a while back i mentioned a friend of mine had a stack of light sprites they've hoarded (they have 99) i dont know if this got conflated with elisabluh, or if there's a different reason to believe she has a stack of them too, but my friend with the stack that i mentioned is not elisabluh. in fact, id rather drink poison than be her friend
they've sold a few! every now and again they sell them to fund buying (very very expensive) art comms. as of right now they don't want to sell them because they feel the prices are ridiculous, but also don't want to touch the market with a 10 foot pole. friendo has a couple sets of KS items they'll sell for their OTP fix if they get desperate
tldr they aren't hurting for gems so they aren't selling. though, when we talked about this thread, my friend did say it would be fucking funny if they listed 30 light sprites for 100kg right now only reason they won't is because they don't want their name attached to ANY of the light sprite nonsense
Might be worth selling 30 for 100kg each, but doing it in the forums where you can vet the buyers to make sure they're not Elisabluh or someone else acting in bad faith, so it's going to people who actually want a sprite rather than to market manipulate. Would solve the problem pretty neatly I think.
curious to know why you think it'd solve the problem.
selling a bunch of light sprites to people that want to collect one at a more reasonable price is well and good but imo you're massively underestimating the amount of people who want it and have 100kg ready to go vs the ones who will probably never be able to save that much but still want the sprite just as bad.
also talking about Elisabluh / other hypothetical players as if they're gonna swoop in like vultures upon these 100kg sprites, when this person supposedly does in fact own nearly a hundred of them, is rich. god forbid a handful of them will MAYBE get grabbed to be relisted for higher when literally fuckinnn lightsprites georg exists...
it's baffling that one player gets so much shit for listing like 10ish light sprites for high prices over several years, with rumours of market manipulation, accusations of hoarding and demands of proof galore, but then someone claims that a player with 99 light sprites exists whose attitude is like "I might sell em! I might not! teehee!", and suddenly yall are like "haha epic". make up your minds
because it's basically what happened with eliminates but on a smaller scale? because it might act as a hard reset on some of the price gouging that occurred? because you're fundamentally misunderstanding what the issue actually is here?
have you never seen that episode of spongebob with the #1 soda drink hat? it's that. somebody has a whole warehouse full of them.
i like how you can you sit there and argue that a situation where somebody listed a bunch of light sprites at a lower price would be bad because *checks notes* people won't be able to afford that either? so prices should just stay extra exorbitantly high?
because yes, obviously very few people would hypothetically have 100kg ready to spend right this very moment. but it'd slash the current price in half and keep it there, particularly if the seller was vigilant about re-sellers.
if you want to argue that this hypothetical situation of flooding the market with lower priced light sprites would be bad because of "predatory pricing", you might have half a point but i'd still laugh at you because this isn't walmart stamping out small businesses. and also people get away with this irl anyway.
you're also missing the really obvious difference between this supposed light sprites georg and elizabluh. which is that, regardless of whether you believe elizabluh artificially inflated light sprite prices in '21/'22, light sprites georg isn't currently injecting themselves unnecessarily into the conversation about light sprites and being an asshole where people can see them being an asshole.
going "lol no support" to a suggestion that involves trying to make all festival items be treated equally when people know you're involved in the light sprite market is a dumbass move.
elizabluh could have just as easily done exactly what you're imagining this other player doing. silently sat on their hoard of light sprites and titter to themselves about how clever they are for having so many. they chose not to.
and they have nobody to blame but themselves about that.
I probably should have phrased myself better there. What I meant is that the overall issue of the scarcity of light sprites isn't gonna be changed if one user suddenly tossed 30 of them on the market for 100kg. Sure their price would be 100kg... for a while... however there are hundreds of not thousands of players who would miss out on those sprites whether or not they have the ability to save up and shell out 100kg because the userbase keeps growing while the amount of light sprites in existence remains the same.
Also I assume you're referring to the Dustcarve Dig eliminate release? The box that guaranteed at least one eliminate? Famously given to the players by the site's staff, not eliminates georg (although I'm sure those exist too)? A very good example of where staff demonstrated their ability to help the market of an item without making some stupid rule about banning "market manipulators"? I wonder if something similar could maybe be done with light sprites...
And yeah that point about Elisabluh is fair although as I've expressed in other posts of mine I still feel like the scrutiny directed towards her regularly goes overboard. In a salt space fine but on-site? I wish more people would just use the block function instead of engaging. The "no support lol" may be frustrating to see and breaks suggestions forum rules iirc but I feel like people took it personally which is just... what...?
I haven't seen that spongebob episode by the way. I haven't seen any spongebob actually I'm kind of a loser like that
Elisabluh doesn't get shit for having light sprites. Elisabluh gets shit for having lightsprites *and being smug about it knowing that other players can't have it*.
The difference is they ostensibly/assumedly bought (E + the other person another nonny from the older thread knew who did it too) to scalp and market manipulate, vs buying to have, outside-of-market. It's the intent that would make it different. The anon who knows Mr. 99 can correct me, but I'm betting if they have 99 they bought the sprites way before the price jump. They're just a whale, not a bad actor.
Also you're assuming that E is being entirely truthful in her tumblr post when getting on my ass, which I don't believe. I think she's at least partially lying and also a massive asshole.
i'm gonna be honest, i doubt 30 sprites listed for 100kg each is gonna make much of a dent in the long term. maybe it'll stay 100kg for a few months or so but it'll probably climb back up to the 135-145kg it is currently selling for in the forums and maybe inflate even further.
the folks who want the sprite badly but aren't willing to shell out whatever ridiculous price it is now is pretty vocal but i bet there are quite a few people who are able to afford it lurking in the background.
the problem is still there but just temporarily dampened, until there is a consistent injection of light sprite supply, which requires staff intervention.
That's super wild. Really puts it into perspective too. I didn't doubt that there were several players out there with more than one light sprite but nearly a hundred of them is unexpected.
The fact that your friend has to stay lowkey about their ownership of these sprites also just goes to show how weirdly feral the userbase is about the light sprites. Elisabluh, who supposedly has owned about a dozen if even that, gets descended upon like she's a piece of meat among a pack of hungry wolves the moment she speaks on the topic. can't imagine what some players might think if your friend revealed their light sprites hoard on the forums
"'Unfortunate' doesn't begin to describe my series, this game rewards blind luck and nothing else, I am beyond convinced at this point. After getting completely tooled by scheduling with my opponent changing times on me last minute and refusing to provide confirmation prior to the day of the match as to play times, losing this way somehow felt even worse than I had thought possible. My preparation was superior, my play was superior, and I lost, so I don't see a reason to continue engaging in an activity where what is within my control is overwhelmingly outweighed by what is not.
I am done with competitive Pokemon, and you won't get a fond farewell. This community is infected to its roots with a degenerative disease that grows stronger over time but stops short of killing its host. Tournaments used to have a competitive spirit at their heart, this has been transplanted and replaced with an artificial organ that feeds on vitriol and mockery from insecure little boys that heckle by the sidelines and tear each other to shreds over scraps of attention. The environment we fostered has trapped us all like this in a vicious cycle, and escaping it requires acceptance of the harshest reality we all scramble to explain away, that none of the countless straining efforts we put ourselves through here will ever amount to one single shining glimmer of significance. I would make this the end, but World Cup is still ongoing, and I would never leave so many great friends out to dry, so I'll suffer through a few more games for them.
One last thing before I leave you all to react with disdain, ridicule, and self-righteous fervor, before you do everything in your power to minimize my words and thoughts, box them up and shove them to some cobwebbed corner of your memory, and hope they disappear forever as a stain on your finite time ground to dust. From this moment on, nothing you say matters to me. The foulest insults you hurl with intent to wound will calmly settle at the earth before my feet, and the venom you spit will bring all the pain of a warm summer breeze. You are less than anything you can conceive, while I carry on, brimming with joy distilled from detachment." Lavos, Smogon forums 2k19.
Giving the same energy out here over a non KS item. Yeesh.
as someone who watched that match with Lavos and knew how much of a negative impact he had on the smogon community, i wouldn't mind if the same events unfolded here.
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-13 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)https://imgur.com/ajN9C6f
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-18 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)a while back i mentioned a friend of mine had a stack of light sprites they've hoarded (they have 99)
i dont know if this got conflated with elisabluh, or if there's a different reason to believe she has a stack of them too, but my friend with the stack that i mentioned is not elisabluh. in fact, id rather drink poison than be her friend
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-18 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)tldr they aren't hurting for gems so they aren't selling. though, when we talked about this thread, my friend did say it would be fucking funny if they listed 30 light sprites for 100kg right now
only reason they won't is because they don't want their name attached to ANY of the light sprite nonsense
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 03:54 am (UTC)(link)selling a bunch of light sprites to people that want to collect one at a more reasonable price is well and good but imo you're massively underestimating the amount of people who want it and have 100kg ready to go vs the ones who will probably never be able to save that much but still want the sprite just as bad.
also talking about Elisabluh / other hypothetical players as if they're gonna swoop in like vultures upon these 100kg sprites, when this person supposedly does in fact own nearly a hundred of them, is rich. god forbid a handful of them will MAYBE get grabbed to be relisted for higher when literally fuckinnn lightsprites georg exists...
it's baffling that one player gets so much shit for listing like 10ish light sprites for high prices over several years, with rumours of market manipulation, accusations of hoarding and demands of proof galore, but then someone claims that a player with 99 light sprites exists whose attitude is like "I might sell em! I might not! teehee!", and suddenly yall are like "haha epic". make up your minds
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 04:44 am (UTC)(link)have you never seen that episode of spongebob with the #1 soda drink hat? it's that. somebody has a whole warehouse full of them.
i like how you can you sit there and argue that a situation where somebody listed a bunch of light sprites at a lower price would be bad because *checks notes* people won't be able to afford that either? so prices should just stay extra exorbitantly high?
because yes, obviously very few people would hypothetically have 100kg ready to spend right this very moment. but it'd slash the current price in half and keep it there, particularly if the seller was vigilant about re-sellers.
if you want to argue that this hypothetical situation of flooding the market with lower priced light sprites would be bad because of "predatory pricing", you might have half a point but i'd still laugh at you because this isn't walmart stamping out small businesses. and also people get away with this irl anyway.
you're also missing the really obvious difference between this supposed light sprites georg and elizabluh. which is that, regardless of whether you believe elizabluh artificially inflated light sprite prices in '21/'22, light sprites georg isn't currently injecting themselves unnecessarily into the conversation about light sprites and being an asshole where people can see them being an asshole.
going "lol no support" to a suggestion that involves trying to make all festival items be treated equally when people know you're involved in the light sprite market is a dumbass move.
elizabluh could have just as easily done exactly what you're imagining this other player doing. silently sat on their hoard of light sprites and titter to themselves about how clever they are for having so many. they chose not to.
and they have nobody to blame but themselves about that.
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 03:02 pm (UTC)(link)I probably should have phrased myself better there. What I meant is that the overall issue of the scarcity of light sprites isn't gonna be changed if one user suddenly tossed 30 of them on the market for 100kg. Sure their price would be 100kg... for a while... however there are hundreds of not thousands of players who would miss out on those sprites whether or not they have the ability to save up and shell out 100kg because the userbase keeps growing while the amount of light sprites in existence remains the same.
Also I assume you're referring to the Dustcarve Dig eliminate release? The box that guaranteed at least one eliminate? Famously given to the players by the site's staff, not eliminates georg (although I'm sure those exist too)? A very good example of where staff demonstrated their ability to help the market of an item without making some stupid rule about banning "market manipulators"? I wonder if something similar could maybe be done with light sprites...
And yeah that point about Elisabluh is fair although as I've expressed in other posts of mine I still feel like the scrutiny directed towards her regularly goes overboard. In a salt space fine but on-site? I wish more people would just use the block function instead of engaging. The "no support lol" may be frustrating to see and breaks suggestions forum rules iirc but I feel like people took it personally which is just... what...?
I haven't seen that spongebob episode by the way. I haven't seen any spongebob actually I'm kind of a loser like that
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)(frozen comment) Re: Elisabluh
(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 05:46 pm (UTC)(link)The difference is they ostensibly/assumedly bought (E + the other person another nonny from the older thread knew who did it too) to scalp and market manipulate, vs buying to have, outside-of-market. It's the intent that would make it different. The anon who knows Mr. 99 can correct me, but I'm betting if they have 99 they bought the sprites way before the price jump. They're just a whale, not a bad actor.
Also you're assuming that E is being entirely truthful in her tumblr post when getting on my ass, which I don't believe. I think she's at least partially lying and also a massive asshole.
No comment on the rest the other guy says it well
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 08:15 am (UTC)(link)the folks who want the sprite badly but aren't willing to shell out whatever ridiculous price it is now is pretty vocal but i bet there are quite a few people who are able to afford it lurking in the background.
the problem is still there but just temporarily dampened, until there is a consistent injection of light sprite supply, which requires staff intervention.
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-18 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)The fact that your friend has to stay lowkey about their ownership of these sprites also just goes to show how weirdly feral the userbase is about the light sprites. Elisabluh, who supposedly has owned about a dozen if even that, gets descended upon like she's a piece of meat among a pack of hungry wolves the moment she speaks on the topic. can't imagine what some players might think if your friend revealed their light sprites hoard on the forums
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-19 04:20 am (UTC)(link)It was a long time ago, but Pepperidge Farm remembers. What kind of friend vagues about it on an anoncomm, though?
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(Anonymous) 2024-10-13 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)I am done with competitive Pokemon, and you won't get a fond farewell. This community is infected to its roots with a degenerative disease that grows stronger over time but stops short of killing its host. Tournaments used to have a competitive spirit at their heart, this has been transplanted and replaced with an artificial organ that feeds on vitriol and mockery from insecure little boys that heckle by the sidelines and tear each other to shreds over scraps of attention. The environment we fostered has trapped us all like this in a vicious cycle, and escaping it requires acceptance of the harshest reality we all scramble to explain away, that none of the countless straining efforts we put ourselves through here will ever amount to one single shining glimmer of significance. I would make this the end, but World Cup is still ongoing, and I would never leave so many great friends out to dry, so I'll suffer through a few more games for them.
One last thing before I leave you all to react with disdain, ridicule, and self-righteous fervor, before you do everything in your power to minimize my words and thoughts, box them up and shove them to some cobwebbed corner of your memory, and hope they disappear forever as a stain on your finite time ground to dust. From this moment on, nothing you say matters to me. The foulest insults you hurl with intent to wound will calmly settle at the earth before my feet, and the venom you spit will bring all the pain of a warm summer breeze. You are less than anything you can conceive, while I carry on, brimming with joy distilled from detachment." Lavos, Smogon forums 2k19.
Giving the same energy out here over a non KS item. Yeesh.
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