alyx LOVES to decline sales). Alyx blocked Weevil later.

I thought Fish was the second dragon purchase related to this mess? Weevil was blocked after the first dragon purchase as discussed here, and block evaded to get Fish afterwards.

https://archive.ph/le5Il

No, it was the first. From what I've been able to gather Fish was bought completely legitimately and then everything happened after.

Which was the second dragon then?

don't remember the ID# but the dragon's name is Groupon

So...

The order was reversed. Fishamael was likely the reason for the block, and Groupon the block evade purchase. No one mentioned that one before now.

Groupon was listed as sold for 17k, conveniently the amount Weevil gave to the user that bought Groupon the day the dragon was bought.

However, it doesn't change anything about the rulebreaking. The purchase of a dragon by block evasion is the entire problem. Staff doesn't care if you turn dragon into a meme or scatter against the owner's wishes.

Peopke need to stop giving people like Alyx the ammo to get them banned. Leave her alone. It's not hard.

are people normally banned for block evasion like this? i'm not quite familiar with staff's enforcement of this

They don't normally, that I've seen. Or it's a short ban. I have not seen this before. But I'm honestly guessing more they didn't say happened on top of it.

All we can do is guess based on what they revealed. Between screenshots and what was said elsewhere.

My guess is a friend group working together to block evade with the intent to harass someone changes it. But we'll never know.

I blocked someone and their friend messaged me with "I saw your dragons, and tried to show my friend, but they saw you had blocked them, and wanted to know why because they're really great???"

I told them "Don't message me again about this, I block for a reason."

They replied with another "But my friend is so nice???" so I blocked the friend.

ANOTHER friend messaged me with "You are really rude for blocking my friends."

I reported all three of them for ban evasion- they all got a suspension, but came back after a week. Thankfully, they took the hint and left me the fuck alone.

That's a bit more concrete than my rumors. If game of dumbasses playing telephone to get around a block is 1 week, a group of assholes working to get around a block to buy a dragon just to do things that would upset the blocked user to harass them is certainly a permanent ban worthy offense.

Rip Vynne who appears to have potentially only been involved by holding the dragon 2 minutes though.

It could be because that they bought a dragon using block evasion, or maybe the first dragon (the one with the huge bio) was reported for harassment, or there could be other stuff that they aren't telling us.

I don't see it much, but I'm sure it's happened before, many times. Most situations simply aren't as publicized as this one, which involves multiple high profile loudmouths.

What high profile loudmouths? I know nothing about any of the users involved but based on how they acted in the G1 hell server before this I just do not see it.

Re: weevil and co

(Anonymous) - 2023-10-01 22:08 (UTC) - Expand

If this was all because Alyx got abusive when weevil did something with a dragon, prior to using a block, they didn't pre-approve of [as they often do], and that's why they blocked weevil, then I honestly don't feel so good about weevil getting banned over this situation.
Sure, it was a stupid trolling move and weevil should have gotten a staff warning about it at least. However this possible scenario doesn't really legitimize Alyx's block in any way and paints it as an intimidation tactic. If we're talking about a ban resulting from a [admittedly irresponsible] response to Alyx skirting around the dragon-use TOS terms to threaten people, this whole situation becomes hypocritical.

If that interpretation of the timeline happens to be true, Alyx's account should get nuked as well because they are equally engaging in a form of bullying.

Did Alyx get abusive (genuine question as I haven't seen any mention of Alyx getting abusive before, just blocking weevil) or did they just block Weevil?

However, no matter what Alyx did, which I do agree that if they got abusive (on-site) they should be punished, weevil also did something against the rules, and if they got a ban, instead of a temporary punishment, then I have the feeling they did more than just evade a block.

If it were just a block, it doesn't matter *why* Weevil was blocked, it was still against site TOS to get around it.

I'll be honest, if she broke rules outright, they'd have reported her and celebrated the ban.

All I've seen is a dumb rules list about dragons bought from her that result in a block when broken. Which is her right. I think at this point she knows she can't enforce it further than that.

Yeah, I was thinking this as well.

I have never interacted with her, so I have no clue about the list, but, I just wouldn't buy a dragon from her if I didn't like the 'rules' even though I know that she can't enforce them.

I have seen no evidence of abusive behavior on her side, and if it existed, we'd have seen it.

But here is the thing: I can block you for any reason I want, and it is valid and not bullying. I can block you for breaking my stupid rules on a dragon you bought from me. I can block you for liking or hating the color thistle. I can block you for selling starving dragons. There is no such thing as an invalid block. It is not bullying. It is curating my experience for my comfort. Which is what she did. (I basically only block bigots, which is my choice. She chose something else.)

But nothing remotely justifies using a third party to get around someone's choice to curate their comfort and buy from them in a visible way. If it was an item, there would have been no way to know.

If just contacting someone gets a week ban... Permanent ban for this on Weevil is not unexpected.

NAYRT

Yeah, I had been thinking that if Alyx had been abusive, there would have been screens of it being shown as justification for what Weevil was doing.

I also felt that exact same way but couldn't quite put it into words about the whole 'blocking = bullying' that the post you replied to seemed to imply.

Anyone is allowed to block anyone. If I decided I just wanted to play FR as a single player game and block *everyone* then I am allowed to block everyone (except, of course, admins and potentially mods). I may never play the site again because I will be too busy going through and blocking everyone, but it is completely within my rights to do so.

+1

People who get mad about being blocked are so childish.

wasn’t it established that weevil and another user alyx had beef with started getting mass amounts of spam directly after the reports/bans? it sure seems like alyx was being a dick and they just can’t fully prove it even though it seems pretty clear tbh

How would Alyx get their emails to spam them? Unless they're the kind of idiot to post them everywhere... and if you do that, the spam is on you too.

I honestly think that's circumstantial at best.

DA

I could see that happening if they commission artists with IRL currency and those artists are either responsible for the alleged spam or shared that info with Alyx in their friend group. It's hard to prove anything from outside though.

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