I once made a similar post to the suggestions forum and got absolutely torn apart by the regulars for it... except not for the reason I expected. "It would be too hard to code! Staff shouldn't waste their time and should focus on other things!" Dear random flight rising player, are you a flight rising coder? No? Then just say support/no support if you'd like this to be a thing or not! It's not your job to worry about the backend!
No fun allowed in the suggestions forum.
Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
Yeah, this type of argument is pretty much what I wanted to avoid. Don't get me wrong, I know nothing beyond the very basics of coding myself, and maybe this type of function absolutely would be more complicated than other things on the site for reasons that haven't occurred to me. But if you have to proof-of-concept the code yourself in order to suggest anything, they'd require resumes. And what staff 'should' focus on varies in every single player's individual opinion. All we can do is offer them ancedata points.
(My post was inspired by a suggestion thread on letting ancients wear emperor's new clothes specifically - just as a joke - and checking that thread again, there is indeed a post with the exact slippery-slope pearl-clutching I mentioned. Oh no! If the coding is put in place, people might suggest it be used for other things! Horrors!)
for fucking real. one time one of my friends who plays FR (and isn't particularly online about it) said they wanted to make a suggestion post about adding a toggle that would make it so people couldn't exalt the dragons you hatch and i had to, politely, explain to them if they posted that people would descend on them like a pack of starving dogs
Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
While the suggestion forum regulars can be total assholes and absolutely would have been, posting this would have shown that your friend has spent zero time reading FR's policies and tos. Which is something that everyone should do when they join. A good chunk of the suggestions that get piled on are either shitty ideas, have been posted a thousand times, or show a complete lack of understanding of the site's basic rules. I don't post in the suggestion forums because the regulars are a bunch of ravenous assholes, but I do read it often.
I think FR should add an extra step before you can make a post in the suggestion forums where you have to check off something like:
1. I have used search to make sure my idea hasn't already been posted. 2. I have looked over Flight Rising's policies and TOS to make sure that my idea doesn't violate site rules. 3. My account is older than three weeks (or a better number that I haven't thought of). 4. I understand that once a dragon leaves my lair it is no longer mine.
Not sure if that would actually cut down on bad ideas, but maybe it would make people think twice.
people would whine about #1 in particular and ok ok fair enough the search function isn't always intuitive to use in a way that is actually effective and also sometimes an idea is subtly but meaningfully different from earlier suggestions
but that other stuff + a "guide to making suggestions" that included a strong recommendation to browse to check for similar suggestions… PLEASE
Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
+1. Would also help to make those people suggesting ideas relating to game mechanics actually think about the cons of their idea and how to mitigate it and/or why they think it isn't a big deal for others. Seriously, anything to make the ideas they're throwing out seem a little more well thought out.
As a lurker, the common bad ideas I've seen are in varying flavors of: - I want more currency for way less effort, game balance be damned. - Anything that makes it easier to contact(/harass) a specific user over a game action. - Anything that tries to change someone elses' dragons because it affects ME. etc. I'm probably missing a lot of those bad ideas but they're almost always dogpiled every time by suggestions assholes that it's probably worth staff mentioning those commonly brought up suggestions. Doesn't help that those assholes posting their no-supports on those threads bump them up for more assholes to see.
Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
Ehhhh. Although I'm pretty old on the site and have had plenty of "Thank you for buying my dragon! You'll keep them and give them a loving home forever, won't you? :) " directed at me, and of course it's tiring, I'm not going to fire all torpedoes at someone who just stumbled across a pretty dragon dressup site and doesn't know how much they don't know. Of course people should read policies and TOS, but the world's full of fine print we 'should' read but it's pretty clearly universally understood that we won't.
I like the idea of a bot or similar that checks pending posts (particularly in the suggestions forum, and maybe just for users who have been on the site for less than [X] time and/or made fewer than [X] number of forum posts) for oft-repeated suggestions. Many help/question forums have similar features. It wouldn't take much keyword recognition to weed out 'bond with all familiars', 'relist all auctions', or basically anything containing 'exalt' and/or 'unnamed', and that would catch most of the biggest offenders.
Until then, there's really no gain to anyone jumping on people like this. If nobody replies (or only one person replies by copy-pasting a boilerplate non-judgmental explanation that you can copy-paste onto every similar post) it sinks off the front page in a day or so. Why waste your time when all you're accomplishing is bumping the annoying thread back to the top? It's not like the staff is going to implement them just because you let them pass by without comment.
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Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
(Anonymous) 2023-07-18 05:12 am (UTC)(link)No fun allowed in the suggestions forum.
Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
(Anonymous) 2023-07-18 05:42 am (UTC)(link)(My post was inspired by a suggestion thread on letting ancients wear emperor's new clothes specifically - just as a joke - and checking that thread again, there is indeed a post with the exact slippery-slope pearl-clutching I mentioned. Oh no! If the coding is put in place, people might suggest it be used for other things! Horrors!)
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/sug/3255704/1
https://web.archive.org/web/20230718053907/https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/sug/3255704
Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
(Anonymous) 2023-07-18 12:40 pm (UTC)(link)Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
(Anonymous) 2023-07-18 01:55 pm (UTC)(link)for fucking real. one time one of my friends who plays FR (and isn't particularly online about it) said they wanted to make a suggestion post about adding a toggle that would make it so people couldn't exalt the dragons you hatch and i had to, politely, explain to them if they posted that people would descend on them like a pack of starving dogs
Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
(Anonymous) 2023-07-18 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
(Anonymous) 2023-07-18 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)lmao I can practically hear the regulars salivating at the thought of shutting your friend down as bitchy as possible
Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
(Anonymous) 2023-07-18 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)I think FR should add an extra step before you can make a post in the suggestion forums where you have to check off something like:
1. I have used search to make sure my idea hasn't already been posted.
2. I have looked over Flight Rising's policies and TOS to make sure that my idea doesn't violate site rules.
3. My account is older than three weeks (or a better number that I haven't thought of).
4. I understand that once a dragon leaves my lair it is no longer mine.
Not sure if that would actually cut down on bad ideas, but maybe it would make people think twice.
+1
(Anonymous) 2023-07-18 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)but that other stuff + a "guide to making suggestions" that included a strong recommendation to browse to check for similar suggestions… PLEASE
Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
(Anonymous) 2023-07-18 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)As a lurker, the common bad ideas I've seen are in varying flavors of:
- I want more currency for way less effort, game balance be damned.
- Anything that makes it easier to contact(/harass) a specific user over a game action.
- Anything that tries to change someone elses' dragons because it affects ME.
etc.
I'm probably missing a lot of those bad ideas but they're almost always dogpiled every time by suggestions assholes that it's probably worth staff mentioning those commonly brought up suggestions. Doesn't help that those assholes posting their no-supports on those threads bump them up for more assholes to see.
Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
(Anonymous) 2023-07-19 04:04 am (UTC)(link)I like the idea of a bot or similar that checks pending posts (particularly in the suggestions forum, and maybe just for users who have been on the site for less than [X] time and/or made fewer than [X] number of forum posts) for oft-repeated suggestions. Many help/question forums have similar features. It wouldn't take much keyword recognition to weed out 'bond with all familiars', 'relist all auctions', or basically anything containing 'exalt' and/or 'unnamed', and that would catch most of the biggest offenders.
Until then, there's really no gain to anyone jumping on people like this. If nobody replies (or only one person replies by copy-pasting a boilerplate non-judgmental explanation that you can copy-paste onto every similar post) it sinks off the front page in a day or so. Why waste your time when all you're accomplishing is bumping the annoying thread back to the top? It's not like the staff is going to implement them just because you let them pass by without comment.