anonrerising | Damnit, Arcanist

I have to assume that these kind of comments are being left by Jay. If this isn't Jay, question still stands: Are you doing okay? You are working harder than the actual artist to save their reputation which is weird. You've been spamming salty loria with asks and any time an ask about R is posted, you're immediately in the comments.

Not wrong to defend a friend but man it's weird given how Rai has been acting.

I am glad that Rai finally posted something about all these accusations but I wish Rai would provide any kind of screenshots or something that shows she drew the backgrounds from 2023 that are in that album. Never doubted that she was a capable artist, but everyone takes shortcuts.

I won't give my personal opinion on if Rai drew those CAs backgrounds or not, as I'm unsure, but a lot of the suspicion and nitpicking of details could have been cleared up a whole lot sooner if they just addressed the issues immediately. Instead of having their friends attack anon blogs. Doesn't matter if you feel like Rai should or shouldn't have to do that, the fact of the matter is, had she immediately provided evidence against these accusations, things would have cleared up so much faster.

To the other anons asking about other tracing evidence: I don't have any myself but I wonder if they were referring to the other CAs that Rai has made on Lorwolf. Call to Arms looks so extremely similar to the https://www1.flightrising.com/game-database/item/18813 Brutal Kilt

They are definitely not identical, but it's probably not a good idea that fellow FR players can immediately look at the CA and see the Brutal Kilt. For me seeing this item combined with the herbalist's mantle make me pretty iffy on ever buying CAs from Rai, even if the AI art accusations are not true.

i feel like people keep forgetting that rai is also a FR user
like. it would be VERY hard to just "not notice" that the things they're being commed for are blatant rips from another site they play

Seriously. Uh, they aren't even that new apparel. And Rai likely knows the FR art style as a player.

ayrt
yeah! rai is really good at emulating FR's style imo. theyre not a bad artist in the technical sense, but theyre a bad artist in the moral sense

https://i.imgur.com/fmMJCIs.png

1. Same belt and buckle but with slightly different banding and colors

2. Same belts with tassels and circular metal connectors

3. Same fabric with fur lining, but with different colors. One could argue that the pattern on the cloth is also similar. Simple linear pattern along the edge in a light grey with dots.

4. Same black fur with bird skull around shoulder/neck area

5. Same ragged fabric coming out from under the black fur

Items are Brutal Kilt and Carapace Arm. Rai's CA is called Call to Arms. Items modeled on a Skydancer Male flipped horizontally to show in similar posing.

5 points of similarity is a lot. Even if R did not use AI to procedure backgrounds, I cannot support an artist who so blatantly copies the work of others. In my experience, when an artist is caught lying or acting suspicious around the topic of art theft, there is a reason. I have no doubts that there are more examples that people simply haven't found the original references for. At this point every CA they've made should be called into question.

Da

This isn't stolen or traced art. The artist clearly took the main elements of the design from the FR apparel and drew their own LW version. If they were trying to deny the fact that their design is based off of FR apparel then that's rude as hell, but this still isn't stealing someone else's lines by tracing in the way you're trying to make it out to be.

da

nobody is even saying that this is traced stuff what are you on about. like personally i think this is in a gray area and kiinda sketchy but this post isnt saying this is tracing. stolen doesn't just mean tracing.

stolen doesn't just mean tracing.

Do you mean that they 'stole' ideas and elements for the design of the outfit then? Because that's a whole different area from 'stolen' art, which usually always refers to tracing or manipulating the original image.

like i said personally idfk or care at this point but you do know that stealing designs is A Things. god forbid someone use the wrong term when talking about the multifaceted and nuanced subject of art theft

Lmao well yeah if you're accusing someone of art theft then I would expect there to be art theft, which you seem to not understand the basic definition of.

since when did i become the accuser??

SA

I didn't say traced, nor did I imply that Rai traced that CA.

If you don't think that this type of art theft is a big deal, that's ok. Everyone has different opinions. However I find it to be really dishonest to create things like this CA without being honest where you directly drew inspiration from, when you copy it to this degree. Especially when the original reference is also an apparel item from a rival pet site. I do not think that inspiration needs to always be credited, but you cannot deny that Rai directly copied multiple aspects of these apparel pieces.

Lorwolf should not host custom apparel created in this manner, and I think it is important to establish the context that this is now the second time that Rai has drawn custom apparel that is largely copying another artist's work, and was not upfront about it. From what I've seen, nothing has been shown that establishes that the so-called commissioner existed for Herbalist Mantle.

Myself and others would not want to commission to monetarily support an artist that behaves like this. If you think this behavior is acceptable, you should continue to support Rai. And that's ok.

SA

Stolen may not also been the best word but I think the not so ethical concerns are there ignoring my word choice. English is not my mother tongue sorry!

Nonny, you're literally posting in support of the op in a thread titled "STOLEN ART PROOF". That's a long way away from 'concerns about an artist's design choices being similar to FR apparel'.

SA

It's embarrassing and sus if they didn't cite FR as the inspiration for their extremely similar design, but this is still not a copied or manipulated image, which has been the understood definition of "stolen art" for a long time.

ayrt

What? I have no idea what you're trying to say or it even matters. It doesn't matter what words I use. I think what Rai is doing with her artwork to be unethical and that others should know so they can decide if they want to support her art or not.

I posted in this thread because the anon that I replied to mentioned that other anons were asking about proof of other tracing. They acknowledged that while not traced, people may be talking about how the Call to Arms CA is very similar to an already existing FR apparel. I recognized that not only the kilt but the shoulder guard was also an FR apparel item and decided to contribute so that others knew what was being talked about with visual references.

Why are you being so pedantic? Does it really matter that I said stolen instead of copied? Rai's actions have not changed.

"It doesn't matter what words I use"

Yeah I can see there's not much point in trying to explain this to you lol

Apparently not, you didn't even try. I am sure you feel very smart and proud by all that you accomplished here. Great job! :)

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This is clearly inspiration, not copying. If it was copying it'd be a 1:1 replica of the apparel.

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This clearly isn't a copy.

While I don't like the idea of a user heavily basing designs on another pet site's design work and think Lorwolf shouldn't allow it...

I think you're using the wrong terms here. This isn't exactly art theft, and you really ruin a legitimate complaint calling it that.

I may use art theft too commonly but I am used to the term being used as an umbrella in art communities to also in compass artists who copy another artist's work through heavily referencing. Maybe this is different in other art communities.

I cannot edit posts here, but I feel that the image speaks for itself and don't think small wording errors ruins anything? I may have too much faith in onlookers to use their brain to review the image and text provided and come to their own choices about if they think artists doing this is okay or not.

Nonny's giving off massive "OC DO NOT STEAL" vibes with this take

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ngl this made me laugh nonny. i do see the similarities pointed out in ayrt but similarities =/= theft and its a bit funny that ppl are getting so up in arms about it. dude its a belt and a skull

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Seriously lol

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