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Re: SA

[(Anonymous)]

"I don’t condone the harassment, but if it comes down to protecting the mental health of a transphobe versus the mental health of trans folks, well - sorry, but I’m choosing the latter."

I think an area where this gets tricky is what do people consider problematic? Sure, a lot of transphobia (and other bigotry) is totally obvious, but I'm sure we all know how there's many points of contention in social justice spaces.

Here's some examples: some people consider using the words "stupid" or "crazy" to be ableist hate speech. Others believe that if someone doesn't actively speak up against something, they're a bigot. For example, this came up once on a Discord I moderated: someone recommended a book, then someone else said that the book had racist content. The person replied "Yeah, I know." The person who complained that the book had racist content came to the mod team and asked us to admonish the person for downplaying the racism in the book and worried that they were a bigot. In another space, someone was called out as queerphobic for expressing concern that the proliferation of labels and emphasis on finding the perfect specific label can hinder a person's identity development and well-being.

Any of us who has spent time in these spaces can probably come up with a bunch more examples. It's obvious that nuance is lost in a lot of these discussions and "bigot" is thrown around as an ad hominem attack instead of actually figuring out what a person believes.

In this situation, it would be up to the people who run the blog to determine what's problematic and what's not, and that situation gets sticky fast. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't delete posts, just that it's not always clear what's going on in any given situation, and it's certainly likely that someone could be labeled as bigoted when they aren't, especially given that the FR audience has many young teens who have exposure to toxic social justice-oriented spaces.

And on that note, even if a young teen says something bigoted, I don't think they should receive harassment. 14-year-olds say all kinds of dumb shit, sometimes just parroted from adults in their life, and I'd hate to see an actual child's mental health be negatively affected. They do not have the perspective, resources, and coping mechanisms most adults do.

Re: SA

[(Anonymous)]

I don’t disagree with you - the mods are very likely to have a different view from me about what’s considered ‘bad’ enough that it should be left up. In my case, I’m talking about straight up, undeniable racism, transphobia, etc. - using racial slurs, saying they don’t associate with LGBT people, mocking entire ethnic groups - all things I’ve seen posted about. Stuff that isn’t really gray-area or about semantics over labels or anything like that. You’re right that they may take a less firm stance that I won’t end up agreeing with.

But I’m not here to suggest where they should draw that line. I don’t actually have a firm opinion on whether they should loosen or keep their rule in regards to removing posts - if they decide to remove any post when asked or only certain ones, that’s up to them. I was more so arguing against the original notion that there’s never going to be a reason NOT to remove a post if someone is claiming harassment, because I believe there are times it serves the greater good to leave something up. Of course, my mileage may vary from yours as to when those times are. I think at a minimum there’s an argument to be made for leaving up posts about known scammers, if nothing else.

As I said before, I don’t condone any form of harassment, no matter how bad the person is - I just disagree that a drama blog is to blame for someone else’s behavior. You’re right that kids say dumb shit. But if you’re old enough to be on FR in the first place, you’re old enough to understand that a) there are consequences to your actions and b) what you post online has the potential to be there forever. We should all be careful with what we put online. Kids shouldn’t be harassed because they’re naive or ignorant about a topic or just word something poorly, no - but they also don’t get a pass on actual shitty behavior and beliefs just because they’re minors.

If I’m being honest, I don’t really even see the need for another FR drama blog - between ARR and SMR I feel like all the bases are covered (DRR is a cesspool that I’m surprised is even still standing, but I guess it’s also there for those who like that.) I prefer ARR, but I’m not that bothered by SMR really - I could do without the non-drama related scrying and dream posts and 28 copypasta jokes in a row, and topics definitely get dragged on far too long there. But for that last thing, I think the new salt blog owners are going to find themselves running into the same issue no matter how hard they try to avoid it. We just love beating dead horses.

Speaking of, as intense and long-winded as this discussion ended up being, I do wonder how often people are even actually asking to have a post removed.