anonrerising | Love is in the Air (again)

I happened to be looking around the Flight Rising wiki and noticed this bit in the Snapper trivia section -

"Snapper lore was changed due to similarities to the Boralion species from Valenth, an adoptable site that has since been shut down."

Does anyone have any information on what happened?? The wiki only lists the old Snapper lore, but like, was this a big thing? How similar were they? I've never heard of any of this but I have to assume a lot of drama went down around it...

I found this on tumblr?

https://clovercoin.tumblr.com/post/64544238115/whats-in-a-dragon-boralions-and-snappers

Hit enter before adding, if it's unreadable, you can put /mobile on the end so it comes out easier to read.

https://clovercoin.tumblr.com/post/64544238115/whats-in-a-dragon-boralions-and-snappers/mobile

they did such a poor job explaining what the similarities are, all i got out of this is that they're barely similarly chunky dragon adjacent creatures. and the only real visible proof of this is.... a recolored fightrising skin that isn't even named?

I get how seeing similarities to one’s own creations can feel iffy/upsetting, but OP blew it up more than was necessary. Should’ve kept it a private matter or at the very least, not placed emphasis on the emotionally charged wording in a public statement that reflects back on the site they help run.

The only reason to do that in public like that is to try to ruin competition before they get established.

They were hoping the "FR is run by dirty plagiarists" narrative would destroy the competition before it got off the ground.

The images are still too small to read, at least on pc, and the full-size links are dead. The links to the other breed's descriptions that snapper's supposedly ripped off are also dead. As a resource on this situation, this is not very helpful...

https://fr-rebloggable.tumblr.com/tagged/valenth
found some more stuff, i haven't looked through all of it though

Oh this one is much more helpful than the one above. Interesting. I wonder if this lore eventually got developed into the Auraboa lore.

Same anon

So... what I'm gathering is. A staff member of this other petsite had a breed of chunky rock dragons whose lore is that they traveled around in a dream land, that came out years before FR launched? They pointed out a similarity to these dragons when Snapper lore came out, which had them as effectively sleepwalkers (more akin to the Boa lore we see now) and once the similarity was pointed out this was changed fairly quickly? The petsite staff member however really seemed bothered by this because apparently Undel was a player there and that staff member really seemed to genuinely think that there was actual theft going on and that the story Undel had told about the inspiration of snapper lore was bullshit. Ultimately claiming that the similarity of the ideas was 100% plagiarism and that FR borrowing them was threatening "their way of life".

Sadly since this petsite is now very dead and all the links to their lore lead nowhere... it's hard to make a true comparison today. Other than mentioning dreams and being chunky rock dragons, they don't appear to have been that similar. Not enough to warrant the kind of plagiarism claims they were slinging anyway, imo.

I played Valenth when it was available (it was an offshoot of Subeta and even had a Kumos pet) and, if I remember correctly, MANY of the pets were pretty chunky. Like, there were also chunky lions and other similar pets. Many of the NPCs shared this design theme, too.

All this to say: I think the accusation of plagiarism is a pretty extreme reach. Valenth failed pretty quickly and has been defunct for years at this point. Chunky dragon (even chunky turtle-like dragon) isn’t really an idea either site has a monopoly over.

It's interesting to me that staff decided to remove it, though. If it was just a coincidence you'd think they would've just told them to fuck off? I guess maybe they didn't want the drama, but if it was a reach I doubt the drama would've damaged FR's rep..

DA

What I got of it is that Snapper's lore specifies dreaming as not going into a separate world but as a state while Boralion's dreaming is literally travelling into different worlds. It's distinct enough that the plagiarism accusations are kinda a reach to me but I can see why staff would want to remove implications of any similarity, starting with the wording, even if it was a coincidence. Also in 2013, FR wasn't exactly an established petsite it is today compared to Valenth so it's not surprising that staff would bend over to them, especially since they did mention possible legal action in their first email.

Found the old valenth wiki, here is a direct link to the boralion article, with pictures of them.

https://valenthlibrary.fandom.com/wiki/Boralion_(Adoptable)

I am also a old valenth player, and can upload old Boralion images if people care and want?

There is also a hub on FR where old valenth players can chat:
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/gend/729514/1

Also another old valenth wiki with pictures of all the pets if someone want to enjoy them:
http://alphyn.net/vfaq/index.php

Love is in the Air (again)

Ancient Snapper/Boralion drama??

Re: Ancient Snapper/Boralion drama??

Re: Ancient Snapper/Boralion drama??

Re: Ancient Snapper/Boralion drama??

Re: Ancient Snapper/Boralion drama??

Re: Ancient Snapper/Boralion drama??

Re: Ancient Snapper/Boralion drama??

Re: Ancient Snapper/Boralion drama??

Re: Ancient Snapper/Boralion drama??

Re: Ancient Snapper/Boralion drama??

Re: Ancient Snapper/Boralion drama??

Re: Ancient Snapper/Boralion drama??

Re: Ancient Snapper/Boralion drama??

Re: Ancient Snapper/Boralion drama??