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DA whoah you're way better at archiving than I am, mine didn't save the tail end thank u
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Apologies for continuing to follow up this topic, but I wanted to save for posterity that this is actually the second time they've tried to do this thread. No one fell for the one in January, luckily
Apologies for continuing to follow up this topic, but I wanted to save for posterity that this is actually the second time they've tried to do this thread. No one fell for the one in January, luckily
Does anyone else think it's funny that only one person offered, trying to sell NOTN familiars, which are actually 2g on the AH. And PlagueMaw rejected because they only want to underpay for familiars.
"This has now turned into a chat window for you and Othell's personal convo" after getting 2 posts directed at them is so petty
it is stupid and batmorgue should continue calling it stupid, sh is usually the abbreviation used for self harm, the term shlines is weird
besides who would even abbreviate "lines and shadows" to shlines? shouldn't shadow go after lines? no one says their skin got denied for shadows and lines. we must destroy the term shlines.
besides who would even abbreviate "lines and shadows" to shlines? shouldn't shadow go after lines? no one says their skin got denied for shadows and lines. we must destroy the term shlines.
DA idk anon, I personally add ‘sch’ and ‘sh’ to the beginning of words regularly for fun. The last thing on my mind when doing that is the self harm acronym. Also lines and shadows… would you rather it be something lol lisha? Shlines falls off the tongue a lot better. I think we’re making mountains out of anthills with this one folks. I’m not in the server so I haven’t seen it first hand, so maybe I don’t know better.
ngl I think on the internet most people’s minds would go “silent hill” and not “self harm”
Watch out for the word schmeat
Yea, agreed with the others. Sh standing for self harm is the farthest thing from my mind, especially in context.
Shadow lines. Shlines. It's not that bad. Being rude to people for something that petty is shitty.
Shadow lines. Shlines. It's not that bad. Being rude to people for something that petty is shitty.
+1
the only time i would make the connection to self harm would be if it was in TW format - TW: S/H or something
it seems really dumb and extra to get worked up about this. although i agree that shlines sounds dumb but mostly in my head
the only time i would make the connection to self harm would be if it was in TW format - TW: S/H or something
it seems really dumb and extra to get worked up about this. although i agree that shlines sounds dumb but mostly in my head
wow anon i really hope you're acting like this just for shiggles.
Ngl anon the last thing I think of when seeing sh is self harm. Unless the message has like a trigger warning I would probably think one of three things: silent hill, should have or same here. I get where you are coming from but usually people only use it like that if they preface with a trigger warning because otherwise they are the asshole imo. Talking about that topic without a trigger is just wrong in the first place.
Kinda blowing this shit outta the water here. And yes people can refer to is as shadows and lines or lines and shadows. No need to "destroy the term" LMAO you are overreacting 1000%
Kinda blowing this shit outta the water here. And yes people can refer to is as shadows and lines or lines and shadows. No need to "destroy the term" LMAO you are overreacting 1000%
what do you want us to do. spell out "shadows and lines" every single time they're brought up? it's a skinmaking server. it gets brought up a lot. literally every single community out there abbreviates a long term that comes up frequently in the convo
this feels like you yourself have never talked in the server that much or don't make skins so you don't have to use the terminology
this feels like you yourself have never talked in the server that much or don't make skins so you don't have to use the terminology
da
fwiw I am not in the skinmaking community and only skim posts regarding it, and it took me only about 5 seconds to figure out what 'shlines' meant in context. It's not deeply arcane jargon.
fwiw I am not in the skinmaking community and only skim posts regarding it, and it took me only about 5 seconds to figure out what 'shlines' meant in context. It's not deeply arcane jargon.
DA
it's also a relatively established (although intentionally silly) shortening! there are over 600 instances of it being used in the server. (there are some on-site as well but much less)
it's also a relatively established (although intentionally silly) shortening! there are over 600 instances of it being used in the server. (there are some on-site as well but much less)
im sorry if this makes me sound scummy but im just curious how this is any different than all the threads on the forums paying people to smelt for 150g when you can make almost double that (if not more) selling the mats on the ah? obviously profiting off of people not knowing any better is wrong but i feel like half the posts on item for sales are just profiting off of people not checking prices themselves
that's a lot different imo. you're not really paying for the mats, you're paying for someone to melt 99 items for you in a relatively timely manner. this also isn't someone buying something in bulk for technically cheaper than LAH either. it's a direct i'll give you 2g for an item you can hoardsell for almost 3kt (3g). also doesn't account for some of those fams selling for 10g+ on the AH either
FWIW I've never trusted things like smelting services and coli services to be 100% reliable and truthful either. Service sellers can easily skim off the best stuff since there's no proof/accountability of what RNG spat out.
If I had to articulate why a smelting thread seems a little less scummy, it's that materials only have a ~potential~ Auction House value, a dynamic ever-changing number dependant on the userbase; Checking prices and listing each individual material takes valuable time from your day, and you may get undercut despite it all and have to start over. It may be worth it to take a loss by bulk-selling to an individual instead of the AH for the sake of convenience. If everyone involved is aware of what there goods are worth and what they're gaining/loosing, it's fine.
Coli familiars on the other hand have a hard Hoardsell Treasure Value, and exchange rates are fairly stable at 1:1000, so this is a more measurable scam. PlagueMaw is basically asking for people to inconvenience themselves with a CR/PA AND loose money at the same time. There's no material benefit for the sellers, and a week-old user is less likely to be familiar (hah) enough with the game to realize they're getting a bad deal.
If I had to articulate why a smelting thread seems a little less scummy, it's that materials only have a ~potential~ Auction House value, a dynamic ever-changing number dependant on the userbase; Checking prices and listing each individual material takes valuable time from your day, and you may get undercut despite it all and have to start over. It may be worth it to take a loss by bulk-selling to an individual instead of the AH for the sake of convenience. If everyone involved is aware of what there goods are worth and what they're gaining/loosing, it's fine.
Coli familiars on the other hand have a hard Hoardsell Treasure Value, and exchange rates are fairly stable at 1:1000, so this is a more measurable scam. PlagueMaw is basically asking for people to inconvenience themselves with a CR/PA AND loose money at the same time. There's no material benefit for the sellers, and a week-old user is less likely to be familiar (hah) enough with the game to realize they're getting a bad deal.
This all the way.
I’ve occasionally tried my hand at selling Baldwin mats, and let me tell you, it is a major time suck. If you can check in regularly it’s not bad but if you can only reliably hop online once or twice a day it’s a nuisance. I’ve absolutely sold in bulk before - on the AH, not in the forums, but same diff - because it wasn’t worth 10 extra gems for me to keep poking something I was selling for 75 gems already.
I’ve occasionally tried my hand at selling Baldwin mats, and let me tell you, it is a major time suck. If you can check in regularly it’s not bad but if you can only reliably hop online once or twice a day it’s a nuisance. I’ve absolutely sold in bulk before - on the AH, not in the forums, but same diff - because it wasn’t worth 10 extra gems for me to keep poking something I was selling for 75 gems already.
mannnnnn, idk what it is lately but I just don't feel great seeing all these people commissioning skin artists with USD or FRC for customs only to turn around and sell one copy for 15kG-20kG or all three copies for 25kG. I admit that I feel completely differently when it's the artist themselves selling the extras they have of the skin, as then the artist is profiting off their own work, but it feels weird as hell to me to see people commissioning an artist and then turning around to profit off it in the end. So many people commission recolor slots with FRC only to sell off spare copies and end up with a surplus of gems after the blueprint cost and base recolor fee from the artist. For example: 6000G for 5 copies of a skin, 1 ends up with the main artist, 1 is kept by the commissioner, and three are put up for sale/auction where they're marked at 3000-5000G as the starting bid. Make the math make sense without it looking like you're just using the loop hole to use artists for your own benefit. I get that you want the shiny skin, hell yeah, but if you're making mad profit off it then maybe you should consider splitting the net profit with the artist themselves rather than using it to buy more recolors and have the loop continue.
If you're reselling your 5-print recolor for 2000G? Fine, I'm not going to be as side-eye about it. Reselling one copy of your 5-print recolor for 6000G when the blueprints were 3500/cost of recolor was 2500? feels bad!
Artists profiting off their work? Hell yeah, they put in that effort! Commissioners using artist slots to profit? Hell no. I've seen some cases where profits seem to be split with the artist, which gives me hella hope but mannnnnnn the rest of it not so much.
I'm not directing this at anyone in particular, just venting my feelings on the matter. It is demoralizing to see, as someone who wants to open up custom skin commissions for people but really feels shitty to see people profiting off their stuff because then it ends up feeling like the person only commissioned you to make bank and get a shiny out of it too. I might just stick to doing personal skins and auctioning off copies on my own rather than doing customs because wow it just does not sit right to me.
If you're reselling your 5-print recolor for 2000G? Fine, I'm not going to be as side-eye about it. Reselling one copy of your 5-print recolor for 6000G when the blueprints were 3500/cost of recolor was 2500? feels bad!
Artists profiting off their work? Hell yeah, they put in that effort! Commissioners using artist slots to profit? Hell no. I've seen some cases where profits seem to be split with the artist, which gives me hella hope but mannnnnnn the rest of it not so much.
I'm not directing this at anyone in particular, just venting my feelings on the matter. It is demoralizing to see, as someone who wants to open up custom skin commissions for people but really feels shitty to see people profiting off their stuff because then it ends up feeling like the person only commissioned you to make bank and get a shiny out of it too. I might just stick to doing personal skins and auctioning off copies on my own rather than doing customs because wow it just does not sit right to me.
It's why, as an accent artist, I do customs at a markup.
They have to pay my base cost, pay for the blueprints etc. They get ONE copy, and if they want another copy, they have to pay for the blueprints again, individually, with a convenience fee that's 50% of each blueprint cost.
Do I get a lot of customs ordered? Nope. But it's how I make sure I'm not being used as a cash cow.
If they wanna profit off my work, I'm profiting, too.
They have to pay my base cost, pay for the blueprints etc. They get ONE copy, and if they want another copy, they have to pay for the blueprints again, individually, with a convenience fee that's 50% of each blueprint cost.
Do I get a lot of customs ordered? Nope. But it's how I make sure I'm not being used as a cash cow.
If they wanna profit off my work, I'm profiting, too.
+1
This has never sat right with me. Hazelgem has since edited their message, but they've been asking around in the aaa skinmakers discord for anyone with open FRC (gem) custom slots. They said outright that they need to quickly earn 170kg by the end of the month for a dragon they have a hold on, so the artist needs to have a quick turnaround so they can sell the extra copies at a profit. The audacity is crazy. No wonder they don't have any takers. Who wants to hear that they want to be commissioned specifically as a cash cow?
This has never sat right with me. Hazelgem has since edited their message, but they've been asking around in the aaa skinmakers discord for anyone with open FRC (gem) custom slots. They said outright that they need to quickly earn 170kg by the end of the month for a dragon they have a hold on, so the artist needs to have a quick turnaround so they can sell the extra copies at a profit. The audacity is crazy. No wonder they don't have any takers. Who wants to hear that they want to be commissioned specifically as a cash cow?
Hazelgem? Being a shit to skin artists? Shocked. Absolutely shocked /s
Hazelgem is a shitty little fucker. They copy other artists, and then want to captilize off their work financially, too?
Just a final straw to finally block their ass.
Hazelgem is a shitty little fucker. They copy other artists, and then want to captilize off their work financially, too?
Just a final straw to finally block their ass.
OP/AYRT but holy shit, if I hadn't been tempted to outright block Hazelgem before for shady stuff, I definitely am now. What an absolutely scummy move. I wish I had kinder words to convey my feelings but I really don't; there's no excuse to profit off someone else's work other than outright laziness in that kind of manner. Shame on them.
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