The idea that fewer retired items makes it more of a standout/problem was not something I had considered before, but it makes total sense, thank you ! I was always thinking like, well, it's SO few items, like you can pretty much fill in almost your entire beastiary what does it matter that you have 4-10 free spots? But I see that it actually makes it worse kinda lol because the demand gets concentrated and can become less easy to let go of I suppose
I was honestly kind of expecting with the beastiary rehaul, where they permanently stay in there after awakening, that we would see a neopets-esque lending program like people do for really expensive avatars on there, where people provide almost equivalent collateral and then return the item when they have the av. The collat is essential ofc, otherwise you end up in a Rhea Boolean situation (stolen while being lent out)
I can say though that no one was in doubt that Y1 items were retiring, thats why the bears came back so soon, it was a community response. (I joined in Q1 and tried as much as possible to get extra sprites and apparel from my first fest as I know the petsite game). It is interesting though how much of a difference there is between Y1 and Y3 fest familiars in price, yes of course there were more of them but an arcane sprite at what 20kg(?) vs an arcane Y3 fam for 400g? That's nuts!
I do disagree still that not having a way to get G1 imps/change any dragon to an imp goes against the 'get your dream dragon' idea, it is so easy to breed an imp you want especially with how rarities work out (or at least, not more difficult than other breeding projects is what I mean)
For me, the imp thing is not so much 'get your dream dragon' but 'create your dream dragon from an existing dragon.
Just to be clear, while I am sad that imp scrolls aren't a thing, I do agree that there are plenty of ways to get imps and it isn't a huge deal for me.
But, I am also one that gets attached to dragons easily and when something new comes out, and my dragon look good with that something new, I want to change them to that. For me, it isn't so much geting a gen1 Imp, but rather that my progens won't ever be able to be Imps, even if they would look gorgeous as one. It is a minor thing, to be sure. And I am also on the side of FR should stick to their guns re KS items. (though I wouldn't be upset if they did change their minds)
Anyway, yeah, with so few items being retired, they really do standout, because all of a sudden it isn't 'well, there is a whole section of items I will never get' to 'there are five items I will never be able to get! oh no!' You're welcome! It is the whole 'lost in the crowd' type thing.
I had thought I heard differently about the year 1 items. I thought that I saw, closer to when I first joined, people who said they didn't realize the Y1 items were retiring and so thought they would be able to get them next year, so they didn't try to fight the lag and site errors to get as many as they would have? But, this was also like in 2016-2018 or so, during the whole 'bring back retired items' era before Roundsey. Where there were threads pretty much every week at least about unretiring sprites and the like.
Since I wasn't around for the beginning of the site, I can only go by what those threads said, but, as I said, I could easily be misremembering and they were talking about something else.
As for the bestiary overhaul, I think the issue was that, by then, people had already been burned by other people in the community enough to not want to risk it.
I hate to say it, but while a great many of FR's players are kind and completely wonderful people, FR also has a section of players that, well, aren't. They would be the type to take advantage of something like that and the rules about transferring dragons and items, and ruin it for everyone (in some cases, simply BECAUSE it would ruin the item lending for everyone). Maybe most petsites have them and I just haven't seen them, but on FR they at least seem somewhat prevalent. (at least on the FR salt blogs, which, yeah, some of those could just be blowing hot air, but a few too many 'I want to see the world burn' types going around for me to feel safe lending things out, even with collateral, to people I don't know well enough)
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Re: CipherThirteen
(Anonymous) 2025-11-22 08:33 am (UTC)(link)The idea that fewer retired items makes it more of a standout/problem was not something I had considered before, but it makes total sense, thank you ! I was always thinking like, well, it's SO few items, like you can pretty much fill in almost your entire beastiary what does it matter that you have 4-10 free spots? But I see that it actually makes it worse kinda lol because the demand gets concentrated and can become less easy to let go of I suppose
I was honestly kind of expecting with the beastiary rehaul, where they permanently stay in there after awakening, that we would see a neopets-esque lending program like people do for really expensive avatars on there, where people provide almost equivalent collateral and then return the item when they have the av. The collat is essential ofc, otherwise you end up in a Rhea Boolean situation (stolen while being lent out)
I can say though that no one was in doubt that Y1 items were retiring, thats why the bears came back so soon, it was a community response. (I joined in Q1 and tried as much as possible to get extra sprites and apparel from my first fest as I know the petsite game). It is interesting though how much of a difference there is between Y1 and Y3 fest familiars in price, yes of course there were more of them but an arcane sprite at what 20kg(?) vs an arcane Y3 fam for 400g? That's nuts!
I do disagree still that not having a way to get G1 imps/change any dragon to an imp goes against the 'get your dream dragon' idea, it is so easy to breed an imp you want especially with how rarities work out (or at least, not more difficult than other breeding projects is what I mean)
Re: CipherThirteen
(Anonymous) 2025-11-22 02:13 pm (UTC)(link)For me, the imp thing is not so much 'get your dream dragon' but 'create your dream dragon from an existing dragon.
Just to be clear, while I am sad that imp scrolls aren't a thing, I do agree that there are plenty of ways to get imps and it isn't a huge deal for me.
But, I am also one that gets attached to dragons easily and when something new comes out, and my dragon look good with that something new, I want to change them to that. For me, it isn't so much geting a gen1 Imp, but rather that my progens won't ever be able to be Imps, even if they would look gorgeous as one. It is a minor thing, to be sure. And I am also on the side of FR should stick to their guns re KS items. (though I wouldn't be upset if they did change their minds)
Anyway, yeah, with so few items being retired, they really do standout, because all of a sudden it isn't 'well, there is a whole section of items I will never get' to 'there are five items I will never be able to get! oh no!' You're welcome! It is the whole 'lost in the crowd' type thing.
I had thought I heard differently about the year 1 items. I thought that I saw, closer to when I first joined, people who said they didn't realize the Y1 items were retiring and so thought they would be able to get them next year, so they didn't try to fight the lag and site errors to get as many as they would have? But, this was also like in 2016-2018 or so, during the whole 'bring back retired items' era before Roundsey. Where there were threads pretty much every week at least about unretiring sprites and the like.
Since I wasn't around for the beginning of the site, I can only go by what those threads said, but, as I said, I could easily be misremembering and they were talking about something else.
As for the bestiary overhaul, I think the issue was that, by then, people had already been burned by other people in the community enough to not want to risk it.
I hate to say it, but while a great many of FR's players are kind and completely wonderful people, FR also has a section of players that, well, aren't. They would be the type to take advantage of something like that and the rules about transferring dragons and items, and ruin it for everyone (in some cases, simply BECAUSE it would ruin the item lending for everyone). Maybe most petsites have them and I just haven't seen them, but on FR they at least seem somewhat prevalent. (at least on the FR salt blogs, which, yeah, some of those could just be blowing hot air, but a few too many 'I want to see the world burn' types going around for me to feel safe lending things out, even with collateral, to people I don't know well enough)