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Yeah, that was my bad in phrasing. I'd had a draft that made it clearer before, but it was more than twice as long as the version I ended up settling with in the end (which is already probably still too long, but I'm a mess lol), and in the cutting process I unfortunately cut the part about this comm (and this instance of LW specifically) being pretty good about it (minus a specific singular anon), and that I was talking more broadly about historical trends across multiple launches of different sites and the pitchforks directed to them. I'd thought I had it in multiple places (because half the other stuff I'd cut was repeated multiple times), but it seems not to have survived. My apologies; I really should have double checked and made sure the specificity stayed in. ><
Huh, I hadn't really heard of Clanheart, which kind of surprises me. Might be a good read-up for me someday when I'm bored. Makes sense to be wary of early access (or the FR genre equivalent) games though, so I get that. Thank you for sharing your perspective.
Huh, I hadn't really heard of Clanheart, which kind of surprises me. Might be a good read-up for me someday when I'm bored. Makes sense to be wary of early access (or the FR genre equivalent) games though, so I get that. Thank you for sharing your perspective.
To be fair, I would say that all of those fall under the "plenty of completely valid reasons to dislike the site" that I had mentioned. There are those reasons and more (overly simple genes currently, not liking wolves, too large of a colour wheel, disliking the food/stamina system, disliking timers in general, etc.) to dislike the site and/or enjoy seeing it misstep, and that wasn't really what I was questioning. To me, that makes sense. My post was largely directed at/about people who didn't have specific reasons they disliked LW (or its predecessors), but still wanted it to fail. I tried to make that distinction clear, but I probably could've done better.
Having not played until launch, it's definitely discouraging to see that more things than I was aware of have gone overlooked and unfixed for so long. (I knew some, but not all.) Hopefully the new community manager will help with that, though only more time will tell.
Having not played until launch, it's definitely discouraging to see that more things than I was aware of have gone overlooked and unfixed for so long. (I knew some, but not all.) Hopefully the new community manager will help with that, though only more time will tell.
The cross-site trading has honestly been pretty even, tbf. There's a lot of KS items available for gems that aren't really moving in the market (FR favored), but wolves are going for insane gem prices on a semi-regular basis (arguably pretty even), and it's nearly impossible to exchange gems for moonstones (HEAVILY LW favored, though that's to be expected with premium currency on a new game vs one that's been around 10 years). So it doesn't really seem to be that it's a one-way LW->FR, and more that different markets are moving in different directions.
Definitely agree that it's not going to kill FR, don't get me wrong, but I do feel that it's fair to consider it a threat in that it's a growing competitor (not in terms of like, "X game is gonna be the Y game killer!" but in terms of taking a portion of marketshare that FR had a virtual monopoly on previously). How many people bought moonstones with $$$ that would've otherwise put that into gems? Probably not a ton, but definitely more than none. A competitor doesn't have to be a lethal threat to still spur competition within a market and get market players trying to draw eyeballs back to them specifically.
Definitely agree that it's not going to kill FR, don't get me wrong, but I do feel that it's fair to consider it a threat in that it's a growing competitor (not in terms of like, "X game is gonna be the Y game killer!" but in terms of taking a portion of marketshare that FR had a virtual monopoly on previously). How many people bought moonstones with $$$ that would've otherwise put that into gems? Probably not a ton, but definitely more than none. A competitor doesn't have to be a lethal threat to still spur competition within a market and get market players trying to draw eyeballs back to them specifically.
If you'd look at any of the recent drama exemplifying developer/moderator [mis]behavior, and then looked at all the longstanding quality control issues and lack of developer communication with users, you would indeed understand why some people expect the game to fail.
I think you're being too generous.
Not sure how actively you've been involved in the LW to FR cross-site trading market, but it's not as active as you're making it out to be. There is a very heavy offset of people trying to trade for FR, compared to those trying to trade in the reverse.
Not sure how actively you've been involved in the LW to FR cross-site trading market, but it's not as active as you're making it out to be. There is a very heavy offset of people trying to trade for FR, compared to those trying to trade in the reverse.
I've been wondering if it was more visible and loud than actually active.
ayrt
I was mostly writing all that out for anyone who was reading along and didn't know about the game, sorry that I sounded condescending!
I honestly missed all the questionable behavior because I tended to play listening to podcasts and stuff so I only followed the region chat sporadically. The little I did pay attention to, no one got weird beyond sometimes venting about real life, and everyone always treated me well.
Also, oh no. I was sad when I realized my starter pets were too weak for the later areas, I don't like the idea that max/super max could become non-optional. Also so much of the world map is still unexplored that I figured as the level caps got raised it would be less taxing to explore and battle enemies.
I actually keep falling off regular play because grinding is rough on my wrists, and found the money you get from pet missions just not enough to get the stuff I wanted. Even completing the daily tasks for the festivals is too much for me now.
I hope whatever new version of the game is better in that sense, because I really like the game, I just physically can't keep up right now, haha.
I was mostly writing all that out for anyone who was reading along and didn't know about the game, sorry that I sounded condescending!
I honestly missed all the questionable behavior because I tended to play listening to podcasts and stuff so I only followed the region chat sporadically. The little I did pay attention to, no one got weird beyond sometimes venting about real life, and everyone always treated me well.
Also, oh no. I was sad when I realized my starter pets were too weak for the later areas, I don't like the idea that max/super max could become non-optional. Also so much of the world map is still unexplored that I figured as the level caps got raised it would be less taxing to explore and battle enemies.
I actually keep falling off regular play because grinding is rough on my wrists, and found the money you get from pet missions just not enough to get the stuff I wanted. Even completing the daily tasks for the festivals is too much for me now.
I hope whatever new version of the game is better in that sense, because I really like the game, I just physically can't keep up right now, haha.
I honestly thought the site-to-site trades were more or less equal, going by the threads on Items sales talk about both wanting lorwolf stuff and fr stuff.
The problem is, I see a lot of them sitting there, no replies or changes in inventory, being bumped
yeah... tiger on Aethers would be pretty dope :)
thanks dear anon. I really needed to hear that and i hope the same for you too, bud
I've sold a lot of my moonstones and all of 4 digit wild wolves. I just have a few 5 digit WW's and a handful of moonstones left. Not holding much hope of selling items, but eh. I've made like 10kg.
A lot of my sales were done via PMs.
A lot of my sales were done via PMs.
Oh, I didn't think you were condenscending, just saying I agree with you.
It wasn't so much weird, but one of them fairly commonly would speak in a different language (which was against the rules) and a few of their stances that they stated in Region chat just made me not really surprised when I heard of some of the things they were accused of.
Same here, I only get on to make sure my pets are fed, and see what the new updates are, and then I log off. I definitely agree with you, it is way too grindy but I do like the game. I like the pets, I like the vague story line, and I like how the LG is neoquest-esque (which I loved). But, no motivation for doing it, because it doesn't seem to really get anywhere.
I am really hoping that the developer reconsiders (or I read what he wrote wrong) the idea that the 'end game' areas have to be made with max and super max stats in mind, especially since a lot of the breeders have been banned or they left, or just aren't interested in the months long frustration of breeding max stat pets and then trying to get a good looking pet with wild stats.
It wasn't so much weird, but one of them fairly commonly would speak in a different language (which was against the rules) and a few of their stances that they stated in Region chat just made me not really surprised when I heard of some of the things they were accused of.
Same here, I only get on to make sure my pets are fed, and see what the new updates are, and then I log off. I definitely agree with you, it is way too grindy but I do like the game. I like the pets, I like the vague story line, and I like how the LG is neoquest-esque (which I loved). But, no motivation for doing it, because it doesn't seem to really get anywhere.
I am really hoping that the developer reconsiders (or I read what he wrote wrong) the idea that the 'end game' areas have to be made with max and super max stats in mind, especially since a lot of the breeders have been banned or they left, or just aren't interested in the months long frustration of breeding max stat pets and then trying to get a good looking pet with wild stats.
As someone who usually finds Shadow primal very uncomfortable to look at? Please do not feel bad or feel like you can't show off your dragon or use her as your avatar! It's very considerate of you to worry about it (and I'm sorry people have been very... rabid about it recently) but tbh it's a part of the game and IMO it's my responsibility to look away when I see something that causes me discomfort.
Weird, I think these are some of the best fest skins we've seen in a while
AYRT. I've been pretty actively involved in it, mostly on the FR->LW end (since I'm pretty much set for life on FR wealth.)
As someone who's been trying to trade gems -> MS and competing with about 5-6 other threads of the same recognizable users who have also been trying to do the same for quite some time, I have found the demand greatly exceeds supply in that regard, hence saying it was so difficult to find. (It's also driven up the ratio, but people still aren't selling MS to G very commonly even when offering the best rates in ibaz.)
WWs are extremely subjective, but I've been seeing a bunch change hands. Difficulty with that is that because it's such a subjective thing, it's hard to say whether the ones that don't sell are because there's no interest, because they were priced too high for their actual value, or because they're just not finding the eyes of the right people to find them worth buying.
LW KS items, as I said, have been mostly languishing but I've seen a few sales here and there, and I've been seeing them fairly commonly used in larger ticket sales as item-to-item transactions.
My summary of "There's a lot of KS items available for gems that aren't really moving in the market (FR favored), but wolves are going for insane gem prices on a semi-regular basis (arguably pretty even), and it's nearly impossible to exchange gems for moonstones (HEAVILY LW favored, though that's to be expected with premium currency on a new game vs one that's been around 10 years). So it doesn't really seem to be that it's a one-way LW->FR, and more that different markets are moving in different directions." still stands as an accurate summary of what I've seen.
As someone who's been trying to trade gems -> MS and competing with about 5-6 other threads of the same recognizable users who have also been trying to do the same for quite some time, I have found the demand greatly exceeds supply in that regard, hence saying it was so difficult to find. (It's also driven up the ratio, but people still aren't selling MS to G very commonly even when offering the best rates in ibaz.)
WWs are extremely subjective, but I've been seeing a bunch change hands. Difficulty with that is that because it's such a subjective thing, it's hard to say whether the ones that don't sell are because there's no interest, because they were priced too high for their actual value, or because they're just not finding the eyes of the right people to find them worth buying.
LW KS items, as I said, have been mostly languishing but I've seen a few sales here and there, and I've been seeing them fairly commonly used in larger ticket sales as item-to-item transactions.
My summary of "There's a lot of KS items available for gems that aren't really moving in the market (FR favored), but wolves are going for insane gem prices on a semi-regular basis (arguably pretty even), and it's nearly impossible to exchange gems for moonstones (HEAVILY LW favored, though that's to be expected with premium currency on a new game vs one that's been around 10 years). So it doesn't really seem to be that it's a one-way LW->FR, and more that different markets are moving in different directions." still stands as an accurate summary of what I've seen.
OP/poster of the "Different markets moving in different ways" post -- it really depends on what you're looking at.
LW KS items for gems are moving very slowly, but people willing to do LWKS for FR items is moving reasonably. The REALLY hard items to get like the alpha Golden Unicorn has been selling reliably the few times it shows up, and Bracchus scrolls are hit or miss depending on price point.
Wild wolves, when not priced extortionately (random-color 5d for $50 worth of gems) are hit or miss on sales, but as another user pointed out, they're not unreliable in that regard. I've made a few purchases and sales myself, and know several people who have as well.
Moonstones sales for gems are being devoured near instantly (or so it feels like), while threads buying Moonstones with Gems are fighting amongst each other for the almost non-existent supply.
So it really depends on what market you're looking at, as I said originally. Some things are FR favored and get bumped with no changes (especially people with outdated prices like people trying to sell LWKS for 10kg when the price is closer to 5 now), while some things are LW favored and get bumped without any success (threads trying to buy ms with gems).
LW KS items for gems are moving very slowly, but people willing to do LWKS for FR items is moving reasonably. The REALLY hard items to get like the alpha Golden Unicorn has been selling reliably the few times it shows up, and Bracchus scrolls are hit or miss depending on price point.
Wild wolves, when not priced extortionately (random-color 5d for $50 worth of gems) are hit or miss on sales, but as another user pointed out, they're not unreliable in that regard. I've made a few purchases and sales myself, and know several people who have as well.
Moonstones sales for gems are being devoured near instantly (or so it feels like), while threads buying Moonstones with Gems are fighting amongst each other for the almost non-existent supply.
So it really depends on what market you're looking at, as I said originally. Some things are FR favored and get bumped with no changes (especially people with outdated prices like people trying to sell LWKS for 10kg when the price is closer to 5 now), while some things are LW favored and get bumped without any success (threads trying to buy ms with gems).
Not anon you replied to, but this is fascinating, thank you for the data.
If wolf customization leads to cooler/prettier wolves at some point, LW might have some staying power.
If wolf customization leads to cooler/prettier wolves at some point, LW might have some staying power.
now that we have lair tabs is that "pick a favorite from each page" thread in drs supposed to work like "pick a fave from each page of each tab" or just "pick a fave from each tab"? I had assumed it was the former but then the next person in the chain used the latter, so now I'm feeling real dumb for putting in like half an hour of extra effort (for context yes I am *incredibly* slow at doing those kinds of writeups, orz) when it apparently wasn't needed
I think it would kind of depend on how many pages and tabs the person has. If they've got 5-6 dragons per page artificially extending the number of dragons someone has to pick, then I'd say just pick one per tab. If they have everything as condensed as possible, sure, picking one per page per tab works. Kinda down to subjective taste, really.
Yeah, it's honestly been really interesting to watch LW specifically. Trades are a lot more even and long-lived than most other sites I've seen released. When Furvilla released, the first 24h was basically 100% FR->FV, but after the second or third day, it was almost entirely reversed to be FV->FR. DV I was paying a bit less attention to, but seem to remember a few friends saying that turned within a week to be mostly DV->FR. LW by comparison has had a really interesting diversity in that it really depends on what market you're looking at, and most of them have remained relatively stable across the last month-ish.
I think, personally, it points to LW having staying power barring some sort of active colossal fuck-up that sends people away in droves (nerfing WW encounter rate looked like it had potential but also felt like people overreacting, and it was reverted within hours). It'll be interesting to see how it goes.
I think, personally, it points to LW having staying power barring some sort of active colossal fuck-up that sends people away in droves (nerfing WW encounter rate looked like it had potential but also felt like people overreacting, and it was reverted within hours). It'll be interesting to see how it goes.
NOt sure this is the right place to ask this, but the name Alaunis sounds familiar, as in they have been associated with another pet site? But, I can't remember, and it could just be a case of a similiar sounding/looking name getting mixed up in my brain.
So, does anyone know if the head developer of Lorwolf has worked on/been part of other sites?
So, does anyone know if the head developer of Lorwolf has worked on/been part of other sites?
In LW's favor, the daily activities are arranged so that you can do as little or as much as you want, provided you have the time, and it doesn't punish you for not logging in every day -- on the contrary, the wolves recover stamina on their own over time.
If enough people join and start spending real money to buy currency and put that into circulation, it might get closer to FR's levels of feasibility of acquiring premium currency without spending money.
If enough people join and start spending real money to buy currency and put that into circulation, it might get closer to FR's levels of feasibility of acquiring premium currency without spending money.
Few things give me as much pleasure as knowing that Harmonywish (known pain the ass accent reseller) really, really wants a skincent I have but will never sell- and they'll likely never get a copy for themselves.
Try reselling your way into getting THAT, you fucker.
Try reselling your way into getting THAT, you fucker.
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