Getting a full set of site skins now costs *half a million* treasure, even with a dom discount. You'd have to max out the fairgrounds every single day of the fest.
Any individual skin isn't too bad, but the full set is burdensome and they've added a bunch of slots without pulling the price down. I know that we need treasure sinks, I'm all for treasure sinks, but even I feel it's a bit much by this point.
(OP of subthread) I really hate this sort of "gotcha" point that gets brought up - you do not have to "max out the fairgrounds every single day of the fest" as the event calendar is known a year in advance so you can easily plan out your grinding or maxing out over the entire month. I fully agree with whoever said that if your playing style requires you getting all the skins, then *you* have to plan around it, not the site has to plan for you.
I’m not trying to bring it up as a gotcha in the sense of “you have to put in all this extra time and effort on these days!”. I am bringing up that it’s not just a couple of days of fairgrounds grinding. For most players fest skins aren’t the only thing they want to spend their treasure on. Yes, you can plan ahead knowing there’s fest skins coming up, but it takes the skins from being something you could get during the festival with moderate effort to something you have to plan for a lot more carefully.
Ultimately in the last few years the number of skins has nearly doubled from where it was when the site first started with no changes in price. That’s not game-ending bad, and I appreciate that the hatchling skins are cheaper. I just think it also wouldn’t much damage to their ability to act as a treasure sink if the price was lowered overall.
One of the reasons I want them to revisit the prices is because, while it might not be too bad *now*, if (when) they add more skins in the future, if they just slap them in for treasure, it will get bad.
I also think it would *help* their ability to act as a treasure sink if the prices were lowered. Not to dirt cheap, but enough to keep it so that maxing the fairgrounds during the fest will still get you a full set. There have been many people in the various threads on this saying they went from buying full skins, to just skins they might use, to only one or two skins per fest. Which means, the treasure sink has become *less* effective over time. When I first started I used to buy all the skins because I never knew what I would want to use in the future and I would rather get it when it is easy to get than try to get it later. I think I bought one skin this past fest. I am not even sure I brewed a skin. That means that instead of dumping 300,000+ per fest, I spend about 70,000 per fest.
As for why using the fairgrounds, it is because it is a set amount of treasure per day. Typically can be earned during a set amount of time (ie, X will take you Y minutes to do one round and gets you Z amount of treasure). Which means it is a easy way to calculate what most people *can* earn per day. Some people can earn more by doing other activites, some people don't/can't do fairgrounds and so earns less. But it is at least a baseline of what can be earned.
this is where I'm at, the amount of fest skins has significantly increased and the original prices were not designed for this amount. I don't think a price revisit is such a wild concept.
Two common breedchanges are half a million treasure. One uncommon breedchange is nearly half a million treasure. Or pick four genes at random. You get 18 fest skins for half a million, it actually isn't that much money.
Right now, one fest skin is the price of two or three apparel, that seems about right to me.
Do the completionist users actually have 216 dragons per year they need to put the fest skins on? Collecting 216 of something, yeah, it's going to cost a little.
Except those breed changes are available year round. They aren't only available for one single week one single year and then tossed into an ever increasing pool of items that can be gotten from a box that costs 80K per fest and you can only get one per fest (as far as I know) unless you buy from other players.
THAT is the entire issue. If these skins were available all year, like breed or gene changes, then it wouldn't be bad.
Add in that we also get 18 fest skins for a half a million every single month *except* December, it makes it that much worse. We don't get that many breed changes per year, and they are often scattered throughout mechanics, and not just stuck in the treasure MP.
I don't have a horse in this race but jeez nonny, few others have made good points about not buying all skins, yet you still wanna make it look like it's an awful thing that staff is making you personally poor.
Personally, I'm not into skins/accents, but I just brew one of each Baldwin skins and then, if something really catches my attention I buy it. Why buy all of the festival skins? For what purpose????
I kinda hate this expression, but... Art is a luxury, if you want to buy all of them, you have to shell out the treasure. Half a million treasure are in average, 50 exalted dragons at level 6 (if all of them were breed by yourself). I can train and exalt 10 in a bad day. If you buy hatchlings/fodder dragons the amount of needed dragons might increase, but even 50 dragons trained net you lots of coli trash and food that you can sell easily, helping with the goal of 500kt....
I don't have a problem buying all the skins if I want them.
I just understand that it can be a problem where something like that can drive people away, and make the sink less effective due to it causing player burnout and people just going 'why bother'. People like to collect things, and they still like to make progress towards other goals as well. I have played sites where you can only play towards the events they constantly have, unless you are already established. It drives people away from the site, which isn't good for the site itself.
While art is a luxury, the issue is that these are official site items sold for a price set by the site itself. It isn't like an artist who is setting the price themselves for the work.
I’m gonna be honest as someone who does collect the full skin sets each festival - I highly doubt the average player is trying to get them all or that that was ever staff’s assumption either. Most people are just getting the ones they like. Those of us who go for the full collection are going above and beyond, so we have to plan ahead to afford that.
You have a whole three weeks at least to save up for the full set, and with just maxing Fairgrounds once a day that’s more than enough, to say nothing of the numerous other methods of making money (Coli, fodder, Baldwin, gathering, etc.). During the fest, Skins usually end up cheaper on the AH, and if you luck out with getting chests from gathering/coli, you’re rarely spending the full 625kt for every skin. I consider myself a mostly casual player in that I probably spend less than an hour a day on average (outside of events) doing GG and dailies, with occasional Coli and fodder selling, and I make plenty for the full skin sets while still saving for other projects.
Of course I’m not *opposed* to cheaper skins or alternative methods of getting them (like festival currency), but I also don’t feel like there’s anything wrong with the current prices and having to work harder if I want more out of a fest. I also like to get a few copies of the fest items, so likewise I have to plan for that and work towards it. Having to plan and save for those things in advance probably does more to keep me on the site regularly than just being able to get the money for them during the festival with less work prior.
Also, between eventually getting added to Joxar boxes and a surplus available from the amount of players we have now, there’s going to be copies of those skins available after the festival ends. They may cost more, but it’s hardly Light Halo prices for most post-fest skins. If someone can’t get a skin during the fest they’re more than able to get it at a later date.
(OP of subthread) Most of the baldwin genes I sell make me 50-100kt without any input from me as I brew them overnight - half a million is a slow week.
Also: this is turning into an obvious budgeting issue, if you cannot afford something and have no skills/time to afford something, sorry, but "I want" is certainly not a valid reason and I've yet to hear any other reason besides that someone wants something or are feeling FOMO, both of which are personal issues.
"I want every single possible iteration of a skin" is a "Do nothing but play this game"-playstyle. 500kt is pretty cheap for a completionist goal tbh, if it's not obtainable for you, then change your goals to something obtainable. Buying all of the skins clearly isn't making you happy. Just buy the amount of skins you were buying before they increased it, or go modern-only, or make a list of your favourite species + pose and make your choices from there. There's a lot of solutions to this.
my boomer FR opinion is that you need to play the game in order to enjoy buying things in the game. theres a lot of ways to make money - fairgrounds, fodder flipping, AH, hoardselling, coli, etc - and 500kt is really not that much especially when you have weeks worth of prep time. you just... need to actually play the game a little.
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Re: Minor/Petty Salt Thread - McAlli
(Anonymous) 2025-04-04 05:38 am (UTC)(link)Any individual skin isn't too bad, but the full set is burdensome and they've added a bunch of slots without pulling the price down. I know that we need treasure sinks, I'm all for treasure sinks, but even I feel it's a bit much by this point.
Re: Minor/Petty Salt Thread - McAlli
(Anonymous) 2025-04-04 07:41 am (UTC)(link)I really hate this sort of "gotcha" point that gets brought up - you do not have to "max out the fairgrounds every single day of the fest" as the event calendar is known a year in advance so you can easily plan out your grinding or maxing out over the entire month. I fully agree with whoever said that if your playing style requires you getting all the skins, then *you* have to plan around it, not the site has to plan for you.
Re: Minor/Petty Salt Thread - McAlli
(Anonymous) 2025-04-04 12:12 pm (UTC)(link)Ultimately in the last few years the number of skins has nearly doubled from where it was when the site first started with no changes in price. That’s not game-ending bad, and I appreciate that the hatchling skins are cheaper. I just think it also wouldn’t much damage to their ability to act as a treasure sink if the price was lowered overall.
Re: Minor/Petty Salt Thread - McAlli
(Anonymous) 2025-04-04 01:48 pm (UTC)(link)One of the reasons I want them to revisit the prices is because, while it might not be too bad *now*, if (when) they add more skins in the future, if they just slap them in for treasure, it will get bad.
I also think it would *help* their ability to act as a treasure sink if the prices were lowered. Not to dirt cheap, but enough to keep it so that maxing the fairgrounds during the fest will still get you a full set. There have been many people in the various threads on this saying they went from buying full skins, to just skins they might use, to only one or two skins per fest. Which means, the treasure sink has become *less* effective over time. When I first started I used to buy all the skins because I never knew what I would want to use in the future and I would rather get it when it is easy to get than try to get it later. I think I bought one skin this past fest. I am not even sure I brewed a skin. That means that instead of dumping 300,000+ per fest, I spend about 70,000 per fest.
As for why using the fairgrounds, it is because it is a set amount of treasure per day. Typically can be earned during a set amount of time (ie, X will take you Y minutes to do one round and gets you Z amount of treasure). Which means it is a easy way to calculate what most people *can* earn per day. Some people can earn more by doing other activites, some people don't/can't do fairgrounds and so earns less. But it is at least a baseline of what can be earned.
Re: Minor/Petty Salt Thread - McAlli
(Anonymous) 2025-04-04 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)Re: Minor/Petty Salt Thread - McAlli
(Anonymous) 2025-04-04 02:52 pm (UTC)(link)Right now, one fest skin is the price of two or three apparel, that seems about right to me.
Do the completionist users actually have 216 dragons per year they need to put the fest skins on? Collecting 216 of something, yeah, it's going to cost a little.
Re: Minor/Petty Salt Thread - McAlli
(Anonymous) 2025-04-04 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)THAT is the entire issue. If these skins were available all year, like breed or gene changes, then it wouldn't be bad.
Add in that we also get 18 fest skins for a half a million every single month *except* December, it makes it that much worse. We don't get that many breed changes per year, and they are often scattered throughout mechanics, and not just stuck in the treasure MP.
Re: Minor/Petty Salt Thread - McAlli
(Anonymous) 2025-04-04 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)Personally, I'm not into skins/accents, but I just brew one of each Baldwin skins and then, if something really catches my attention I buy it. Why buy all of the festival skins? For what purpose????
I kinda hate this expression, but... Art is a luxury, if you want to buy all of them, you have to shell out the treasure. Half a million treasure are in average, 50 exalted dragons at level 6 (if all of them were breed by yourself). I can train and exalt 10 in a bad day. If you buy hatchlings/fodder dragons the amount of needed dragons might increase, but even 50 dragons trained net you lots of coli trash and food that you can sell easily, helping with the goal of 500kt....
Re: Minor/Petty Salt Thread - McAlli
(Anonymous) 2025-04-05 02:24 pm (UTC)(link)I just understand that it can be a problem where something like that can drive people away, and make the sink less effective due to it causing player burnout and people just going 'why bother'. People like to collect things, and they still like to make progress towards other goals as well. I have played sites where you can only play towards the events they constantly have, unless you are already established. It drives people away from the site, which isn't good for the site itself.
While art is a luxury, the issue is that these are official site items sold for a price set by the site itself. It isn't like an artist who is setting the price themselves for the work.
Re: Minor/Petty Salt Thread - McAlli
(Anonymous) 2025-04-05 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)You have a whole three weeks at least to save up for the full set, and with just maxing Fairgrounds once a day that’s more than enough, to say nothing of the numerous other methods of making money (Coli, fodder, Baldwin, gathering, etc.). During the fest, Skins usually end up cheaper on the AH, and if you luck out with getting chests from gathering/coli, you’re rarely spending the full 625kt for every skin. I consider myself a mostly casual player in that I probably spend less than an hour a day on average (outside of events) doing GG and dailies, with occasional Coli and fodder selling, and I make plenty for the full skin sets while still saving for other projects.
Of course I’m not *opposed* to cheaper skins or alternative methods of getting them (like festival currency), but I also don’t feel like there’s anything wrong with the current prices and having to work harder if I want more out of a fest. I also like to get a few copies of the fest items, so likewise I have to plan for that and work towards it. Having to plan and save for those things in advance probably does more to keep me on the site regularly than just being able to get the money for them during the festival with less work prior.
Also, between eventually getting added to Joxar boxes and a surplus available from the amount of players we have now, there’s going to be copies of those skins available after the festival ends. They may cost more, but it’s hardly Light Halo prices for most post-fest skins. If someone can’t get a skin during the fest they’re more than able to get it at a later date.
Re: Minor/Petty Salt Thread - McAlli
(Anonymous) 2025-04-04 05:42 pm (UTC)(link)Re: Minor/Petty Salt Thread - McAlli
(Anonymous) 2025-04-04 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)Re: Minor/Petty Salt Thread - McAlli
(Anonymous) 2025-04-04 06:07 pm (UTC)(link)Most of the baldwin genes I sell make me 50-100kt without any input from me as I brew them overnight - half a million is a slow week.
Also: this is turning into an obvious budgeting issue, if you cannot afford something and have no skills/time to afford something, sorry, but "I want" is certainly not a valid reason and I've yet to hear any other reason besides that someone wants something or are feeling FOMO, both of which are personal issues.
Re: Minor/Petty Salt Thread - McAlli
(Anonymous) 2025-04-04 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)Re: Minor/Petty Salt Thread - McAlli
(Anonymous) 2025-04-04 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)