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Re: NUKE THE NAOMI BITCHES

[(Anonymous)]

will it though? idk a whole lot about the Naomi lineage, but Willows kids seem to be bred a lot so i feel like there wouldn't be as much of a supply issue?

ignoring my own personal feelings about Booleano, i do also kind of hope Willow gets locked down somehow. i think it's absolutely nuts that players can play this "ooooo i might only breed this dragon one more time!!! 300kg pls" game and then that not be the actual case in the end (due to new owner who can do whatever they want)

Re: NUKE THE NAOMI BITCHES

[(Anonymous)]

i mean, yeah? that's how lineages work.

even if booleano and prayer were to get locked for RMT-ing, there's about 55 Naomi G3s floating around that aren't owned by them (unrelated, Shian appears to have exalted several of theirs before they were banned). some of those owners have multiple Naomi G3s, some from her different lore/lineage mates (Ignis, etc.)

G3 Naomis are already fairly valuable. even if you think booleano's contest was BS there were still players willing to pay somewhere within a reasonable ballpark for a G3. now imagine, instead of there being the possibility of booleano changing their mind about producing anymore G3s, there's now absolutely no way to get anymore G3 Naomis and the only amount there will ever be are the ones that already exist, guaranteed, because the accounts they're on are locked.

suddenly the value of those G3s is assured because the supply is finite and in fact likely goes up because they're the only way to produce more G4 Naomis of certain lineages.

G4s probably wouldn't see an astronomical bump in price because, like you said, there's already a lot of them, but they'd still see a bump in value because they're the next best thing to a G3 because you can't get anymore of those unless you buy one that already exists. and G5s would become the new G4s.

additionally owners of the G3s would likely have to be more careful with their accounts getting hacked because of the value of their G3s.

my point is, getting mad about lineage dragons and the people who collect them is stupid because, outside of deleting every dragon from the lineage, it's still going to exist.

that and the op anon up there needs a life outside of fr because being allcaps mad about 2 people being dumbasses on the pixel dragon website is not worth that level of energy or brain space. i know this is a wanker thread on a salt forum but it just comes off as juvenile. which to be fair, they may in fact be so jokes on me i guess.

Re: NUKE THE NAOMI BITCHES

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

to be clear, i don't really care about lineage dragons and their existence. i just have an issue with when players like Booleano try to artificially inflate value (ie Shelby is the last child for real) while hiding information (ie willow was actively being sold to someone else), and not to mention how weird and suspiciously the "contest" was set up

if someone is willing to pay 100kg+ for a g2+ dragon just for their lineage, that's whatever. but i don't like seeing these scenarios where it legit feels like i'm on neopets and the expectation is you'll spend hours and hours on an application to maybe get someone's pet (ie write lore for Shelby and maybe you'll be chosen to give me money but also i'm accepting offers behind the scenes)

idk, it just feels scummy

Re: NUKE THE NAOMI BITCHES

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt well yeah, somebody being scummy sucks but that extends to any kind of sales environment. just check out the price gouging going on with certain familiars.

but like you said if somebody wants a lineage dragon and is willing to pay a certain amount to have it, that's their choice?

i mean, most dragon-markets on fr, not just lineages, are a bad investment unless you are the progenitor. because dragons can breed infinitely, that value is always going to be in a state of flux.

"artificially inflate" doesn't really apply here because all dragons have the same site value so anything above that value is already an inflation.

besides it's good buyer sense to not fall for anything that says "limited" because like...yeah. they could always make more.

basically it's the SpongeBob #1 drink hat episode in a nutshell. just buy shit you enjoy instead of trying to make an investment out of it.

Da

[(Anonymous)]

Old dragons, size glitched dragons, 2 letter names, g1 imps if you're stupid rich. Those are the only markets that can't grow supply dragon wise, and if anything, they're shrinking in supply as wealthy users get banned.

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt of those really only old dragons is assured unless fr completely upheaves their ID system and make all dragons ageless.

2 letter names are almost assuredly going to be allowed again at some point because the technical reason for them to not exist is no longer a problem.

g1 imps is slightly more of a sure thing but given fr's direction of "we want you to be able to make your dream dragon" that could very well be next on the chopping block, especially given its connection to rmt-ers and hackers.

and a new wave of glitch dragons could always occur somehow so...

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

I cannot see FR ever wanting to risk bringing back G1 Imps, the meltdown that would occur from such an update would be unprecedented

There's STILL some people out there with a chip on their shoulder about the eye vial thing. FR tried to do a good deed with the Girin fundraiser and some people got upset about THAT. At this point bringing back Imps would get people doxxed

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

would it tho? who would they dox? and to what end?

in any case, i disagree i think imp scrolls would be a net positive for the site and the userbase. it'd tank the rmt/hacking appeal of them as well as allow all players, including KS backers, to have more g1 imps.

i think it'd be at least as well taken as the eye vial update, which was well accepted by the majority of the community regardless of the loud whiners. probably would be even more so because imps are such a popular and covered breed.

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

SA *coveted not covered

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

sa
I'm not saying I oppose the idea, FR just has a very reactive fanbase so I personally don't see them wanting to risk it. Like I said they did their best to be as careful as possible with the Girin thing and there were still people upset. And the doxxing comment is a bit of a joke, but also kind of not, because someone literally got doxxed for dragon drama on here. People have spent what's literally thousands of dollars worth of gems to obtain G1 Imps, it may be a minority but it'd probably be a VERY angry minority

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

oop sorry not sa I meant *ayrt

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt FR has recently banned people who definitely spent or otherwise handled that much money so I really don't think they care, nor should they.

it's not on them to enable anybody's bottom line but their own.

either way my main point was g1 imps aren't a sure thing investment-wise because fr could always potentially change their mind about them and that's all the more reason not to treat them like that.

some other game recently released a way to get super limited item skins that were selling for thousands on rmt markets and it should 100% be taken as a reminder that game devs can change their minds at any time.

and also to stop treating these pngs like Bitcoins (or if you are, treat them with the same skepticism).

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

Well, isn’t it better to make like 70% of the community happy and ignore the remaining 30% who are a pain in the ass about the fictional economy of FR? And half of that 30% are RMTers anyway so.

But anyway, they can’t make G1 imps again because it goes against the (irl) law, I think.

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

it absolutely doesn't go against any law lol? that got disproven years ago and was never true to start with.

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

My bad! I thought that could be true, since some laws/regulations are silly.

Well then. Give us the G1 Imps again, FR!

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

I was pissed at first about the vials because I liked having one trait I had to breed and work for.

Now, all my oldies can have it and breeding projects are dead to me. Ah well. Just means less time I spend on site daily.

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

I think the G1 imps are very different than eye vials. Special eyes can be hatched on all dragons, and before the vials, gave something to work toward whether you hatched eggs or bred the same pair over and over. That was something anyone could do if they wanted to.

G1 imps are so exclusive they have basically no impact on casual gameplay unless you have an extra mortgage to burn on dragon jpegs.

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

I will forever wonder at the alternate timeline where they released the new eyes without permanently changing the old eye colors, and if that would have resulted in less backlash

+1

[(Anonymous)]

I am in fact still bitter.

feels even worse that people still act like the only people who could possibly have cared were some irrelevant minority of elitist whiners.
and don't even get me started on that SMR anon who tried to start hate for users who documented their naturally-hatched primals as being "elitist," when "well if you care so much then YOU can do it the hard way" had been the constant smug response to people expressing unhappiness over the change.

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

I would kill for 2 letter names back. If just because there's a rich asshole that scammed a friend out of a two letter by lying to them now sitting on a collection of them that I would love to see devalued.

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

i saw a 2 letter dragon that was less than one year old the other week, so i'm wondering how that happened?

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

i think i remember hearing that if you named a dragon something inappropriate and the devs unnamed it, you could then give it a 2-letter name or some exploit like that?

i think progens also can be given 2 letter names somehow?

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

Nah. If staff unnamed a dragon, it's the same as any unnamed dragon.

The progens use the dragon creation system from account creation that staff hasn't ever updated.

Re: Da

[(Anonymous)]

Progens are on a different system. Staff never fixed the generator there.

Re: NUKE THE NAOMI BITCHES

[(Anonymous)]

the sale was suspicious but lore contests are so common for lineages that this criticism feels like something from people who just aren't in that collection community at all. when you're selling an infinite money printer, wouldn't you like the money printer to go to someone who will have fun with it as more than a money printer? it's the "selling my house to a young family instead of the landlord who offered me 50k more" of the dragon economy.