If they had just said ‘sorry, I didn’t realize what I had used - thank you for letting me know and I’ll make sure to pay better attention next time’ or something, this would have blown over on the first post and no one would have given them a second thought. But they had to get overly defensive and condescending instead, and have now possibly Streisand Effected themselves into an underage ban lmao.
Worth noting that idk how recently their toyhouse has been updated, but I found it and idk how up to date it is, but they last logged into it 11 days ago: https://toyhou.se/ErrorTahr/stats (one of the nicknames they have listed on their tumblr, so it's still very public information)
If they just never updated their age when they made it (2021) then they don't have an underage account, but should be old enough by now to know to check sources (and to not be all "heres a template to use when i do something wrong" instead of admitting their failure to do due diligence)
If their age on it IS up to date, then they've been EXTREMELY underage on both tumblr and fr at the time of their registration (both are 13+)
They've mentioned having 5 certifications which isn't necessarily an indicator of age (and ServSafe has no age requirement) but I honestly think should be taken as indicators of expected maturity, does that make sense lmao. Like if they mentioned them on their tumblr blog publicly (https://www.tumblr.com/radiation-risk/790635272759017473/actual-intro-post-ive-gone-4-years-without-one?source=share) I think they want them to be taken seriously (and they sort of fit into the "overshare aspects of life" tumblr archetype).
I definitely don't want to dox them or anything they've just made a LOT of questionable things public that could give mods reason to suspect their age. The only things I've looked at are their tumblr, toyhouse, and FR (all public and all information they volunteer up front. like the certifications and nickname that's their toyhouse alias are their pinned post on tumblr?)
Either they're too young to have an FR account "legally", or they're old enough to take accountability and not deflect. They can't have it both ways.
> I think they want them to be taken seriously (and they sort of fit into the "overshare aspects of life" tumblr archetype).
yeah this is why i brought up their potential age and why i think they're young. they strike me as someone who is under 18 and perhaps a bit naive/socially unaware. definitely not an excuse but more ahh yes i can understand how a young person might make these mistakes and might not understand why people wouldn't privately confront them about nazi symbolism
straight up have done similar things (not related to nazi symbolism lol more like being socially unaware) at a young internet age and i'll randomly remember them in cringe horror
AYRT SAME LMAOOOOO Whenever I remember myself doing some cringe shit I, completely involuntarily, say "Im gonna fucking kill you" out loud or in a whisper like I'm so ashamed of the cringe/socially unaware memories I want to throttle my past self
I understand why someone might not know nazi symbolism (and dogwhistles but dogwhistles whole point is to be invisible to everyone except those who know what they're targeting. even though there's some extremely fucking blatant ones that arent dogwhistles but AIR RAID SIRENS) but i always feel bitter about it because like . Ive always had to be aware and conscious of this symbolism and nazi and racist dogwhistles for my own safety and it just pisses me off so much that people are able to use "i just didn't know" as an excuse when i was raised on NEEDING to know. it's the same with racism and other forms of bigotry when people dismiss it like "well it's not appropriate for kids to know about it/it's not child friendly" when myself and so many others HAD to live through that while WE were kids but everyone else gets a pass. do you know what i mean?
Like yeah it's probably just some unreasonable/irrational rage on my end but it just pisses me off that it's such an accepted/normalized and annoyingly privileged excuse and it just stings, ygm?
To give IR a tiny little bit of credit I don’t think it was that they didn’t recognize the symbol for what it was, but that they didn’t realize the gif had it at all.
I’m not sure if it’s ok to directly link it here, but if you go to the GifCities site they got it from and search Skull it’s the 5th in the first row. It spins pretty quickly and I had to zoom in and squint to catch the symbols. I still think IR could have handled this much better by just acknowledging they made a mistake and apologizing and leaving it at that, but I do think they genuinely may have just missed it was there at all.
THAT SAID, I would think they’d have caught it themselves after a while if it’s been in their signature since Halloween (and they seem to post often enough to see it regularly), esp if someone else caught it easily enough to report and post about it, and idk why they didn’t choose one of the several other skulls that appear before it. I’m also on my phone looking at this so it may be more obvious on a larger laptop screen or such. So that credit is maybe a bit generous to give them.
Doesn’t invalidate what you’re saying at all though of course !
AYRT Oh yeah I totally get that, my thing is if they were making it part of their signature, they were definitely spending enough time with it/the gif name to get a better look at it (and it sounds like in the original signature it was MULTIPLE of the same gif, so it'd probably be even easier to spot).
And yeah I'm not necessarily faulting them for not recognizing the symbol, but just for not stopping at any point of the process to really examine what they were doing :sob: If the site let them download the gif with a random name, then it'd be more understandable, but some people on SMR have also pointed out how clicking on the gif while on the gifcities archive brings you directly to an archived version of the neo nazi blog. Mousing over it also shows the url of the blog (which includes the word "panzer"), so unless they were doing all this on MOBILE (which sounds fucking nuts because like. what would that change aside from adding MORE steps into the process and making it easier to zoom in to notice the symbols) it seems like there were several indicators.
I'm still not 100% sold on how they didnt recognize the SS bolts. Maybe 90% sold if we're being generous, but the SS bolts felt like they were part of the "big 3" of nazi symbology in the public consciousness alongside the hakenkreuz/swastika and the iron cross, not something more "obscure" like all the number related dogwhistles (e.g. 14, 88, 1488, 9%, 109, etc.) and more "obscure" symbols (celtic cross, black sun, appropriated runes, triple parentheses, etc.) but again maybe that's just me being hypervigilant and needing to know all of them.
I agree how just like you said, they had the signature since Halloween and should have noticed by now. It's still really weird to me how the website had TONS of the same exact skull gif MINUS the bolts, and they just happened to pick the ONE that had the bolts. Again, Hanlon's razor, but I'm just personally not super sold on the idea they had 0 idea until they were called out. Misclick maybe, but I dunno, they had that sig for a whole MONTH. I'm probably being too harsh but there's a lot of dimensions to this ajkndsfvjlk
Also thanks for keeping this civil everyone (you and everyone else in the thread, and even the saltmine replyguys this time), and also not downplaying my own thoughts/feelings on the situation. A lot of the time when bringing up dogwhistles and symbols people will downplay them and accuse us of overthinking them or "being crazy/making things up", so this has been a surprisingly pleasant conversation. Not that I thought people here would be defending Nazi symbols, and not that I thought the mods would let that defense slide, but you never really know what you're going to get into on an anonymous forum, especially ones centered around drama and salt <3
To be honest, you are assuming that everyone on the internet is a) American b) has as much online cultural knowledge as you. It would not occur to many of my friends who come from 3rd world countries that the bolts are a dogwhistle.
I'm American and I only knew swastika, 88, and parenthesis. :') I'm not really in a position to have been exposed to the rest "naturally" (latter two only came up and stuck in my memory by sheer happenstance), so any of those would've flown right over my head. Real "you don't know what you don't know" situation. Granted my breadth of life experience for my age is arguably not where it should be, but still. Sometimes people genuinely just do not know things.
dogwhistles and symbols and racism really aren’t an american exclusive thing though, so them being american or not has nothing to do with it and I’m confused why that’s being brought up as a point against it. most of them are used in person in addition to online (such as tattoos, graffiti, stickers, etc), so it’s really not “online cultural knowledge” like a hashtag or meme or something. I don’t think you meant it this way but it comes off as tone policing and kind of missing the point.
i get your point but calling recognizing the SS symbol american + online cultural knowledge is WILD having that shit out is literally illegal in my country lol (not america)
nayrt fuck shit you're so right. how could i forget about how fascism is derived from the American Word "fascismo/fascio" which comes from america. or the classic american term and symbol "hakenkreuz" or the double bolts coming from the classic american "Schutzstaffel". or unit 731 or auschwitz which we all know were both in america. or the armenian genocide which was in america by americans.
(when will people learn that the concepts of racism and fascism existed before america was even a colony LET ALONE a country, lmao. it fucken reeks of deflection)
They are a pyct regular and, by their own admission, a senior in high school as of the 2025-26 school year: https://web.archive.org/web/20251204084658/https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/gend/2114506/17524#post_59554266
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(Anonymous) 2025-12-03 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)Re: IrradiatedRisk
(Anonymous) 2025-12-03 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)If they just never updated their age when they made it (2021) then they don't have an underage account, but should be old enough by now to know to check sources (and to not be all "heres a template to use when i do something wrong" instead of admitting their failure to do due diligence)
If their age on it IS up to date, then they've been EXTREMELY underage on both tumblr and fr at the time of their registration (both are 13+)
They've mentioned having 5 certifications which isn't necessarily an indicator of age (and ServSafe has no age requirement) but I honestly think should be taken as indicators of expected maturity, does that make sense lmao. Like if they mentioned them on their tumblr blog publicly (https://www.tumblr.com/radiation-risk/790635272759017473/actual-intro-post-ive-gone-4-years-without-one?source=share) I think they want them to be taken seriously (and they sort of fit into the "overshare aspects of life" tumblr archetype).
I definitely don't want to dox them or anything they've just made a LOT of questionable things public that could give mods reason to suspect their age. The only things I've looked at are their tumblr, toyhouse, and FR (all public and all information they volunteer up front. like the certifications and nickname that's their toyhouse alias are their pinned post on tumblr?)
Either they're too young to have an FR account "legally", or they're old enough to take accountability and not deflect. They can't have it both ways.
Re: IrradiatedRisk
(Anonymous) 2025-12-03 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)yeah this is why i brought up their potential age and why i think they're young. they strike me as someone who is under 18 and perhaps a bit naive/socially unaware. definitely not an excuse but more ahh yes i can understand how a young person might make these mistakes and might not understand why people wouldn't privately confront them about nazi symbolism
straight up have done similar things (not related to nazi symbolism lol more like being socially unaware) at a young internet age and i'll randomly remember them in cringe horror
Re: IrradiatedRisk
(Anonymous) 2025-12-03 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)Whenever I remember myself doing some cringe shit I, completely involuntarily, say "Im gonna fucking kill you" out loud or in a whisper like I'm so ashamed of the cringe/socially unaware memories I want to throttle my past self
I understand why someone might not know nazi symbolism (and dogwhistles but dogwhistles whole point is to be invisible to everyone except those who know what they're targeting. even though there's some extremely fucking blatant ones that arent dogwhistles but AIR RAID SIRENS) but i always feel bitter about it because like . Ive always had to be aware and conscious of this symbolism and nazi and racist dogwhistles for my own safety and it just pisses me off so much that people are able to use "i just didn't know" as an excuse when i was raised on NEEDING to know. it's the same with racism and other forms of bigotry when people dismiss it like "well it's not appropriate for kids to know about it/it's not child friendly" when myself and so many others HAD to live through that while WE were kids but everyone else gets a pass. do you know what i mean?
Like yeah it's probably just some unreasonable/irrational rage on my end but it just pisses me off that it's such an accepted/normalized and annoyingly privileged excuse and it just stings, ygm?
Re: IrradiatedRisk
(Anonymous) 2025-12-03 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)I’m not sure if it’s ok to directly link it here, but if you go to the GifCities site they got it from and search Skull it’s the 5th in the first row. It spins pretty quickly and I had to zoom in and squint to catch the symbols. I still think IR could have handled this much better by just acknowledging they made a mistake and apologizing and leaving it at that, but I do think they genuinely may have just missed it was there at all.
THAT SAID, I would think they’d have caught it themselves after a while if it’s been in their signature since Halloween (and they seem to post often enough to see it regularly), esp if someone else caught it easily enough to report and post about it, and idk why they didn’t choose one of the several other skulls that appear before it. I’m also on my phone looking at this so it may be more obvious on a larger laptop screen or such. So that credit is maybe a bit generous to give them.
Doesn’t invalidate what you’re saying at all though of course !
Re: IrradiatedRisk
(Anonymous) 2025-12-04 12:11 am (UTC)(link)Oh yeah I totally get that, my thing is if they were making it part of their signature, they were definitely spending enough time with it/the gif name to get a better look at it (and it sounds like in the original signature it was MULTIPLE of the same gif, so it'd probably be even easier to spot).
And yeah I'm not necessarily faulting them for not recognizing the symbol, but just for not stopping at any point of the process to really examine what they were doing :sob: If the site let them download the gif with a random name, then it'd be more understandable, but some people on SMR have also pointed out how clicking on the gif while on the gifcities archive brings you directly to an archived version of the neo nazi blog. Mousing over it also shows the url of the blog (which includes the word "panzer"), so unless they were doing all this on MOBILE (which sounds fucking nuts because like. what would that change aside from adding MORE steps into the process and making it easier to zoom in to notice the symbols) it seems like there were several indicators.
I'm still not 100% sold on how they didnt recognize the SS bolts. Maybe 90% sold if we're being generous, but the SS bolts felt like they were part of the "big 3" of nazi symbology in the public consciousness alongside the hakenkreuz/swastika and the iron cross, not something more "obscure" like all the number related dogwhistles (e.g. 14, 88, 1488, 9%, 109, etc.) and more "obscure" symbols (celtic cross, black sun, appropriated runes, triple parentheses, etc.) but again maybe that's just me being hypervigilant and needing to know all of them.
I agree how just like you said, they had the signature since Halloween and should have noticed by now. It's still really weird to me how the website had TONS of the same exact skull gif MINUS the bolts, and they just happened to pick the ONE that had the bolts. Again, Hanlon's razor, but I'm just personally not super sold on the idea they had 0 idea until they were called out. Misclick maybe, but I dunno, they had that sig for a whole MONTH. I'm probably being too harsh but there's a lot of dimensions to this ajkndsfvjlk
Also thanks for keeping this civil everyone (you and everyone else in the thread, and even the saltmine replyguys this time), and also not downplaying my own thoughts/feelings on the situation.
A lot of the time when bringing up dogwhistles and symbols people will downplay them and accuse us of overthinking them or "being crazy/making things up", so this has been a surprisingly pleasant conversation. Not that I thought people here would be defending Nazi symbols, and not that I thought the mods would let that defense slide, but you never really know what you're going to get into on an anonymous forum, especially ones centered around drama and salt <3
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(Anonymous) 2025-12-04 01:37 am (UTC)(link)I only learned that through this thread myself just now
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(Anonymous) 2025-12-04 02:02 am (UTC)(link)I'm American and I only knew swastika, 88, and parenthesis. :') I'm not really in a position to have been exposed to the rest "naturally" (latter two only came up and stuck in my memory by sheer happenstance), so any of those would've flown right over my head. Real "you don't know what you don't know" situation. Granted my breadth of life experience for my age is arguably not where it should be, but still. Sometimes people genuinely just do not know things.
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(Anonymous) 2025-12-04 02:20 am (UTC)(link)most of them are used in person in addition to online (such as tattoos, graffiti, stickers, etc), so it’s really not “online cultural knowledge” like a hashtag or meme or something. I don’t think you meant it this way but it comes off as tone policing and kind of missing the point.
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(Anonymous) 2025-12-04 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)fuck shit you're so right. how could i forget about how fascism is derived from the American Word "fascismo/fascio" which comes from america. or the classic american term and symbol "hakenkreuz" or the double bolts coming from the classic american "Schutzstaffel". or unit 731 or auschwitz which we all know were both in america. or the armenian genocide which was in america by americans.
(when will people learn that the concepts of racism and fascism existed before america was even a colony LET ALONE a country, lmao. it fucken reeks of deflection)
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