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It pisses me off to no end that Earth gets to place top 3 EVERY WEEK even when not even pushing. Fuck Earth for attracting all the heavy exalters from the other flights. Fuck Earth. Fuck Earth so bad oh my god I am so sick of seeing them pass flights that are actually conquest pushing.

who is conquest pushing that earth is passing? everyone aside from water is profit pushing this week, and water is in first. last week arcane was profit pushing, plague was conquesting, and plague took first.

I think that maybe if a flight is pushing at all, profit or no, they should surpass a flight that isn't pushing. it would be nice for flights to have a chance of getting dom bonuses without having to buy the win.

I've decided that since Earth members have so much money and always have dom, I'm just going to charge them more for every service I offer. They can afford it, that's why they're in Earth!

DA
"a flight that isn't pushing"
We all know Earth is exalting, just consider them permanently profit pushing at this point. If they weren't *actively* exalting, they wouldn't be in top 3.

I find it funny when people don't consider that Earth exalters *are* exalting for profit, just because they didn't announce it on dom warch or you assumed they would just stop for that week.

Exalters in *all* flights are always exalting, not just Earth.

its genuinely insulting how some earth players will be like "but we're working for our placement!! we exalt a lot so thats why we place!!" as if they are the only flight doing this. yeah im sure theres pebbles who put a lot of effort in but there's also players in huge flights like shadow and arcane that exalt constantly for money, and their efforts dont mean dick in terms of placement likelihood.

it's also genuinely insulting when people insinuate that earth players aren't somehow working for the bonus and get it just because they're, uh, a small flight? fire has the 2nd lowest flight population and you never see them placing just because they're small, because fire members aren't working all the time for the bonus. plague is a huge flight and they also place all the time because they put the work in too. idk, skill and community issue?

please point out where i said earth isnt trying lmao i made it very clear that i know there are absolutely players that are. but when players plug their ears and act like earth doesnt have an advantage given their size is absolute lunacy

nayrt

retweet anon. I'm so sick of earth players acting like there's not a built-in advantage in the very system of the game that makes it extremely easy for them to place. i mean seriously, "skill issue" alright tell that to your dom team who if they actually had to put in work wouldn't be able to plan a single thing. god help your flight if dom ever gets fixed

cranky because youre not in earth are you

earth members be respectful challenge (IMPOSSIBLE CHALLENGE)

nice try but im in a much bigger flight 👍

found the pebble with nothing to contribute

why, because this thread has contributed oh so much already? blindly flinging insults at earth and pebbles really contributes to "fixing dominance" or whatever was the point that failed to be conveyed by op, gotcha

(also, like i said to other anon, nice try but i'm in a much bigger flight)

i don’t really get why you’re attacking the dom leads now? all of the planned earth pushes that i’ve seen have been well put together and with a lot of fun events. that has absolutely nothing to do with dom balancing. hell, last rockbreakers had an obelisk scroll in every prize pack, and there’s often really nice prizes even in side events.

you can complain all you want about dom balancing when it comes to earths casual exalting, but what exactly do you have issues with about the dom team and formal pushes?

nayrt

It is partially a skill/community issue, but at this point I think it goes farther than that.

The algorithm itself is not messed up. My guess is that's it's pretty uncomplicated and linear so in theory, if every flight had the same culture and level of heavy exalting, it should work.

But because of how simple it is, it is easily gamed. If you look at dom data, Earth used to not be a powerhouse at all. They did not automatically win due to their size.

I guess over time, at some point people realized that Earth could easily be a powerhouse. More dom enthusiasts and heavy exalters were attracted to the flight, snowballing into the effect we see today.

If the algorithm was unbalanced and Earth had a real advantage, we'd see Fire doing way better than they are now. If you look at the number of times flights place in 4th/5th/6th in addition to the top three spots, you can get a. idea of how much passive exalting a flight is doing when they're not actively pushing. This is the work of the heavy exalters who keep doing their thing even without pushes.

According to this data, Fire is a weak dom flight. Despite their size, they have not attracted heavy exalters due to a weak dom program (I have met a bunch of people who left over the past year). Even Water, a strong dom flight, does not regularly place in the 4th/5th/6th spots.

If the algo was truly unbalanced, we'd see Fire and Water placing higher on average than they do now.

So yes, it is a skill/community issue in the sense that if other flights could somehow attract the heavy exalters too this wouldn't be an issue (a potential solution might be individual dom/exalting rewards). However, at this point Earth as a flight has "gamed" the algorithm to the point where Earth had to work hard to avoid going into WvE with fatigue. I think it's understandable that people are frustrated with that, though it's not really anyone's fault.

DA
I don't disagree with you. I don't think the dom algorithm is broken. I do think that current dom culture is broken in a way that is not fixable unless the devs make some changes to how dom works, regardless of whether the algorithm is currently fair or not. Whether that's tweaking fatigue or adding dom cool-downs, overhauling the incentives, or adding something new to the mix.

So many heavy exalters moved to Earth that no other flight can compete on a regular basis. When other flights have to ask Earth to back off during their dom pushes just so that Earth doesn't place in the top two, it's a problem. I don't really think it's Earth's fault. They are just playing the game. But it is absolutely frustrating for other flights. It's at the point where I think most flights throw in a public buy during their solo conquests whether they want to or not just to give Earth somewhere to send their dragons.

Dom culture is broken in the "Hey we found we can minmax by being in Earth." way. Which basically broke the algorithm for all intents and purposes. If you could not change flights, it'd be perfect.

NAYRT but also not a disagreement, just an addition. Any algorithm gets "broken" if the game isn't changed in any significant way over the course of years. If you look at other PvP games, the formulas and stuff are tweaked regularly or new content is added to freshen up the meta.

FR admin would not have had to worry about community backlash if they had been messing with dom since the start - but now because they have left it alone for so long, any change is going to be a big shock, and some people are not going to roll with the punches well. It will be very interesting to see if they let the meta continue in this direction or what they end up changing.

Earth dom orgs do a good job with their events but it's also like they're playing a completely different game than the rest of the flights and that is so strange! I don't envy their position at all.

As a pebble, I just wanna say that I don't partake in anything community wise (except for dom team pings) so if I happen to see Earth in the top 2 ranks of dom I have a MIGHTY NEED to exalt a butt ton for the sake of dragon cash knowing that my fellow pebbles are exalting a lot too. It's a weird mental rush for me. I promise it's nothing ill-willed or anything towards any flight, it's just a carry over mentality from when I was a much more active fr user in Plague 2014-2015 era.

"I don't partake in anything community wise"

As in like I'm not on ANY discord servers, NO pinglists what so ever, I don't check FRD, I don't check the Dom Watch. I pay attention to nothing other than the occasional glance at what is happening on the Dom board and my silly little dragons and making them look pretty

This anon site is the closest thing I have to being active in the FR community tbh not gonna lie lol

DA

Literally same, and I'm also in Earth. The only pinglists I'm on are GASP and Gen Ones, but otherwise, I'm not social on-site. I don't even follow dom, and it's always a surprise (but not, because of how Earth is) when we get first place. It's basically a "oh hey, we got first, neat, time to cash in." I exalt a bit, but not that much (just a smidge over 1k exalts total, since I joined in like 2018?).

I'm just here for the ride honestly (and the Earth aesthetics). I just like my pixel dragons :)

Part of the problem is selling fodder to the Conquest flight still counts for profit pushes and right now water has decent prices. I switched from exalting dragons myself to selling to water a couple days ago so my heavy exalting isn't really counting for shadow at the moment. I know I'm not the only one doing this too

I don't get this. If my flight is profit pushing, I'm going to try to *make* money. That means I'm not exalting dragons, I'm selling them to the flight that's conquesting.

on the other side of the same coin, fuck shadow and arcane for losing their heavy exalters to flights like earth because of their shitty dom management too. they're my top aesthetic picks but i can't stay there if i plan to expand my lair more than once a year

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