anonrerising | Spring into Salt

Made yet another suggestion (pretty sure at least third this year alone) regarding unretiring/joxar box loot - if they shifted at least 1% of their whining time to efforts to acquire the items they want, they would already have been done

honestly i respect the hassle. also i agree with them that putting y1 items on a pedestal is very stupid at best, valuable item-based economies never go over well (neopets and gaiaonline)

they're eating with suggesting lowering skin prices though......the total price for a full set of skins is getting out of control

AYRT
Will never say this off-anon as I'll be eaten alive, but is it even worth buying the entire set of skins unless you're a hardcore collector? Most of them barely increase in price, so there's no profit angle, and at least half of them look totally unusable for me, covering way too much of the dragon. So why buy the full set anyway if it's just going to be rotting in your hoard?

DA

This is how I feel about it. Sure you might have some fomo but I just do not see the point in getting them. Making both the baldwin ones? Yes. Buying all the treasure ones that will not increase that much? No.

NARYT

Some people like collecting. Some people have very diverse tastes. Some people might be hoping that in a few years that skin is worth something. Some people prefer skins that cover more. Some people like to have their bases covered. There is this other game where you originally could only put one copy of an item on a gryff at a time and you couldn't move items out of bounds. There was this absolutely gorgeous set of boulders that were way too large because the entire thing had to be visible. So, I got some sets, and went on. Then, the site got some updates so that you could mirror items, you could move items out of bounds (so you could make only a part of the item visible) AND you could put multiple copies of a single item on a gryff. I have been regretting my decision not to get more of those boulders ever since :P Fortunately the site does have ways to get 'retired' items, though it isn't reliable, and a recent update brought shops where nearly every single item on site can be found, though with a restocking feature. While FR is obviously not going to do this, there might be updates in the future that make skins people previously went 'ehh' on much more useful.

So, it all depends. Some people just might have a use for every single skin, because they like keeping their dragons 'fresh' and changing the skins every so often, so they want as many different skins of each pose as possible.

I also feel that not rethinking the cost of the skins, especially when more are added, could result in the treasure sink being less effective as people not only buy less skins as they normally would have, but just give up altogether on buying skins because they just can't keep up with getting all they want.

(plus, there is also the idea that not all festivals are equal. There have been some festivals where I have barely found a single skin I wanted, others I wanted nearly every single skin released that fest.)

I feel like including investors in this list is hilarious. If they're actually managing to flip the skins they're buying, they have plenty of money. If they aren't, perhaps it's a sign that they're not doing a great job with the speculating.

Or they could be newer users who don't realize the skins aren't going to be worth anything?

Bottom line is, there are many reasons for people to want to get a full set of skins each fest. Other people having different priorities or views on collecting, or the festivals, doesn't make those people's reasons for wanting the full set invalid, or wrong.

.......So they'll learn?

Who said those reasons are invalid? They're just not a good enough reason to reduce prices. If having EVERY SINGLE ITEM is a priority, you have to optimize your gameplay around it.

Would player burnout be a good reason?

Because one of the things that is often overlooked is it isn't even about having every single item, but rather even just getting the items you want, or multiples of the items you want, that can be difficult when there are more skins for treasure.

FR has 12 major events a year, 11 of those have skins to buy. Players who can't afford to get user made skins like to buy the ones from the festivals.

With the number of skins currently, and the potential to have even more, it is getting to the point that it is going to become very easy to burn out on FR itself, even if you don't want every single skin.

This is just if people want to get the skins from the festivals. Then there are things like the april fool's where you can buy extras of the chest, as well as other special events where there are things to buy for treasure.

This starts to get very overwhelming, especially for those who aren't established or aren't able to do the activities that make the most money (coli and fairgrounds) or only have limited time online. This leads to players just quitting FR altogether, because it is frustrating to see all the things you want go through time after time and no way to keep up with getting them all.

It also reduces the effectiveness of the treasure sink when people just stop buying the skins they would normally buy.

this just sounds like FOMO to me

+1

I think it's far more common that people end up just buying the items they like the most

Other fests don’t permanently retire items though, they’re more like cycling items because they always come back. Only the elemental fests retire their stuff. Yeah it sucks to wait an extra year if you couldnt get everything you wanted, I’ve had to give up some NotN gem items I couldnt afford at the time, but I’m here for the long-term anyway so the waiting doesnt bother me.

I definitely understand your point about burnout when it comes to other fast paced games and some people probably play FR like it is but FR just isnt one of those imo. Most things on the site encourage you taking things slowly (like breeding taking 5 days to produce hatchlings or awakening fams taking 90 days) and there’s an event calendar on site for planning things accordingly. Like the anon above said, FR is about focusing on what you (general you) want to do on here and if that’s collecting all fest skins then you need to play around that imo.

Also re: site treasure sinks, if someone is struggling to buy fest skins (which are a few days of maxing fairgrounds) then they probably arent generating much treasure that needs sinking in the first place. Fest skins are already one of the cheapest things on site compared to stuff like genes which are part of the site’s main focus. Whenever site needs to get rid of some sitewide treasure, they just put a popular triple colour or a sprite in Roundsey, guaranteed a million tickets for the week lol

Getting a full set of site skins now costs *half a million* treasure, even with a dom discount. You'd have to max out the fairgrounds every single day of the fest.

Any individual skin isn't too bad, but the full set is burdensome and they've added a bunch of slots without pulling the price down. I know that we need treasure sinks, I'm all for treasure sinks, but even I feel it's a bit much by this point.

(OP of subthread)
I really hate this sort of "gotcha" point that gets brought up - you do not have to "max out the fairgrounds every single day of the fest" as the event calendar is known a year in advance so you can easily plan out your grinding or maxing out over the entire month. I fully agree with whoever said that if your playing style requires you getting all the skins, then *you* have to plan around it, not the site has to plan for you.

I’m not trying to bring it up as a gotcha in the sense of “you have to put in all this extra time and effort on these days!”. I am bringing up that it’s not just a couple of days of fairgrounds grinding. For most players fest skins aren’t the only thing they want to spend their treasure on. Yes, you can plan ahead knowing there’s fest skins coming up, but it takes the skins from being something you could get during the festival with moderate effort to something you have to plan for a lot more carefully.

Ultimately in the last few years the number of skins has nearly doubled from where it was when the site first started with no changes in price. That’s not game-ending bad, and I appreciate that the hatchling skins are cheaper. I just think it also wouldn’t much damage to their ability to act as a treasure sink if the price was lowered overall.

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Two common breedchanges are half a million treasure. One uncommon breedchange is nearly half a million treasure. Or pick four genes at random. You get 18 fest skins for half a million, it actually isn't that much money.

Right now, one fest skin is the price of two or three apparel, that seems about right to me.

Do the completionist users actually have 216 dragons per year they need to put the fest skins on? Collecting 216 of something, yeah, it's going to cost a little.

Except those breed changes are available year round. They aren't only available for one single week one single year and then tossed into an ever increasing pool of items that can be gotten from a box that costs 80K per fest and you can only get one per fest (as far as I know) unless you buy from other players.

THAT is the entire issue. If these skins were available all year, like breed or gene changes, then it wouldn't be bad.

Add in that we also get 18 fest skins for a half a million every single month *except* December, it makes it that much worse. We don't get that many breed changes per year, and they are often scattered throughout mechanics, and not just stuck in the treasure MP.

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half a million treasure really is not that much, do you guys do nothing else but fairgrounds?

Do you do nothing but play this game??? Half a million is a lot for your average player

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my boomer FR opinion is that you need to play the game in order to enjoy buying things in the game. theres a lot of ways to make money - fairgrounds, fodder flipping, AH, hoardselling, coli, etc - and 500kt is really not that much especially when you have weeks worth of prep time. you just... need to actually play the game a little.

+1

I can't believe "Flight Rising released too much content" has become such a righteous argument. People who want content solely to flip aren't victims. It's ironic that investors are part of what keeps the supplies so readily available, and therefor lower-priced anyways.

original anon here you are entirely correct that i am a hardcore collector and love my huge rotting hoard of festival skins in my vault, all i have for an explanation is that I Like It

some of them used to be worth it when they stocked in the auction house in limited numbers

not anymore since the only thing limiting you is the amount of treasure at hand

sa

*marketplace, not auction house, sorry