mindlessflight (![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
mindlessflight) wrote in ![[community profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/community.png)
anonrerising2024-10-08 11:48 am
mindlessflight) wrote in anonrerising2024-10-08 11:48 am
Exactly. It's about to become a rule, rather than a suggestion, because of how quickly posts can be deleted, vs the unpredictable nature of the archive sites right now.
Hi when was this? Anyone have a link?
it was hardly a meltdown, but a really quiet series of actions that took place.
gaia made this post the day of the eye vials releasing:
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/ann/3004107/6#post_47415434
then hours later was demoted from moderator status, wiped their account profile, and changed it to "semi-inactive". the few times gaia has mentioned eye vials since that post have been mostly ambivalent, but sometimes would appear on suggestion threads to offer another implementation use for the scattersight vials.
if gaia was really loud and furious, though, i'd like to know those details.
gaia made this post the day of the eye vials releasing:
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/ann/3004107/6#post_47415434
then hours later was demoted from moderator status, wiped their account profile, and changed it to "semi-inactive". the few times gaia has mentioned eye vials since that post have been mostly ambivalent, but sometimes would appear on suggestion threads to offer another implementation use for the scattersight vials.
if gaia was really loud and furious, though, i'd like to know those details.
I'm going to be so honest, I don't get why people try to fake being from countries they're not when they don't even put in the effort and get easily caught. I know it's for attention, but I can put together a sob story while writing this that's perhaps more sympathetic and would have protected them from being caught faking being Russian
Born abroad to Russian parents who didn't teach you Russian because the cold war was ending and they didn't want you to get bullied for your heritage. Yet, still bullied at school and having the Soviet flag shoved constantly in your face which was really traumatizing. There. Fixed it for you.
Also, the most common flower related symbolism of communism used in the USSR was a red carnation, which looks NOTHING like a spider lily. For the sickle part, it's pretty damn obvious why there's a hammer and sickle on the Soviet flag if you know anything about Lenin and think for 5 seconds. If you continue to think about the festival the original was part of a GREENERY focused festival. Can I agree that the sickle and the color of the flowers could be taken in poor taste? Yes, absolutely. The issue is this person has proven to be s fucking clown and I doubt they have any Russian blood at them atp. And honestly, what does being Russian get you these days? Are you familiar with the war in Ukraine? Are you asking to be blamed for the war or some shit. Hell, since the war began I've been quieter about my Russian heritage out of caution. Also when I searched up Soviet sickle with flowers, the only actually period relevant non AI thing I found was a post card. Just a post card. If flowers paired with sickles remind you of the USSR, how do you respond to factory workers and strong, independent women?
Sincerely, a tired half Russian
Born abroad to Russian parents who didn't teach you Russian because the cold war was ending and they didn't want you to get bullied for your heritage. Yet, still bullied at school and having the Soviet flag shoved constantly in your face which was really traumatizing. There. Fixed it for you.
Also, the most common flower related symbolism of communism used in the USSR was a red carnation, which looks NOTHING like a spider lily. For the sickle part, it's pretty damn obvious why there's a hammer and sickle on the Soviet flag if you know anything about Lenin and think for 5 seconds. If you continue to think about the festival the original was part of a GREENERY focused festival. Can I agree that the sickle and the color of the flowers could be taken in poor taste? Yes, absolutely. The issue is this person has proven to be s fucking clown and I doubt they have any Russian blood at them atp. And honestly, what does being Russian get you these days? Are you familiar with the war in Ukraine? Are you asking to be blamed for the war or some shit. Hell, since the war began I've been quieter about my Russian heritage out of caution. Also when I searched up Soviet sickle with flowers, the only actually period relevant non AI thing I found was a post card. Just a post card. If flowers paired with sickles remind you of the USSR, how do you respond to factory workers and strong, independent women?
Sincerely, a tired half Russian
AYRT
It’s not the same as market manipulation; however, while I understand that people were caught off guard by the scattersights becoming obsolete, I only sympathize to a certain extent. I do understand that it’s common to “invest” in old and retired items on pet sites. I’m of the opinion that if you’re going to do that, you need to accept the risk of an item being unretired/being rendered obsolete/falling out of favor with the community. And while I sympathize with being unhappy if it happens, I don’t consider it to be the devs’ fault either, and don’t like the arguments of “this would be/has been disastrous for me, you suck, change it back”.
It’s not the same as market manipulation; however, while I understand that people were caught off guard by the scattersights becoming obsolete, I only sympathize to a certain extent. I do understand that it’s common to “invest” in old and retired items on pet sites. I’m of the opinion that if you’re going to do that, you need to accept the risk of an item being unretired/being rendered obsolete/falling out of favor with the community. And while I sympathize with being unhappy if it happens, I don’t consider it to be the devs’ fault either, and don’t like the arguments of “this would be/has been disastrous for me, you suck, change it back”.
NAYRT
This is my stance.
Does it suck when something you thought was worth something is no longer worth anything?
Of course, but, with how many people were complaining, not just about the lack of eye vials themselves, but also how short the event to get the scattervials was and how a lot of people just didn't have the time/ability to get a lot, I expected *something* to change, whether that meant they unretired scattervials, or something else.
And yeah, I never really understood the whole 'investment' thing with petsites. Not in the 'I take this old item, and then I can make money on it in the future' sense, but rather in the 'this is a pet site that can go down at any moment, be sold off to new owners, have a change in vision, and so on, so anything can happen.'
New owners might decide to unretire items because they have a different philosophy. Original owners might have a change in vision and realize that unretiring items can be good for their site. Just so many things that can happen, so why be shocked when something does happen?
The same thing for light sprites and other similarly valued items. With how much has been made over them, I personally wouldn't consider them 'investment' worthy, because there is no telling whether or not the developers will do anything to bring down the prices. They have already had a change in their views regarding various things before (such as the aforementioned eye vials, where they had planned on natural eyes being breeding only, but changed their minds and gave them vials)
This is my stance.
Does it suck when something you thought was worth something is no longer worth anything?
Of course, but, with how many people were complaining, not just about the lack of eye vials themselves, but also how short the event to get the scattervials was and how a lot of people just didn't have the time/ability to get a lot, I expected *something* to change, whether that meant they unretired scattervials, or something else.
And yeah, I never really understood the whole 'investment' thing with petsites. Not in the 'I take this old item, and then I can make money on it in the future' sense, but rather in the 'this is a pet site that can go down at any moment, be sold off to new owners, have a change in vision, and so on, so anything can happen.'
New owners might decide to unretire items because they have a different philosophy. Original owners might have a change in vision and realize that unretiring items can be good for their site. Just so many things that can happen, so why be shocked when something does happen?
The same thing for light sprites and other similarly valued items. With how much has been made over them, I personally wouldn't consider them 'investment' worthy, because there is no telling whether or not the developers will do anything to bring down the prices. They have already had a change in their views regarding various things before (such as the aforementioned eye vials, where they had planned on natural eyes being breeding only, but changed their minds and gave them vials)
Hello!
https://anonrerising.dreamwidth.org/5627.html?thread=5752315#cmt5752315
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/ibaz/3070344
https://imgur.com/a/r29L5RB
https://saltminerising.tumblr.com/post/696155529737830400/ts-from-light-can-go-fuck-themselves-i-read-their#notes
https://archive.is/HmbDC <-- archive of Tumblr thread
https://imgur.com/a/t57FsNh
Tumblr post is most important here. They get off to this. Bet it makes her feel powerful or something. Cringers
https://anonrerising.dreamwidth.org/5627.html?thread=5752315#cmt5752315
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/ibaz/3070344
https://imgur.com/a/r29L5RB
https://saltminerising.tumblr.com/post/696155529737830400/ts-from-light-can-go-fuck-themselves-i-read-their#notes
https://archive.is/HmbDC <-- archive of Tumblr thread
https://imgur.com/a/t57FsNh
Tumblr post is most important here. They get off to this. Bet it makes her feel powerful or something. Cringers
This is probably an extremely unpopular opinion that'll get me ignored at best and shit at worst but whatever.
What's with the vitriol? Specifically the calls for staff to ban her and make "purposeful" price inflating against the rules? The comparisons to irl laws as if that has anything at all to do with a pixel game economy? Frustration is understandable but the desire to have this user chased/forced off the site is not.
Yeah this is an annoying situation, and she's acting annoying about it, but it also seems like she's getting a lot of harassment and callouts and over this which is going way overboard. Y'all really can't keep your feelings over that golden fairy thing in check a little better? You're so offended by that thing's high price that you gotta attack someone over it?? Jesus christ
What's with the vitriol? Specifically the calls for staff to ban her and make "purposeful" price inflating against the rules? The comparisons to irl laws as if that has anything at all to do with a pixel game economy? Frustration is understandable but the desire to have this user chased/forced off the site is not.
Yeah this is an annoying situation, and she's acting annoying about it, but it also seems like she's getting a lot of harassment and callouts and over this which is going way overboard. Y'all really can't keep your feelings over that golden fairy thing in check a little better? You're so offended by that thing's high price that you gotta attack someone over it?? Jesus christ
are you elisabluh lol comments like "Y'all really can't keep your feelings over that golden fairy thing in check a little better?"
make you either look stupid for not actually reading what people are upset about, or you're them.
yes, imo people should be banned for intentional market manipulation. like someone said on the deleted frd thread, even the lawless land of neopets enforces this rule. why would it be a bad thing for that to be against the rules?? you can't accidentally market manipulate 💀💀
but yeah fuck people that intentionally make retired items even more unobtainable in an artificial way, they should be chased off the site. fuck off and leave fr's fairly stable economy alone.
if you are elisabluh, you are doing yourself no favors responding to people talking about this. either own it, or shut the fuck up because you just make yourself look more guilty the harder you try and act like you've done nothing wrong. your attitude is stinky
make you either look stupid for not actually reading what people are upset about, or you're them.
yes, imo people should be banned for intentional market manipulation. like someone said on the deleted frd thread, even the lawless land of neopets enforces this rule. why would it be a bad thing for that to be against the rules?? you can't accidentally market manipulate 💀💀
but yeah fuck people that intentionally make retired items even more unobtainable in an artificial way, they should be chased off the site. fuck off and leave fr's fairly stable economy alone.
if you are elisabluh, you are doing yourself no favors responding to people talking about this. either own it, or shut the fuck up because you just make yourself look more guilty the harder you try and act like you've done nothing wrong. your attitude is stinky
No one had to pay to back the site for a Light Sprite, and no one should be expected to shell out similar amounts to a Kickstarter familiar if they choose to get one now. Year 1 items, no matter how rare, are not Kickstarter exclusives.
She seems to have a history of inserting herself when people are upset or wondering what's going on with the Light Sprite prices - in ways that are disingenuous at best and goading at worst. Yesterday's thread was just another example. Getting vitriol seems to be the point, to the level that these exchanges she has follow a DARVO equation where she tries to make everyone else out to be crazy.
This kind of deliberate market inflation (not to mention toxicity) is behavior that gets people banned on comparable pet sites. If you want to believe she's innocent, go for it. I can't make you not fall for DARVO. All I can do is point out that this is the recurring trend she does of her own volition.
She seems to have a history of inserting herself when people are upset or wondering what's going on with the Light Sprite prices - in ways that are disingenuous at best and goading at worst. Yesterday's thread was just another example. Getting vitriol seems to be the point, to the level that these exchanges she has follow a DARVO equation where she tries to make everyone else out to be crazy.
This kind of deliberate market inflation (not to mention toxicity) is behavior that gets people banned on comparable pet sites. If you want to believe she's innocent, go for it. I can't make you not fall for DARVO. All I can do is point out that this is the recurring trend she does of her own volition.
Ayrt
I was expecting the "are you elisabluh" response lmao. No, I'm not here to impersonate her. I never even said I like her or anything. I agree that she's being annoying and should stop poking the hornet's nest.
But I stand by my point. This is indeed a golden fairy thing on a pixel game. It's perfectly fine and understandable to feel frustrated about its inflated price, but to start calling for rules to suddenly make certain ways of selling *a pixel item you own fair and square* a bannable offense is such an extreme overreaction. It doesn't matter if said item is very popular and desirable. And the harassment she's facing is no better (I'd argue it's even worse) than what she's doing. This isn't AstralCrescent who goes around attacking people for existing. This is someone who's playing with fake numbers.
I don't get why whenever an item is priced in a way someone doesn't like (applies to undercutting as well), there are always genuine calls for staff to do something and comparisons to irl scalping scenarios. This is a game. Calm the fuck down?
I was expecting the "are you elisabluh" response lmao. No, I'm not here to impersonate her. I never even said I like her or anything. I agree that she's being annoying and should stop poking the hornet's nest.
But I stand by my point. This is indeed a golden fairy thing on a pixel game. It's perfectly fine and understandable to feel frustrated about its inflated price, but to start calling for rules to suddenly make certain ways of selling *a pixel item you own fair and square* a bannable offense is such an extreme overreaction. It doesn't matter if said item is very popular and desirable. And the harassment she's facing is no better (I'd argue it's even worse) than what she's doing. This isn't AstralCrescent who goes around attacking people for existing. This is someone who's playing with fake numbers.
I don't get why whenever an item is priced in a way someone doesn't like (applies to undercutting as well), there are always genuine calls for staff to do something and comparisons to irl scalping scenarios. This is a game. Calm the fuck down?
were you not here for that specific frd thread yesterday lol? she was trying to gaslight us that people weren't buying light sprites for >120kg when she was not only selling them for 200kg, she was getting an offer of 135kg!
https://archive.is/qzOOg
https://imgur.com/a/iFkIidl
also please read this before defending her: https://anonrerising.dreamwidth.org/6960.html?thread=8072240#cmt8072240
there's a pattern of behavior of her inserting herself into any discussions of the light sprite situation to make her look like the victim for years so i'd say the vitriol is self-inflicted at this point. it would've been easy for her to just keep a low profile about this whole thing but no, she repeatedly chooses not to do that.
for the record, i don't think she deserves to get banned or chased off the site as what she did is ultimately not against the rules, despite it being really annoying. but i don't think the general disdain over her behavior and discontent over the light sprite inflation situation is unwarranted. i can only hope that staff decides to remedy the situation by increasing the supply of light sprites, and probably all y1 fest items, through more than roundsey so it's harder for ONE person or group of friends to manipulate prices.
https://archive.is/qzOOg
https://imgur.com/a/iFkIidl
also please read this before defending her: https://anonrerising.dreamwidth.org/6960.html?thread=8072240#cmt8072240
there's a pattern of behavior of her inserting herself into any discussions of the light sprite situation to make her look like the victim for years so i'd say the vitriol is self-inflicted at this point. it would've been easy for her to just keep a low profile about this whole thing but no, she repeatedly chooses not to do that.
for the record, i don't think she deserves to get banned or chased off the site as what she did is ultimately not against the rules, despite it being really annoying. but i don't think the general disdain over her behavior and discontent over the light sprite inflation situation is unwarranted. i can only hope that staff decides to remedy the situation by increasing the supply of light sprites, and probably all y1 fest items, through more than roundsey so it's harder for ONE person or group of friends to manipulate prices.
AYRT
> but to start calling for rules to suddenly make certain ways of selling *a pixel item you own fair and square* a bannable offense is such an extreme overreaction.
why?
are you willfully ignoring that people are calling for this to be a bannable offense because this person is INTENTIONALLY manipulating the market for their own benefit? this is not something that happens naturally as the amount of a limited item increases. it's normal for a retired item to increase in price over the years, but the light sprite SPECFICICALLY has been incredibly inflated because of 1-2 people cornering the market.
buying up all cheaper sprites and then only selling for 180kg+ (and acting like a shithole when people try to ask for a slightly more reasonable price), should be a bannable offense. it should be a bannable offense regardless of the item involved.
if you are trying to ARTIFICALLY inflate the worth of an item so you can sell it for more, yes. you should be banned. like i said, there is no way to accidentally do this. it is intentional.
you are being willfully obtuse if you don't see how this is genuinely unusual gameplay that should not be encouraged. this has nothing to do with undercutting or people trying to sell things for more than they're worth (in a one off situation) and is not even close.
> but to start calling for rules to suddenly make certain ways of selling *a pixel item you own fair and square* a bannable offense is such an extreme overreaction.
why?
are you willfully ignoring that people are calling for this to be a bannable offense because this person is INTENTIONALLY manipulating the market for their own benefit? this is not something that happens naturally as the amount of a limited item increases. it's normal for a retired item to increase in price over the years, but the light sprite SPECFICICALLY has been incredibly inflated because of 1-2 people cornering the market.
buying up all cheaper sprites and then only selling for 180kg+ (and acting like a shithole when people try to ask for a slightly more reasonable price), should be a bannable offense. it should be a bannable offense regardless of the item involved.
if you are trying to ARTIFICALLY inflate the worth of an item so you can sell it for more, yes. you should be banned. like i said, there is no way to accidentally do this. it is intentional.
you are being willfully obtuse if you don't see how this is genuinely unusual gameplay that should not be encouraged. this has nothing to do with undercutting or people trying to sell things for more than they're worth (in a one off situation) and is not even close.
sa
oops meant to say "as the amount of a limited item decreases"
i should specify that this is something FR staff should make rules about because they have an extremely stable economy, and letting people get away with shit like this is exactly why the neopets economy turned to poop. people started making groups where they would buy up all of certain stamps (and other items), and then only sell them for incredibly inflated amounts. people had no choice but to buy from them as a lot of these items were retired.
this is not behavior that you should encourage or allow if you want a healthy game economy to exist.
oops meant to say "as the amount of a limited item decreases"
i should specify that this is something FR staff should make rules about because they have an extremely stable economy, and letting people get away with shit like this is exactly why the neopets economy turned to poop. people started making groups where they would buy up all of certain stamps (and other items), and then only sell them for incredibly inflated amounts. people had no choice but to buy from them as a lot of these items were retired.
this is not behavior that you should encourage or allow if you want a healthy game economy to exist.
Hurricane Maria destroyed my home country and yet I still found time to bitch about Neopets as soon as I had internet access back then. People can care about multiple things at once. Even dumb things.
ayrt
You only want it to be a bannable offense because you're mad about it and dislike the user responsible. There's no rational reason for it. There's no rational reason whatsoever for staff to start controlling the market with bans. Bringing back light sprites? Yeah, that would work, and the entire playerbase including me would be very happy about it!
It happens again and again, someone plays the market, it results in prices players don't like, and because they can't accept that reality, they start calling for staff to PUNISH the people who do it. You do realize how entitled that sounds right. You can complain about player-set prices without condemning the players themselves, oh my god.
You only want it to be a bannable offense because you're mad about it and dislike the user responsible. There's no rational reason for it. There's no rational reason whatsoever for staff to start controlling the market with bans. Bringing back light sprites? Yeah, that would work, and the entire playerbase including me would be very happy about it!
It happens again and again, someone plays the market, it results in prices players don't like, and because they can't accept that reality, they start calling for staff to PUNISH the people who do it. You do realize how entitled that sounds right. You can complain about player-set prices without condemning the players themselves, oh my god.
ayrt
you really seem to lack any amount of reading comprehension, so it's really not worth it to repeat what i've already said multiple times. continue to suckle from the teat, i'm sure it'll do you well.
you really seem to lack any amount of reading comprehension, so it's really not worth it to repeat what i've already said multiple times. continue to suckle from the teat, i'm sure it'll do you well.
ayrt
I was! I've seen most of what she's said and done, I never claimed to like her or agree with her. I am in the same boat as most others, I want a light sprite, and I want staff to unretire them, I think their price is too high. And yeah she doesn't seem to care for keeping a low profile thus I have half a mind to believe that she's purposefully trying to anger people, which is working I guess, but also is toxic as has been said. Playing the market isn't against the rules, but doing things specifically to rile up the community is, and if she really is doing that, then that's where staff should intervene. Unfortunately that's hard to prove especially if much of it is going on off-site.
I was! I've seen most of what she's said and done, I never claimed to like her or agree with her. I am in the same boat as most others, I want a light sprite, and I want staff to unretire them, I think their price is too high. And yeah she doesn't seem to care for keeping a low profile thus I have half a mind to believe that she's purposefully trying to anger people, which is working I guess, but also is toxic as has been said. Playing the market isn't against the rules, but doing things specifically to rile up the community is, and if she really is doing that, then that's where staff should intervene. Unfortunately that's hard to prove especially if much of it is going on off-site.
DA
I'm really confused why you think playing the market is the same as creating a monopoly...? To me, playing the market would be something like dragon flipping. Buying hatchlings at a lower price and selling them as adults at a higher price, or flipping gen 1s etc. Which are completely valid playstyles regardless of how mad it makes some people on FRD. What is people are accusing Elisabluh of is different than that though. She's being accused of buying up a large amount of a limited item, only so that she can hoard them and force people to pay exorbitant prices for one. Because the market is so limited, other players who are unaware follow her forced price range or if they list for cheaper, who's to say that she's not continuing to buy those up. That's a lot different, and I can understand why people want there to be rules against it. I don't know that I would agree with banning her now since the rule doesn't exist, but I think staff should consider making guidelines about this behaviour.
The increase in price is entirely fake and is only happening because someone has a monopoly over the market. I can understand why the other anon is concerned that this type of behaviour will become more prevalent if staff doesn't do anything about it.
I'm really confused why you think playing the market is the same as creating a monopoly...? To me, playing the market would be something like dragon flipping. Buying hatchlings at a lower price and selling them as adults at a higher price, or flipping gen 1s etc. Which are completely valid playstyles regardless of how mad it makes some people on FRD. What is people are accusing Elisabluh of is different than that though. She's being accused of buying up a large amount of a limited item, only so that she can hoard them and force people to pay exorbitant prices for one. Because the market is so limited, other players who are unaware follow her forced price range or if they list for cheaper, who's to say that she's not continuing to buy those up. That's a lot different, and I can understand why people want there to be rules against it. I don't know that I would agree with banning her now since the rule doesn't exist, but I think staff should consider making guidelines about this behaviour.
The increase in price is entirely fake and is only happening because someone has a monopoly over the market. I can understand why the other anon is concerned that this type of behaviour will become more prevalent if staff doesn't do anything about it.
Idk about you anon but encouraging this sort of behavior on what is a silly dragon pet sim is pretty stupid. Despite this just being a game, it has an economy which people will always draw real world comparisons to. That's just the way it will always be. Imo someone specifically targeting an item and trying to get the price increased is a really shitty thing to do and yes they deserve to have some action taken against them for it.
That being said I don't condone anyone harassing anyone directly in any situation, that I can definitely agree is overboard if that is happening. I find it funny that you come on here and say we can't keep our feelings in check when you are getting all up in arms to defend them? Clearly you also have very strong feelings about this as well. I'm sure you can see where the frustration stems from on this issue if you read this entire thread, especially because Elisabluh's attitude is just terrible about the topic and doesn't help her own case in the slightest.
That being said I don't condone anyone harassing anyone directly in any situation, that I can definitely agree is overboard if that is happening. I find it funny that you come on here and say we can't keep our feelings in check when you are getting all up in arms to defend them? Clearly you also have very strong feelings about this as well. I'm sure you can see where the frustration stems from on this issue if you read this entire thread, especially because Elisabluh's attitude is just terrible about the topic and doesn't help her own case in the slightest.
Ayrt
I don't know what other petsites you're talking from aside from neopets I guess since it's been mentioned to me several times now. I've heard a lot of horror stories about neopets economy. Maybe they need these rules idk. But there is a reason I don't play that game.
Inserting herself into these discussions is of course not wise on her behalf but I do want to point out that whenever anyone at all goes like "omg light sprite prices are so high??" on the forums or in salt spaces, at least one person will drop in and respond with "well that's because one user in the past inflated the price on purpose!! so evil am I right they should be banned for that", so it's not like people are letting go. It seems like the more it spreads, the more the community latches on to it. Elisabluh responding to it isn't helping, but it's practically considered a part of FR history at this point and is talked about like a campfire horror story. Nevermind the fact that this is a real person in real life, not just some lightsprites boogeyman.
I don't know what other petsites you're talking from aside from neopets I guess since it's been mentioned to me several times now. I've heard a lot of horror stories about neopets economy. Maybe they need these rules idk. But there is a reason I don't play that game.
Inserting herself into these discussions is of course not wise on her behalf but I do want to point out that whenever anyone at all goes like "omg light sprite prices are so high??" on the forums or in salt spaces, at least one person will drop in and respond with "well that's because one user in the past inflated the price on purpose!! so evil am I right they should be banned for that", so it's not like people are letting go. It seems like the more it spreads, the more the community latches on to it. Elisabluh responding to it isn't helping, but it's practically considered a part of FR history at this point and is talked about like a campfire horror story. Nevermind the fact that this is a real person in real life, not just some lightsprites boogeyman.
DA
I'm sorry but I also have to ask, are you Elisabluh???? Yes... people post that one specific user caused the price inflation because.... that's what happened. And it spreads because the problem still persists... Do you want people to idk, ignore what's happening and not talk about it? I really can't understand your goal here if you're not Elisabluh or a friend of her's.
I'm sorry but I also have to ask, are you Elisabluh???? Yes... people post that one specific user caused the price inflation because.... that's what happened. And it spreads because the problem still persists... Do you want people to idk, ignore what's happening and not talk about it? I really can't understand your goal here if you're not Elisabluh or a friend of her's.
Considering your replies to a previous anon, I don't know if this will do anything, but here is my pov.
A year 1 item has been inflated to higher than kickstarter items, and not only has Elisabluh been causing it, she keeps jumping into threads to gloat and troll. The vitriol is caused by shit like going into threads to gaslight people into believing this was a natural price increase and posting shit like "no support, lol" on threads of folks discussing a suggestion to put year 1 items out again. If she would stfu, the anger would just be simmering. She drives it to the boiling point.
She rubs it in. It feels like she enjoys that she can completely wipe out the ability to buy a light sprite by buying out all auctions.
I will be honest, I'm not calling for banning her. I'm calling for rereleasing the item in a rare way, like joxboxes.(which would hurt the market for items I own. This is not an "I want a light sprite" take) Because with a ban, her hoard gets removed from the game and we don't know how many she bought to corner the market.
But yea, other games do ban for this. It's not unreasonable to call for it. Or to be angry at her for it.
A year 1 item has been inflated to higher than kickstarter items, and not only has Elisabluh been causing it, she keeps jumping into threads to gloat and troll. The vitriol is caused by shit like going into threads to gaslight people into believing this was a natural price increase and posting shit like "no support, lol" on threads of folks discussing a suggestion to put year 1 items out again. If she would stfu, the anger would just be simmering. She drives it to the boiling point.
She rubs it in. It feels like she enjoys that she can completely wipe out the ability to buy a light sprite by buying out all auctions.
I will be honest, I'm not calling for banning her. I'm calling for rereleasing the item in a rare way, like joxboxes.(which would hurt the market for items I own. This is not an "I want a light sprite" take) Because with a ban, her hoard gets removed from the game and we don't know how many she bought to corner the market.
But yea, other games do ban for this. It's not unreasonable to call for it. Or to be angry at her for it.
This reply is really obtuse and is purposely ignoring the main problem here.
It can be argued that being upset or mad about player's prices for things like eliminates and the like, stuff that is hard to obtain but there's always the chance to get yourself. That to be mad about it is eye-roll worthy.
Is something completely different to try and apply that line of thinking to Retired things that have a limited number for obvyreasons, you can say "but these are put in site raffles" and that's right! But the numbers don't increase to demand (and there's the chance that a multi can be caught winning half of them, making them lost anyway).
To get your hands on the whole stock of retired items, to sell them THREE times its current price, then act coy about it, is indistinguishable from scalping.
Or I am overthinking and all of this is just to troll/fuck with the players.
It can be argued that being upset or mad about player's prices for things like eliminates and the like, stuff that is hard to obtain but there's always the chance to get yourself. That to be mad about it is eye-roll worthy.
Is something completely different to try and apply that line of thinking to Retired things that have a limited number for obvyreasons, you can say "but these are put in site raffles" and that's right! But the numbers don't increase to demand (and there's the chance that a multi can be caught winning half of them, making them lost anyway).
To get your hands on the whole stock of retired items, to sell them THREE times its current price, then act coy about it, is indistinguishable from scalping.
Or I am overthinking and all of this is just to troll/fuck with the players.
It's still playing the market. And she doesn't have a monopoly, she could only have a monopoly if she owned every single light sprite, which will never happen. Yeah the market is scarce, so it looks like she has a monopoly, but it's not like she MADE the market scarce; it was already scarce before and has been for way longer than this has been going on for. It was only a matter of time before this kind of thing happened anyway, the sprites were sitting ducks on the AH and all it ever takes is someone with enough gems. Unretiring the light sprite is a reasonable way of undoing this inflation; banning someone for something that the staff themselves indirectly caused is not.
I mean, if they went the ban route, they'd have to also take away the sprites from her account, and redistribute them somehow. But since they're rightfully hers, she didn't (presumably) aquire them through cheating, they can't do that without changing a whole bunch of other rules as well. And that would apply to all future price inflating bans; what would happen to the hoarded items? We just lose them forever? But hey, at least the evil hoarder is defeated, right?
If you want to sell your light sprite to someone who isn't Elisabluh to avoid it being hoarded, block her. Go on the sales forums if you want extra security and skip the AH entirely. If you want to buy a light sprite for cheaper, once again go on sales forums. It's not like AH is the be-all and end-all of sales. Communication is a thing you can do.
I mean, if they went the ban route, they'd have to also take away the sprites from her account, and redistribute them somehow. But since they're rightfully hers, she didn't (presumably) aquire them through cheating, they can't do that without changing a whole bunch of other rules as well. And that would apply to all future price inflating bans; what would happen to the hoarded items? We just lose them forever? But hey, at least the evil hoarder is defeated, right?
If you want to sell your light sprite to someone who isn't Elisabluh to avoid it being hoarded, block her. Go on the sales forums if you want extra security and skip the AH entirely. If you want to buy a light sprite for cheaper, once again go on sales forums. It's not like AH is the be-all and end-all of sales. Communication is a thing you can do.
Page 9 of 72