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Re: Fathom update

[(Anonymous)]

Ok yeah I phrased it badly.

My point is though that Undel & the artists clearly thought that the skin of the wing was over/on top of the entire part of the wrist/hand/arm, which is clearly not what the playerbase thought.

Also, this sort of thing is hard to explain in words. I would support them adding graphs showing exactly what parts were meant to be recolored.

Re: Fathom update

[(Anonymous)]

no, yeah, i agree there was a miscommunication. i had even asked several of my friends to circle parts of an arm that are the "hand/wrist", and it was nearly unanimous that on hearing "hand/wrist", they circled the hand and the wrist (going no further than maybe a little bit further up the forearm). the only one who did something different was the person who has the most trouble with english, who only circled just the wrist itself on being told to circle the "hand/wrist".

it's one of those "words have meanings" things. staff saying one thing and then doing something beyond the realm of expectation isn't just confusing to people who know the english language well, it's potentially most confusing to ESL individuals who may lose the most understanding in translation. (not assuming that all ESL people wouldn't know words, but everyone's learning/memory is personal and online translators are imperfect.)

i think about this short all the time to remember that english is just not easy, even when you think you're being clear. (warning: it contains an ESL person 100% unintentionally telling someone to die due to miscommunication)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DETz2X2Ueag

Re: Fathom update

[(Anonymous)]

And honestly, wing anatomy is funky regardless when compared to human arms. The whole way wing fingers and proportions work is bizarre.

It really would have been better had Undel taken a fathom and marked what was going to be changed.

Re: Fathom update

[(Anonymous)]

The way the bones are arranged in human vs other mammalian/vertebrate anatomy is fascinating generally. I compare with horses, personally. The joints that we call our elbow and knee are tucked up in the body and then most of the actual leg is finger and toe.

Wings are even wilder.

Re: Fathom update

[(Anonymous)]

I sort of think some of the miscommunication here was what constitutes wrist on a wing. Because I've seen multiple interpretations.

Re: Fathom update

[(Anonymous)]

while there's a lot of interpretations of what is a wrist on a fantasy creature, we have pretty obvious anatomical analogies we can turn to that make it way easier, and undel has explained what she determines the "hand/wrist" of a dragon's wing is before in her books. she equates them in design to arms, sometimes quoting it as "human arms". our own interpretations be damned, there's documented evidence of undel's interpretations, too, and what she says deviates from what she's taught others in her own professionally produced/edited/sold writing, which she still uses as a foundation of her current art.

https://imgur.com/a/iGHhFxJ

i'm sorry for those bad images; i don't have her books anymore, so i had to source these from tumblr/amazon. you can even preview her books on amazon to find some of these pages, too.