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I wouldn't say plague has a bad rep for dom behavior in general so much as there was a spurt of unfortunate attitude from a subset of users on display for the impromptu Plague v. Water fight.
overall, the stereotypes I've got look something like (going in fest order):
overall, the stereotypes I've got look something like (going in fest order):
- light: by and large people who feel strongly about #aesthetic, which also goes hand in hand with attracting wealthier users (since buddy these UMAs aren't gonna pay for themselves) and thus strong exalters. if they were a zodiac sign they'd be leo—glamor-loving but generous; or the (eastern zodiac) snake—elegant and socially savvy.
- lightning: one of the flights that is most likely to attract people who match the in-universe FR lore; the stormcatcher is kind of a love him or hate him sort of deity, it seems. thus: people in microsoft excel fandom, portal fandom, or both. dom is a chance to [naruto fistclench] test their abilities. if they were a zodiac sign, they'd be the rat.
- fire: the few, the proud, the... uh. suffering. you gotta REALLY love fire flight's aesthetic to be in this flight, as its hot mess (no pun intended) of a dom situation is infamous. this speaks to a certain kind of strong devotion in its members.
- arcane: a vast galaxy (see what I did there) largely made up of the kind of people who love to self-describe as "nerdy"; often kind of cringe but in a deeply earnest way that's very cute. don't have a competitive bone in their bodies, bless them. if they were a zodiac sign, they'd be pisces.
- plague: hardcore types who "aren't like other girls," though most of them are too genuinely cool to do something as uncool as actually say they think of themselves that way out loud. they may not all love gross stuff, but they have an appreciation for the macabre, and probably enjoy a good villain protagonist. strong dom flight because, for better or worse, they like the ability to flex. if they were a zodiac sign, they'd be aries.
- earth: the flight that has changed most dramatically over the years, from a small and humble corner of close-knit folks to THE dom powerhouse and thus go-to home for users who consider that to be the most important element of a flight. similar to light's expensive tastes, this does tend to correlate with a high proportion of users who care about #aesthetic, especially with how fashionable earth-toned dragons have become lately. if they were a zodiac sign, they'd either be (eastern zodiac again) the dragon.
- ice: the OTHER flight that has changed a ton over the years: from being the original home for users who valued aesthetic above all else AND the original dom powerhouse, to a more chill (heh) flight of folks who still enjoy pretty things and dom culture, but don't need to be #1 all the time.
- shadow: another large and sprawling flight, this time largely made up of the kind of people who would have enjoyed "come to the dark side, we have cookies" memes in 2010, for lack of a better way of putting it. not the most organized or ambitious flight, but very fun. they wish they were scorpios, but they're actually more like the eastern monkey or pig.
- wind: fun-loving creatives; overall the most artistic flight. this sort of thing helps them fund dom ambitions despite their large size, but they're still not especially dom-focused overall. if they were a zodiac sign, they'd be gemini or sagittarius.
- water: probably the flight most likely to counter your expectations; rather than being a bunch of hippie-dippie dreamers to match the in-universe "oracle" lore, water flight folks are friendly, ambitious, and energetic, combining earth's (and plague's) interest in dom with a more "just here to have fun (and kick ass)" vibe. also a small flight, thus close-knit; even if the personality type doesn't match the lore, the flight nevertheless attracts people who value the aesthetics and lore over having trendy eye colors. their zodiac sign would be aquarius—clever and creative but unsentimental.
- nature: 90% mom friends by volume. nature folks love a good community project, and the people here are indeed pretty much universally nature-lovers. if they were a zodiac sign, they'd be taurus—a bit set in their ways, but typically cozy caretaker-types—or the dog.
ok I felt bad that I left just fire and ice out of the zodiac assignments, even though they both felt trickier to assign.
ice would maybe be the eastern zodiac's rabbit: tasteful and introverted.
fire would be the horse: vibrant and good-natured, but not so hot at long-term commitment.
ice would maybe be the eastern zodiac's rabbit: tasteful and introverted.
fire would be the horse: vibrant and good-natured, but not so hot at long-term commitment.
I could tell you were in Nature because this is so true
Not posted in the wank thread specifically because this is not wank.
To further clarify, please don’t derail the thread by discussing ‘888’ or ‘mythical viper’ directly. This post is not about them, it’s about the staff’s decisions!
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Um. Can we talk about the frequency of allowing sole winners? Initially, I didn’t mind but I think this is the 10th festival in a row… the artists are extremely talented.
The staff should implement a cooldown to be fair to the other users. On day two of the Jubilee posting, they had 12 pages. That’s 120 unique entries not counting double entries from hardworking artists.
It does, after 10 consecutive wins, seem a little unfair to 120 entrants.
To further clarify, please don’t derail the thread by discussing ‘888’ or ‘mythical viper’ directly. This post is not about them, it’s about the staff’s decisions!
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Um. Can we talk about the frequency of allowing sole winners? Initially, I didn’t mind but I think this is the 10th festival in a row… the artists are extremely talented.
The staff should implement a cooldown to be fair to the other users. On day two of the Jubilee posting, they had 12 pages. That’s 120 unique entries not counting double entries from hardworking artists.
It does, after 10 consecutive wins, seem a little unfair to 120 entrants.
I'd also like to see staff stop giving users a win and honorable mention in the same festival. I have friends just so frustrated between repeat winners and that.
op of thread
thank you for this!! this makes me stupidly happy. i would study fr communities as a hobby if i could.
thank you for this!! this makes me stupidly happy. i would study fr communities as a hobby if i could.
how many times does this topic have to get beaten to death.
there doesn't need to be a cooldown because that'll just discourage the artists from participating at all because they'll have to plan which things they'll _want_ to do based on cooldown. no one should be excluded from this sort of thing and the fact that people get so mad about repeat winners is like...weird? imo?
maybe the other entries didn't win because they weren't what staff was looking for? the people who complain about this all seem like sore losers and then if you make it so these people can't compete everyone complains about "lackluster entries" and there's no winner.
can we stop bringing this up?
there doesn't need to be a cooldown because that'll just discourage the artists from participating at all because they'll have to plan which things they'll _want_ to do based on cooldown. no one should be excluded from this sort of thing and the fact that people get so mad about repeat winners is like...weird? imo?
maybe the other entries didn't win because they weren't what staff was looking for? the people who complain about this all seem like sore losers and then if you make it so these people can't compete everyone complains about "lackluster entries" and there's no winner.
can we stop bringing this up?
Basically this.
This might be controversial, but I also think it's more important that the skins/accents look nice than that there's a lot of variety within who wins. Fest skins and accents are the most affordable ones out there, and I think it's good that they look nice. Discouraging artists who make nice skins/accents from participating (we all know they'd earn more selling UMAs) is a bad thing.
This might be controversial, but I also think it's more important that the skins/accents look nice than that there's a lot of variety within who wins. Fest skins and accents are the most affordable ones out there, and I think it's good that they look nice. Discouraging artists who make nice skins/accents from participating (we all know they'd earn more selling UMAs) is a bad thing.
ayrt
also this. fest skins are the most accessable skins on site- not everyone has 850-900g/kt to drop on skins that are usually in these artists shops. and most UMA artists don't offer treasure slots for skins so this is really the only way people can get some of these nicer looking skins and i think discouraging "repeat winners" whos skins look good is doing the casual player a disservice.
i get it can be disheartening to not win time after time while others may be winning back to back but like...these wins provide a perfect blueprint of what staff looks for for winning entries. instead of whining and trying to put restrictions on artists who did absolutely nothing wrong by participating maybe people need to take a magnifying glass and identify just WHY staff picks these entries.
also this. fest skins are the most accessable skins on site- not everyone has 850-900g/kt to drop on skins that are usually in these artists shops. and most UMA artists don't offer treasure slots for skins so this is really the only way people can get some of these nicer looking skins and i think discouraging "repeat winners" whos skins look good is doing the casual player a disservice.
i get it can be disheartening to not win time after time while others may be winning back to back but like...these wins provide a perfect blueprint of what staff looks for for winning entries. instead of whining and trying to put restrictions on artists who did absolutely nothing wrong by participating maybe people need to take a magnifying glass and identify just WHY staff picks these entries.
I am personally not miffed that the same people always win, they clearly have talent and the skill to pull off festival wins so why should we exclude them that other people can get an participation trophy? Do you want less pretty skins per festival?
I would like that they make the artists vistas a physical item that is tradeable, that those don't end in the gutter because the same people win over and over, because that is a net loss in my view to let those vistas go to waste.
I would like that they make the artists vistas a physical item that is tradeable, that those don't end in the gutter because the same people win over and over, because that is a net loss in my view to let those vistas go to waste.
MythicalViper specifically has been aiming for winning all 11 festivals in a row. Now that Brightshine completes the streak, she's not entering any more contests after this. You'll get your wish, nonny.
that's actually really sad. did MV say they were stopping bc of the harassment/complaints? i really enjoyed seeing their skins in the winner's circle bc they're always gorgeous and perfectly on theme.
it'd be really upsetting if the only reason they were backing down was because of people whinging about it
it'd be really upsetting if the only reason they were backing down was because of people whinging about it
even if you don't want people to talk about 888 or MV, inevitably the conversation will turn to it, if you look below.
so no, I wish we wouldn't talk about this, because regardless of what part of this topic we moan on about, be it staff or winners, it's already been talked about before to exhaustion and you're not treading new ground.
so no, I wish we wouldn't talk about this, because regardless of what part of this topic we moan on about, be it staff or winners, it's already been talked about before to exhaustion and you're not treading new ground.
NARYT
Competely agree with these posts.
I can understand the frustration of the same person winning contest after contest, but, it is a contest after all. If the person/people entering know what staff is looking for, and they fit all the requirements of winning that contest, they should win.
(slightly off topic, but this is starting to remind me of the 'dom needs to be changed because X flight wins too often and Y flight never wins, so lets handicap the winners!' discussions)
Competely agree with these posts.
I can understand the frustration of the same person winning contest after contest, but, it is a contest after all. If the person/people entering know what staff is looking for, and they fit all the requirements of winning that contest, they should win.
(slightly off topic, but this is starting to remind me of the 'dom needs to be changed because X flight wins too often and Y flight never wins, so lets handicap the winners!' discussions)
There are 10 years worth of festival accents that contestants can analyze to see what staff likes. I don’t have a nice way of saying this, but I think if people want a higher chance of winning, they should study this huge catalog instead of complaining.
My fucking god have we not had a whole conversation about this already.
OP do you know what implementing a cooldown means? It means stopping *18* artists from participating in the next contest. That’s 36 potential entries you’re counting out. Or 54 if we’re counting hatchling submissions. That’s an entire page and a half of submissions.
Not to mention, the repeat winners I see often submit double entries too. Just because they win more frequently doesn’t make them any less hardworking than the ones who haven’t AND they make up a part of the 120 entrants that you’re talking about.
OP do you know what implementing a cooldown means? It means stopping *18* artists from participating in the next contest. That’s 36 potential entries you’re counting out. Or 54 if we’re counting hatchling submissions. That’s an entire page and a half of submissions.
Not to mention, the repeat winners I see often submit double entries too. Just because they win more frequently doesn’t make them any less hardworking than the ones who haven’t AND they make up a part of the 120 entrants that you’re talking about.
FWIW, I'm willing to genuinely engage you on this. I want to know, what is it about implementing a cooldown to prevent a win streak that will make it more fair in your eyes? More specifically, what is it about a win streak that you think is unfair to other participants? This is a real question I'm asking to try and understand the root of the issue here.
where did they say this??? that's so sad, I always look forward to their entries. I really hope they didn't stop because of the haters.
Wait, does this happen? I've never seen a user get both honorable mention and win. I thought they were mutually exclusive. Can you point out some examples? This really shouldn't happen
nayrt
Talonmaster in the Brightshine 2024 post got both a winning skin and honorable mention.
Talonmaster in the Brightshine 2024 post got both a winning skin and honorable mention.
nayrt
Look at the brightshine announcement post. You can win and get honorable mention if you submit more than one entry.
Personally I don’t mind winners also getting honorable mention, but it does look kind of silly. It would be nice if they included the name of the skin but I’m pretty sure they won’t ever do this because it will be seen as an endorsement
Look at the brightshine announcement post. You can win and get honorable mention if you submit more than one entry.
Personally I don’t mind winners also getting honorable mention, but it does look kind of silly. It would be nice if they included the name of the skin but I’m pretty sure they won’t ever do this because it will be seen as an endorsement
It happened for 2 users in Nov 2023.
It's asinine when you consider that there’s only so many slots for any kind of recognition. And it's even worse if it happens more than once in a festival, which it has.
I mean, there were some amazing entries that got no recognition and then someone got a win and honorable mention.
I mean, there were some amazing entries that got no recognition and then someone got a win and honorable mention.
I don't think there's a limited number of honorable mentions?
IDK I don't always understand why staff picks/doesn't pick what they do, but at the end of the day it's their choice and the contest isn't about everyone getting a turn to win, or even just about making good art, it's about Staff choosing skins to represent the Flight, the holiday, the site as they see it.
9 times out of 10, when I find myself going "why did X win and Y didn't?" X is more directly linked in to FR lore while Y may be beautifully drawn, but it's connection to FR specifically is more vague or tenuous.
IDK I don't always understand why staff picks/doesn't pick what they do, but at the end of the day it's their choice and the contest isn't about everyone getting a turn to win, or even just about making good art, it's about Staff choosing skins to represent the Flight, the holiday, the site as they see it.
9 times out of 10, when I find myself going "why did X win and Y didn't?" X is more directly linked in to FR lore while Y may be beautifully drawn, but it's connection to FR specifically is more vague or tenuous.
The general consensus seems to be that battling every year is exhausting, sure, unless you're Ice flight I guess lol. But we won't have seen battles from these flights in 2+ years by the end of 2024.
Fire (2020) (lol)
Shadow (2021)
Earth (2021)
Nature (2022)
Plague* (2022)
Lightning (2022)
*They scuffled and it was fun to watch so I'll give them a pass.
Peeps in these flights... how you feeling? Do you want to battle? Have your orgs said anything about it???
Fire (2020) (lol)
Shadow (2021)
Earth (2021)
Nature (2022)
Plague* (2022)
Lightning (2022)
*They scuffled and it was fun to watch so I'll give them a pass.
Peeps in these flights... how you feeling? Do you want to battle? Have your orgs said anything about it???
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