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An important update:

Due to a specific person being a complete child, comments are going to be screened by default.

This is only temporary, and I apologize for the inconvenience- this is going to be a pain in the ass for me, too, but multiple people have come forward about fears of doxxing, and this is the only way to make sure any doxxing is contained.

(This basically will force the doxxer to make a DW account to post any doxxing attempts unscreened, and will let me more reliably report them to DW staff/authorities.)

Again, I apologize, and will be working to unscreen comments as fast as possible, but I'm only one person.

(Vasemod has had some personal issues come up, so I am the only mod atm. Please bear with me until this bit of annoyance has passed.)

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big agree, but that one in particular is really ugly 💀

i've never seen a well made human avatar. idk, the animal ones for snappers like the crystalline gala snowy meow tiger are cute? something about how the eyes fit on humans look super uncanny tho

You guys, I’ve solved it. The solution to everyone’s problem? Froogle Drive. Flight Rising develops its own proprietary forms, docs, and spreadsheet software stored onsite.

The reveal? A new arlo plot in lightning that just keeps generating more dirt. Once we finally break through, we end up in the sandsurge headquarters and steal their organizational software.

Staff, I hope you were taking notes. Everyone else? No need to thank me, disaster averted.

I'm mostly curious, as someone who's a big fan of human headed creatures; is the human parts on an animal body a problem, the fact it's a human straight up painted on the skin, or a trend that human avatar FR players tend to be insufferable? I'm totally not a fan of the skin they use, but there's a lot of really well designed human head skins out there (personally; your taste is your own!)

i'm curious because another site I was on implemented rules against having too many human features on a custom creation because it not only got a little overboard when a human-head-on-animal-body craze hit and it was never an intention by staff to have such designs happen, but also a very vocal group of active players commented how uncomfortable they were over human body parts on animals. I wanna know if this is more than an isolated case and if I should be more mindful.

I see your point. But then I’d just send to the opposite flight PB for max profits. What should I do, then?

Can I be honest? Both sides of the argument have "stop you're making our side look shitty". See the people Bright is complaining about. On the other side, see Jackaling's nasty "there's no way you can do what we did so don't try" attitude ripping into staff.

I knew UMAs were important money wise to the site but I didn't know how much, woah

I've found (in my personal experience) every person I've dealt with that has a human face avatar has been entitled or insufferable.

Add the uncanny valley factor and I just block folks who use them because I prefer curating my experience on FR.

this is actually what i want for real. please. please. please. please. let us escape google's grasp.

AYRT

Honestly? Sell to trainers, exalt them yourself, and deal with the fact that being part of a team means that this week you don’t make ALL the stonks. Everyone but water and ice got the opportunity to profit a few weeks back, so if you’re in Light or Arcane then you had a chance to make a lot of funds. That’s how dom works - every year or two you have to step back for a week.

i… wanted to call the complexity of the tools being taken away from the community to staff’s attention but ok

is that literally you jackaling

and you had to be an annoying jackass about it?

I've been busy with uni and didn't see this update thing until today.

I just really don't get what's so hard about making lists shareable so other people than the pinglists author can use it, and why doing such would be such a big deal for the staff.

I mean. The function as such is pretty damn cool. I was a bit excited at first, because adding and removing yourself from a pinglist with one single onsite click is not a bad idea. It really isnt! But then I realized those lists were unsharable and because of it, completely and utterly useless to how I play FR, and I was so miffed. So if everyone in say, a subspecies thread where you can ask to be pinged for specific generations of hatchlings or whatever, have to make their own pinglist and hassle with getting everyone interested in putting themselves onto every list of every person breeding for the subspecies, that's just not practical.

I've been on FR for very long, and I literally really only stay on FR to participate in that type of thread. Very often through the years, people have complained that FR staff don't seem to play their own game, and this I guess, is just one of many examples of that.

I mean, I'm old enough not to be angry about it, but I am for sure inconvenienced. And a bit sad, because if they push through with removing mass pings as a result of this, it'll take a lot of fun out of the game for me. And I honestly don't know if I'll continue playing if this goes through, because it's just not going to be fun anymore. FR highlights for me is getting pinged for hatches of subspecies and lineage nests :/

yes :(

i mean looking back my replies to staff have a more harsh tone than i like. i would have polished them more. i did write several other posts w my longer analysis of the issue, so i hope my many words can clarify how i feel about it (which is strongly! i was grouchy) and come off a little more level-headed. i am interested in game economies and i see an important facet of fr’s economy getting kneecapped bc of a lack of foresight. i apologize for going off without taking time to cool off, and for using a tone that felt passionate at the time but is definitely overly blunt.

i can explain my issues with the removal of mass pings but it would take an essay (and i’ve already put a lot of my thoughts in suggestions forum). it’s a complex topic and the community-run pinglists are critically important to communities that seem niche but move quite a high amount of g/t through the game. i love skins and accents and i just can’t see anything official that’s on the level of gasp being worth dev time, which is deeply frustrating. i *only* ping gasp, i barely use the g1/other pinglists, but i know how integral they are to some fr users and i really feel for them. i’m not just trying to whine and be a dick, tho i do have cunt tendencies. i know the economy is a silly thing to worry about for some people (smr) but like… i really can’t say how much it means to me to be an artist on a site where art is valued and artists can be compensated fairly, and i know that skins and accents need gasp or something very like it to survive. i also know that the complexities of gasp are for a comparative niche and an official replacement would likely interfere pretty heavily with dev resources that could go towards features more players could enjoy.

guess i wrote an essay anyway… well, read my suggestions forum posts for more clarification :-O

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Chnage flight for max profit 🤭

Yeah, honestly, I have seen that attitude of 'staff can't replace gasp, so they should just forget about trying to fix harrasment issues and just ignore mass pings' elsewhere as well.

I feel that ultimately GASP (and some other massive pinglists) are going to have to change, but hopefully staff will be able to give a good substitute.

Maybe it would help to look at things from a different perspective than just massive pinglists.

Most people complaining are complaining about the UI of the pinglist so maybe staff should look into some sort of functionality where users can input criteria and they get notified about any skins that meet that (sort of like a search) when the artist submits the skin to said functionality.

(I don't plan to suggest this, because I don't have any experience with GASP, nor do I have any ideas because the above of how it would actually look. Just remove the need for pings altogether with things like GASP)

guess I’ll just have to sell to the other flight then

TBH i think its better for your flights dom program as a whole to submit to the sheet and deny a prize (as long as you dont hold up the raffle ofc) than not, just because it gives more accurate data on total exalt numbers and how many users are engaged in dom, esp if youre a heavy exalter. plus depending on the flight (i know this is how my flight runs things but idk about others) and type of push its kind of unavoidable if youre doing things like attending/boarding/fodder distribution etc etc

Dude, most gaming companies would have given you a temp forum ban if you spoke to their representatives like you did FR staff. They apparently have the patience if saints.

Next time: sit down, write it out, toss your words to a friend to check you, then post it.

There are *so* many comments on their userpage about it too oof

Reading all the posts about how crucial offsite-based pinglists are to people's various FR activities makes me:

A) genuinely sympathize with them and hope a solution is found that allows them to maintain their activities and enjoyment, but also:
B) boggle that something can be so crucial that's so uncontrollable, and that no one has really worried about that.

Like, here we are on a lovely offsite anon comm that's a good and useful space for us to express our thoughts without worry about getting jumped on in a way that's tied with our real accounts. And the utility of this tool has been impacted, and a big headache created for our tireless mod, because of (1) bad actor. That sucks but is not surprising. If you've got 1,000 good-faith people and 1 troll, and the latter can still fuck things up for the former, things are going to get fucked up if there's no way to verify who the trolls are and control their behavior.

So it's frankly kind of weird to me that there isn't widespread havoc in pinglist tools, people adding and removing others to/from offsite databases willy-nilly to the point that they're not remotely reliable for the site-vital roles that they apparently fill. It seems like a fragile foundation to build on.

There's a Steam game I've been playing recently where, in order to participate in certain Discord communities, you have to coordinate with a bot which instructs you to add unique identifiers to the third-party wiki site page associated with your in-game user profile, so that your Discord account can be verifiably linked to that profile, and in order to 'claim' the third-party wiki site page in the first place, you have to interact in-game with another bot account run by the wiki's creator so that no one can do that maliciously.

It's a headache of a process to go through, but understandable, because they don't want to allow trolls to pose as someone else in order to cause them problems.

Do the various self-editable pinglists/tools have similar security? (I'm sincerely asking - perhaps they do, but as I don't participate in them, I just am not aware of it. I believe I've seen it used in offsite communities in a similar way, a mod of the comm instructing you to edit your FR profile so they know the person they're interacting with is actually the user, but I don't know if Google sheets do, or can, have that functionality.)

After all, we've already seen messy stuff go on with things like dom attendant spreadsheets if there's not tight enough security on them - has there never been similar fuckery with pinglists?

Yeah it seems like this person has a history of stringing along sellers and then ghosting while the sellers chase after them like a loan shark. Fuck that shit really.

>Do the various self-editable pinglists/tools have similar security? (I'm sincerely asking - perhaps they do, but as I don't participate in them, I just am not aware of it. I believe I've seen it used in offsite communities in a similar way, a mod of the comm instructing you to edit your FR profile so they know the person they're interacting with is actually the user, but I don't know if Google sheets do, or can, have that functionality.)

Admittedly I don't keep up with every big pinglist but of the pinglists I have seen, No. They are either a spreadsheet you can put your username on, a submission form you can submit your username in, or I've had to message whoever manages a pinglist on FR to add me. I would be genuinely surprised if any pinglists had that much complexity baked into them.

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