NAYRT but I think I know what they mean, normally when a UMA gets banned and recreates, their skins they published stay under their old, banned account's name and they can't reprint them and any future skins are under their new name. 888 had every skin he's made, even on Brightmyth, reassigned to 888.
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That doesn't seem to be true - I can't search by 888 in the database, but all their Brightmyth skims are still listed under Brightmyth https://www1.flightrising.com/game-database/items/skins?page=1&name=&description=&itemid=&display_type=&skin_category=&skin_type=&skin_by=brightmyth&breed=&sex=&color=&hoard_vault=&sort=name_asc&submit=Apply (Sorry for the long link)
And this post in their skin shop suggests they had to resubmit: https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/skin/3225785/10#post_53906917
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just as a heads up, you can't search 888 because there's a user ID of 888 in the game's database, and the database prioritizes ID number over username since it can't change while the latter can. you need to search using 888's id: 670602.
whether or not it's true currently, in an old email between august and undel when the ban was being discussed between them, undel planned to transfer skins to the new account. august posted a screencap of it on his tumblr when it happened.
not diving into wank anon- as this isn’t about them but the mods actions. even though this is new information for some reason discussion is always frozen by the arr mods
“ I requested cancellation for all pending orders of white kitsune on brightmyth so they wouldn't be lost in the void, so I had to send them into queue again.”
refocusing on the fr mods
how is a new account, which counts as a fresh start, able to still manage orders in the skin queue through their previous account?
how is a new account able to request listings in the auction house be modified or removed on their old account?
it’s a fresh start. and that’s okay! again it’s not about that member.
but who else got these opportunities?
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The skins were unlisted because they sent out a load of PAs right before the ban, and the customers were getting errors when they tried to pick them up.
I don't think there is anything wrong with staff not approving/sending out a skin by a banned user back when it was all done manually. It hadn't been approved yet. I think staff should ignore submissions by banned accounts. It's a waste of time. And it was their work.
To be honest, I don't recall any time where that was banned account with skins in queue before.
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and i say it doesn’t matter because it doesn’t matter what the banned account did.
the account was banned. period.
like any other platform or any other member if your account is banned you can’t just ask the mods if they can help you with a few things that were left incomplete.
to anyone else or on any other platform, the answer is no.
fr mods also stated in that screenshot on tumblr, and confirmed by the fresh account, they would have given the fresh account more access to the banned account’s skins
that’s not okay.
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where are you seeing that they would have given the fresh account more access to the banned account's skins? everything i saw on their tumblr was that they were allowed to resubmit skins with edits, which any banned artist is allowed to do. they asked for the new account's username so that people can't get the new account locked by submitting art theft claims. i'm fairly certain JavaMP is doing the same thing with their accents (resubmitting with minor edits), so it's not really a favoritism thing.
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So, asking them to take down auctions that would confuse and upset users because they can't buy them up is wrong? A lot of these were PAs of reprints that couldn't be picked up from a banned account.
Having a skin that wasn't fully processed canceled is wrong? Staff should waste time approving it just to make an item that will never be used added to the userbase?
They can't have any of their old skins reprinted. They have so many skins attributed to the old account that they can only release with changes. Like every banned artist has been allowed.
I do get tired of the BM/888 vendettas.
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For me, this isn't about 888, it's about them agreeing to cancel the PAs, which I think should be standard for any banned user. Their auctions should be canceled, so things like the Auraboa can't happen again.
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these were PAs tho. as in auctions from one user to another.
the auraboa is a public auction. the reason public auctions work like this is so that if somebody gets hacked and somebody tries to liquidate the account, the auctions get frozen along with the ban so that the devs don't have to track down and inconvenience potentially hundreds or thousands of users to get somebody's stuff back.
account bans aren't always issued for bad behavior and sometimes even those are overturned.
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We're suggesting that bans should expire the auction immediately, instead of letting it sit there and frustrate people. Not saying it should still be buyable.
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the devs have already explained why this happens in the pvp forum you seem to be so keen on avoiding: https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/3209799/1#post_53403972
tl;dr it's basically exactly what i said above. it's an automatic fail-safe that occurs when an account gets banned for any reason, whether that be a perma-ban, a temp ban, or a ban due to a hacking attempt should it occur during the weekend or after hours or just whenever the devs are unavailable to look into the situation.
it may be frustrating but the alternative, people buying things from banned accounts that could be hacked items or items being sold due to the account itself being hacked and the devs having to undo that level of mess is way worse.
fodder pb prices ended up going up anyway so this feels like a non-issue.
are you for real lol it's really obvious who is being talked about.
i've also noticed how either you or the other anon has refused to elaborate on what other ways the staff have showed favouritism, or how else this person has benefitted from their banned account on their new account.
beyond... staff canceling PAs that were giving players errors? and cancelling a skin that had not even been reviewed yet?
so yeah it does kind of read as people just randomly shitting on this person. again.
and yes, unfortunately, it is obvious who we are talking about because they are the only ones on the website who have gotten this favor. once again that person isn’t named because its not about them, its about the fr mods
if there were others to point out that received the same courtesy on a banned account they would be named but there aren’t any.
renaming a banned account is not the same as being able to control auction house listings.
and sharing in discord and tumblr that the fr mods were going to transfer ownership of skins on a banned account to a fresh account is also outside the norm.
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…has anybody else asked? like, i get they can control ah listings, but they prlly dont want to always cancel all of them in case the ban gets reversed/because its probably tedious. as far as i know theres no evidence of anybody else asking and getting “sorry we dont offer that service”. so i dont think its fair to call it definite favoritism just cuz it hasnt happened otherwise
I'm genuinely confused though, nowhere did the mods state they were going to transfer ownership of skins to a new account?? In fact they said they couldn't do that, so the skins have to be resubmitted with edits
Like this is just false information atp
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"sharing in discord and tumblr that the fr mods were going to transfer ownership of skins on a banned account to a fresh account is also outside the norm."
Nonny I'm going to need screencaps of this to believe it, because on the Skin and Accent problems thread if you search (TARGET USERNAME) you will find them going back and forth with the staff about how much old skins need to be changed in order to count as different enough for resubmission, sometimes causing days-long delays in the submission process for those skins.
I can believe the mods were ASKED if they could do this and that was posted on discord and tumblr, but there is publicly verifiable evidence that it didn't actually happen.
I understand people thinking that big UMA makers and whales would get special treatment but I have never seen convincing evidence produced.
>if there were others to point out that received the same courtesy on a banned account they would be named but there aren’t any.
like i asked in my other post, has anyone been in this situation to ask for the same treatment? i do agree it's odd to have the old skins transferred to the new account, but that didn't seem to end up happening so i'm not sure what the big deal is.
>being able to control auction house listings.
if people were getting errors, why do you think it's weird that staff would step in? i just... don't understand the logic here. how does the banned user benefit from this happening?
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It's not like it was all favoritism - he didn't get to keep his old name because he was a popular skin creator when normal banned accounts get to have the banned account renamed.
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I guess you're right. I can see the staff's point of view, too; 888 is likely a huge source of income for the site, it makes sense that the staff wouldn't want to drive them off and would do them some courtesies. I'm surprised they came back to the site at all.
But you're wrong in saying that the mods haven't done similar things for other banned accounts. I have heard that they can also rename previous accounts of the same banned user to 'free up' the username so they could keep using it.
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)https://www1.flightrising.com/game-database/items/skins?page=1&name=&description=&itemid=&display_type=&skin_category=&skin_type=&skin_by=brightmyth&breed=&sex=&color=&hoard_vault=&sort=name_asc&submit=Apply
(Sorry for the long link)
And this post in their skin shop suggests they had to resubmit:
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/skin/3225785/10#post_53906917
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)whether or not it's true currently, in an old email between august and undel when the ban was being discussed between them, undel planned to transfer skins to the new account. august posted a screencap of it on his tumblr when it happened.
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)just replying up here again for the arr mods so they don’t freeze or delete the threads about this artist as the often do
this isn’t wank against that member. im avoiding saying their name bc it’s not about them per say
it’s focused on the increasingly clear favoritism by the fr mods
a fresh account is a fresh account. it shouldn’t be a continuation of a banned account at all that’s the point of being banned.
and if it wasn’t well no one else has received that privilege
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)proof: https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/skin/3225785/4
“ I requested cancellation for all pending orders of white kitsune on brightmyth so they wouldn't be lost in the void, so I had to send them into queue again.”
refocusing on the fr mods
how is a new account, which counts as a fresh start, able to still manage orders in the skin queue through their previous account?
how is a new account able to request listings in the auction house be modified or removed on their old account?
it’s a fresh start. and that’s okay! again it’s not about that member.
but who else got these opportunities?
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)I don't think there is anything wrong with staff not approving/sending out a skin by a banned user back when it was all done manually. It hadn't been approved yet. I think staff should ignore submissions by banned accounts. It's a waste of time. And it was their work.
To be honest, I don't recall any time where that was banned account with skins in queue before.
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)and i say it doesn’t matter because it doesn’t matter what the banned account did.
the account was banned. period.
like any other platform or any other member if your account is banned you can’t just ask the mods if they can help you with a few things that were left incomplete.
to anyone else or on any other platform, the answer is no.
fr mods also stated in that screenshot on tumblr, and confirmed by the fresh account, they would have given the fresh account more access to the banned account’s skins
that’s not okay.
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)Having a skin that wasn't fully processed canceled is wrong? Staff should waste time approving it just to make an item that will never be used added to the userbase?
They can't have any of their old skins reprinted. They have so many skins attributed to the old account that they can only release with changes. Like every banned artist has been allowed.
I do get tired of the BM/888 vendettas.
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)the auraboa is a public auction. the reason public auctions work like this is so that if somebody gets hacked and somebody tries to liquidate the account, the auctions get frozen along with the ban so that the devs don't have to track down and inconvenience potentially hundreds or thousands of users to get somebody's stuff back.
account bans aren't always issued for bad behavior and sometimes even those are overturned.
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 07:41 am (UTC)(link)tl;dr it's basically exactly what i said above. it's an automatic fail-safe that occurs when an account gets banned for any reason, whether that be a perma-ban, a temp ban, or a ban due to a hacking attempt should it occur during the weekend or after hours or just whenever the devs are unavailable to look into the situation.
it may be frustrating but the alternative, people buying things from banned accounts that could be hacked items or items being sold due to the account itself being hacked and the devs having to undo that level of mess is way worse.
fodder pb prices ended up going up anyway so this feels like a non-issue.
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)i've also noticed how either you or the other anon has refused to elaborate on what other ways the staff have showed favouritism, or how else this person has benefitted from their banned account on their new account.
beyond... staff canceling PAs that were giving players errors? and cancelling a skin that had not even been reviewed yet?
so yeah it does kind of read as people just randomly shitting on this person. again.
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)multiple members have observed that a standard procedure has been bent outside of the norm.
we are allowed to discuss that.
you keep bringing up the artist name and saying it’s a vendetta against them. its not. you are the only one redirecting the conversation.
they benefited from a procedure being broken that is not in line with any standard set. that’s cool. AGAIN, it’s not on them.
we are looking at the fr mods and discussing how the fr mods handled the situation.
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)and yes, unfortunately, it is obvious who we are talking about because they are the only ones on the website who have gotten this favor. once again that person isn’t named because its not about them, its about the fr mods
if there were others to point out that received the same courtesy on a banned account they would be named but there aren’t any.
renaming a banned account is not the same as being able to control auction house listings.
and sharing in discord and tumblr that the fr mods were going to transfer ownership of skins on a banned account to a fresh account is also outside the norm.
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 12:10 am (UTC)(link)…has anybody else asked? like, i get they can control ah listings, but they prlly dont want to always cancel all of them in case the ban gets reversed/because its probably tedious. as far as i know theres no evidence of anybody else asking and getting “sorry we dont offer that service”. so i dont think its fair to call it definite favoritism just cuz it hasnt happened otherwise
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 12:47 am (UTC)(link)Like this is just false information atp
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 01:55 am (UTC)(link)Nonny I'm going to need screencaps of this to believe it, because on the Skin and Accent problems thread if you search (TARGET USERNAME) you will find them going back and forth with the staff about how much old skins need to be changed in order to count as different enough for resubmission, sometimes causing days-long delays in the submission process for those skins.
I can believe the mods were ASKED if they could do this and that was posted on discord and tumblr, but there is publicly verifiable evidence that it didn't actually happen.
I understand people thinking that big UMA makers and whales would get special treatment but I have never seen convincing evidence produced.
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-20 02:30 am (UTC)(link)like i asked in my other post, has anyone been in this situation to ask for the same treatment? i do agree it's odd to have the old skins transferred to the new account, but that didn't seem to end up happening so i'm not sure what the big deal is.
>being able to control auction house listings.
if people were getting errors, why do you think it's weird that staff would step in? i just... don't understand the logic here. how does the banned user benefit from this happening?
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)But you're wrong in saying that the mods haven't done similar things for other banned accounts. I have heard that they can also rename previous accounts of the same banned user to 'free up' the username so they could keep using it.
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)i really don't see why it matters. objectively what staff did benefited more than just the uma artist.
this feels very semantics-y