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nah the question definitely still applies. is this your first time online? people heavily reference other artists all the time without directly tracing over their lines. it's extremely common and you really sound like you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, to be honest.
let me give you a list of reasons why someone may heavily reference or copy another artist's work without directly tracing: 1. harder to detect 2. plausible deniability (see it's not traced! we just happened to draw the same thing!) 3. they may think it's more ethical because they're not technically tracing 4. someone doesn't know how to draw what a commissioner wanted and decided this was good enough. there are, i am very sure, an infinite amount of reasons why someone would steal art in this specific way.
if you are this ignorant of art theft online, why are you giving your opinion here? better yet, why do you believe rai? the person who stole art, blamed it on an anon commissioner, and provided zero proof?
why do some of yall bend over backwards to defend the most suspicious motherfuckers
let me give you a list of reasons why someone may heavily reference or copy another artist's work without directly tracing: 1. harder to detect 2. plausible deniability (see it's not traced! we just happened to draw the same thing!) 3. they may think it's more ethical because they're not technically tracing 4. someone doesn't know how to draw what a commissioner wanted and decided this was good enough. there are, i am very sure, an infinite amount of reasons why someone would steal art in this specific way.
if you are this ignorant of art theft online, why are you giving your opinion here? better yet, why do you believe rai? the person who stole art, blamed it on an anon commissioner, and provided zero proof?
why do some of yall bend over backwards to defend the most suspicious motherfuckers
I don't think OP and their friend who is the only other person supporting them in the thread even knows how exalting lairs work. For some reason they're saying shit like "Even if it wasn't due to a lack of breeding, immediately selling a dragon without at least raising their coliseum level means you get a lesser overall return." like exalting lairs don't already do that already.
I'm not broadly "on Rai's side", I don't know anything about the tracing/art theft, but I think the AI accusations specifically are bullshit.
Someone earlier in the thread provided proof that the backgrounds were uploaded to their deviantArt before widely available image generators were advanced enough to really work this well (some of the backgrounds were published in 2021, and they have art in a similar style dating back to 2020, when the best widely available image generator was BigGAN... look that up on Google Images and you'll see there's no way it could've made such backgrounds), and that some of the stranger background details were just brushes: https://anonrerising.dreamwidth.org/5172.html?thread=5462836#cmt5462836
As an artist myself, so much of the "AI proof" album is just minor mistakes/shortcuts in perspective or rendering that I've done myself in hand-drawn pieces. Combined with the timing, I just don't think this is a case of AI generation, and regardless of the person being accused, I don't like the precedent making such accusations based on any kind of imperfection in art sets.
Outside of that, I know people have said that this artist has a history of tracing outside the Herbalist Mantle incident, but I don't think anyone in the thread has elaborated. I'd be interested in seeing that, if anyone has it.
Someone earlier in the thread provided proof that the backgrounds were uploaded to their deviantArt before widely available image generators were advanced enough to really work this well (some of the backgrounds were published in 2021, and they have art in a similar style dating back to 2020, when the best widely available image generator was BigGAN... look that up on Google Images and you'll see there's no way it could've made such backgrounds), and that some of the stranger background details were just brushes: https://anonrerising.dreamwidth.org/5172.html?thread=5462836#cmt5462836
As an artist myself, so much of the "AI proof" album is just minor mistakes/shortcuts in perspective or rendering that I've done myself in hand-drawn pieces. Combined with the timing, I just don't think this is a case of AI generation, and regardless of the person being accused, I don't like the precedent making such accusations based on any kind of imperfection in art sets.
Outside of that, I know people have said that this artist has a history of tracing outside the Herbalist Mantle incident, but I don't think anyone in the thread has elaborated. I'd be interested in seeing that, if anyone has it.
The widely available image generators accessible to your average person absolutely weren't advanced enough to make these kinds of images in 2020. The best you could get would be Dall-E (not Dall-E 2, which released in 2022 and was the first publicly available image generator that could meet the standard of those backgrounds)
Here's an article from 2020 showing advanced image generation at the time in a photorealistic style https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/09/25/1008921/ai-allen-institute-generates-images-from-captions/
And here's one from 2021 showing Dall-E's illustrations https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55559463
They're absolutely nothing like Rai's backgrounds. Sure, they could've had access to an extremely advanced, hidden-from-the-world image generation model the likes of which wouldn't be seen for years... but come on. This is much more easily explained by just... stylization, art errors, visual shortcuts. Focus on the accusations with actual weight here, the tracing.
Here's an article from 2020 showing advanced image generation at the time in a photorealistic style https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/09/25/1008921/ai-allen-institute-generates-images-from-captions/
And here's one from 2021 showing Dall-E's illustrations https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55559463
They're absolutely nothing like Rai's backgrounds. Sure, they could've had access to an extremely advanced, hidden-from-the-world image generation model the likes of which wouldn't be seen for years... but come on. This is much more easily explained by just... stylization, art errors, visual shortcuts. Focus on the accusations with actual weight here, the tracing.
DA
This comment makes me more suspicious about the accusations than the artist in question tbh. They didn't trace anything, and you're describing two people drawing something similar as art theft. :/
"someone doesn't know how to draw what a commissioner wanted and decided this was good enough."
So they... drew it. Not up to your standards, apparently, but they drew it.
If you want to convince me this person is stealing art you're going to have to provide more evidence than someone drawing blobby trees and using a bird brush in their backgrounds in 2020.
This comment makes me more suspicious about the accusations than the artist in question tbh. They didn't trace anything, and you're describing two people drawing something similar as art theft. :/
"someone doesn't know how to draw what a commissioner wanted and decided this was good enough."
So they... drew it. Not up to your standards, apparently, but they drew it.
If you want to convince me this person is stealing art you're going to have to provide more evidence than someone drawing blobby trees and using a bird brush in their backgrounds in 2020.
+100
And it's well known that Midjourney and Stability AI directly stole -and is currently still stealing from- data sets from deviantart. If anything I'd say it's just as likely that the AI is copying this person's work.
And it's well known that Midjourney and Stability AI directly stole -and is currently still stealing from- data sets from deviantart. If anything I'd say it's just as likely that the AI is copying this person's work.
DA
unrelated but it's annoying that people keep replacing the entire thread title with SA and DA instead of putting it in the body of the comment. are you new here lol
unrelated but it's annoying that people keep replacing the entire thread title with SA and DA instead of putting it in the body of the comment. are you new here lol
DA
Did they actually trace anything? I keep hearing this but I've yet to see any proof.
Did they actually trace anything? I keep hearing this but I've yet to see any proof.
Yeah, I'm starting to get suspicious as well, because the only things I can find so far are the Herbalist Mantle (which is weird on its own, but their story is that the commissioner provided the sketch, and if it's a one-off instance, I'm willing to believe that) and the allegedly-AI backgrounds (which can't actually be AI because of the upload dates on their dA). If they actually have a history of tracing outside those two things, then I'd probably swing back around on them, but I haven't seen any proof.
I'm OP, and apologies for not sending some deets but I got out to lunch. Context: on FRD someone made a thread about how the chickens apparently don't look like what they're named, first reply is...well. (someone had already archived it woah)
https://web.archive.org/web/20230612225737/https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/3246666/4
Caos ensues
https://web.archive.org/web/20230612225737/https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/3246666/4
Caos ensues
"things are getting heated in the chicken fandom"
Natron, patron saint of getting pissed at whether you call a paw a hand, that science must be right etc etc says that it's ok that the chickens are named wrong because not every individual chicken is going to be breed standard.... While also failing to notice that only 1 maybe 2 of the 6 chickens even resembles the breed they supposedly represent, the others aren't even close enough to even be off standard (like the seabright). They also can't tell the difference between hen and rooster feathering apparently. LOL That's just really funny to me.
I've commented in one of the other threads that the naming is weird, hadn't seen this one. Why is this thread getting *so* aggressive about it? They're just chickens hot damn.
I've commented in one of the other threads that the naming is weird, hadn't seen this one. Why is this thread getting *so* aggressive about it? They're just chickens hot damn.
"Also 500 dragons all wearing chickens? Over a hundred scry templates? It’s been FOUR DAYS since the achievements went live?? Are you ok?"
lol LadyofGeneral is a gorram hero.
lol LadyofGeneral is a gorram hero.
Oh shit...
Anon, I sincerely hope that the progression of humanity and science saves any capacity of your eyes in time. Or, perhaps, you'll have the strength to be able to adapt as it worsens so that the final blow is softened and you can still live a fruitful enough life. Either way, I wish the best, anon. I'm so sorry to hear that. Please take care.
Anon, I sincerely hope that the progression of humanity and science saves any capacity of your eyes in time. Or, perhaps, you'll have the strength to be able to adapt as it worsens so that the final blow is softened and you can still live a fruitful enough life. Either way, I wish the best, anon. I'm so sorry to hear that. Please take care.
Thank you, both of you who replied
I'm already making what preparations I can, I'm asking people important to me to make audio videos of them describing things they care about, and other audio based memories I can make
My therapist had a good idea, to make audio vlogs of my physical memories. Like describing what those things meant to me when I looked at them
It's really painful knowing what I know now for sure
I have photos of every pet I've had who had died, because
I can't remember them otherwise
Things like that, sucks
And I'm mostly more scared of the general .... Dark? If that makes sense? I can't picture colors in my head or More than a vague outline of a shape. I guess the best way to describe it to people who can actually see in their heads is, when I try to thinking of an object, it's like I can "focus" on only a puzzle piece of that at one time
So I can never see the full
image
so the idea of being stuck in that world is awful
I'm already making what preparations I can, I'm asking people important to me to make audio videos of them describing things they care about, and other audio based memories I can make
My therapist had a good idea, to make audio vlogs of my physical memories. Like describing what those things meant to me when I looked at them
It's really painful knowing what I know now for sure
I have photos of every pet I've had who had died, because
I can't remember them otherwise
Things like that, sucks
And I'm mostly more scared of the general .... Dark? If that makes sense? I can't picture colors in my head or More than a vague outline of a shape. I guess the best way to describe it to people who can actually see in their heads is, when I try to thinking of an object, it's like I can "focus" on only a puzzle piece of that at one time
So I can never see the full
image
so the idea of being stuck in that world is awful
it's also funny because i've seen Natron complaining about apparel time and time again. that we don't have this or that, how getting less recolors of each apparel set feels personally targeted because if the right colors don't come out it's going to ruin their life, etc. i wonder how the staff feel about them.
im sure staff has around a dozen or so players that they would love to ban just to get them off the site, but they haven't broken any permaban-worthy rules so they just need to sigh and put the banhammer away
Taking a hit for you as I don't drink.
I also have aphantasia, and I'm deaf. Memories through senses are REALLY difficult for me, so I can totally get where you're coming from. I love that you're taking steps to preserve what you can in the form of audio based formats (in your response to another anon). Perhaps include some physical touch to those, if you can? Like attach a texture to a memory to strengthen it, like if you have a favorite stuffed animal, clothing, trinket, etc. It's obviously not going to be the same as if you were looking at it, but it might help.
I'm really sorry that you're going through this, it's a fear of mine because all of my memories are based on emotions because I have zero imaginative capabilities when it comes to aphantasia. I can't even form a fuzzy image like some. It's just nothing. I don't have a risk of becoming blind, but the fear still lingers at the back of my mind because of this.
Gentle hugs, if you'd like them. Otherwise, be gentle to yourself <3
I also have aphantasia, and I'm deaf. Memories through senses are REALLY difficult for me, so I can totally get where you're coming from. I love that you're taking steps to preserve what you can in the form of audio based formats (in your response to another anon). Perhaps include some physical touch to those, if you can? Like attach a texture to a memory to strengthen it, like if you have a favorite stuffed animal, clothing, trinket, etc. It's obviously not going to be the same as if you were looking at it, but it might help.
I'm really sorry that you're going through this, it's a fear of mine because all of my memories are based on emotions because I have zero imaginative capabilities when it comes to aphantasia. I can't even form a fuzzy image like some. It's just nothing. I don't have a risk of becoming blind, but the fear still lingers at the back of my mind because of this.
Gentle hugs, if you'd like them. Otherwise, be gentle to yourself <3
Yep, that's how I got the achievement too! Kinda thankful, I didn't want to purposely have my team die lol
With an attitude like that go outside and touch some lilypads. You reek of being chronically online.
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