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anonrerising2024-10-08 11:48 am
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FlowerOfFire (#696987) saying that people are "policing the feelings of light flight" because things don't match the "aesthetic" is fucking rich.
I need to make a Scolipede fandragon now.
I have blocked more people from my own damn flight today than I ever had in the past, like wtf is wrong with some of yall?
LMAO and there's the thread lock. Aequorin isn't playing around today, damn.
I agree. I've been trying to put words to it for a while, but the concepts for the story of FR from over a decade ago were very contemporary to internet culture at that time. There was some awareness about "problematic" subjects and how to best handle them, but there was more emphasis on the meaning of a story being its darker elements. This was, I think, the original direction. Over ten years later, the devs have had to experience moderating a community of 13+ content, have had to redefine what is and is not acceptable, listen to feedback and a changing internet culture, and revisit their own visions and plans for FR. This means that some of the more grim implications likely won't get revisited... Because all it takes is one asshole to say "well this is cannon so my grimdark edgelord offensive bullshit is welcome on this website."
To be clear: I think that it is a healthier direction overall, even if it does take away opportunities for the lore to be expanded upon. Writing a story for one-way audience consumption is much different than hosting a whole world for people to play nicely in.
To be clear: I think that it is a healthier direction overall, even if it does take away opportunities for the lore to be expanded upon. Writing a story for one-way audience consumption is much different than hosting a whole world for people to play nicely in.
My block button is eating sooooo good lately, first the Event(tm) thread and now the everlux rant thread where I can block a bunch of idiots I never wanna interact with. It is a gold mine for refining my user experience on FR lol.
Pretty much this.
Additionally - FR lore is set up as a framework for people to write their own stories in. FR doesn’t allow for really dark stuff (PG-13 label after all) but there’s still room for lots of unsettling and complex dark topics in that range. But if you want to make lore accessible to everyone, it’s a lot easier to have a story that’s relatively mundane that can then be used in both a fluffy and a terrible context than it is to start with something Grimdark and lighten it up.
Additionally - FR lore is set up as a framework for people to write their own stories in. FR doesn’t allow for really dark stuff (PG-13 label after all) but there’s still room for lots of unsettling and complex dark topics in that range. But if you want to make lore accessible to everyone, it’s a lot easier to have a story that’s relatively mundane that can then be used in both a fluffy and a terrible context than it is to start with something Grimdark and lighten it up.
DA adding some quotes from the "Anyone else disappointed" thread to show how people are being Weird About It
Cryoluxa - "I wish we had a Light Ancient (like, glows? Elegant (slender, pristine)? Cute, at least? Kirin? Rabbit?) instead of...this."
""horrendously and grotesquely bulging" is a common thing in horror design for a reason. If nothing else, it comes across as unhealthy"
"it's the fat itself that's scary, not the thing with the fat on it. Makes you think of choking and dying and stuff, at its tamest"
ArtanisNerwen - "Aethers, but ugly and fat. And they look even less like dragons"
Cryoluxa - "I wish we had a Light Ancient (like, glows? Elegant (slender, pristine)? Cute, at least? Kirin? Rabbit?) instead of...this."
""horrendously and grotesquely bulging" is a common thing in horror design for a reason. If nothing else, it comes across as unhealthy"
"it's the fat itself that's scary, not the thing with the fat on it. Makes you think of choking and dying and stuff, at its tamest"
ArtanisNerwen - "Aethers, but ugly and fat. And they look even less like dragons"
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/3376399
https://archive.is/OK2cP
"Hey guys, I wasn't trying to say that fat couldn't be elegant, I just thought that this shape (FAT) wasn't elegant. Now that I have been admonished as part of the collective called out by an actual moderator I am going to pay lip service and say they are elegant in their own special, fat way."
https://archive.is/OK2cP
"Hey guys, I wasn't trying to say that fat couldn't be elegant, I just thought that this shape (FAT) wasn't elegant. Now that I have been admonished as part of the collective called out by an actual moderator I am going to pay lip service and say they are elegant in their own special, fat way."
As someone who *is* fat and who *is* "not proportional" and who *has* a large belly for their build... Man it has been painful reading through a lot of the justifications as to why this breed is bad. And no the "pregnant" comments don't help either. I'm going to ignore the forums for a week and just play with these new dragons, RIP my projects tab.
Good on you for archiving, that thread will surely be locked soon. What a weirdly bitchy post to write.
AYRT
Yes and, they don't want to alienate their userbase. Which, again, being trauma-aware and listening to the community about what is and is not comfortable is a good thing imo.
Yes and, they don't want to alienate their userbase. Which, again, being trauma-aware and listening to the community about what is and is not comfortable is a good thing imo.
Agreed. People's perceptions of light flight and "light lairs" have drifted from staff intention for light flight and it creates kind of a bonkers expectation gap.
Like yeah, the stereotypical light lair is 3 dozen angel umas. But there is very little in-lore, in-canon to support that.
What's also kind of strange to me is the number of people who saw the teaser and said they wanted an eldritch horror instead of something cute, only to turn around and express distaste for Everlux because they're "gross" (not for their poses/readability or other concerns)
Like.... idk
Like yeah, the stereotypical light lair is 3 dozen angel umas. But there is very little in-lore, in-canon to support that.
What's also kind of strange to me is the number of people who saw the teaser and said they wanted an eldritch horror instead of something cute, only to turn around and express distaste for Everlux because they're "gross" (not for their poses/readability or other concerns)
Like.... idk
I think if we HAD gotten a body horror eldritch horror dragon, these same would be super upset. They're all using eldritch horror as code for "6 angel wings" for some reason.
I want also to point out especially the post of DragxnBlxxd #360515:
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/3376149/32#post_57864450
http://web.archive.org/web/20241112234121/https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/3376149/32
They first proceed to say they don't like Sandsurges, and then proceed to post dragons that look VERY MUCH like Sandsurges, like buddy, are you okay or just blind? Especially the last one, that is just a Sandsurge with fur sans the back sails.
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/3376149/32#post_57864450
http://web.archive.org/web/20241112234121/https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/3376149/32
They first proceed to say they don't like Sandsurges, and then proceed to post dragons that look VERY MUCH like Sandsurges, like buddy, are you okay or just blind? Especially the last one, that is just a Sandsurge with fur sans the back sails.
People expecting an actual angel-esque dragon were always setting themselves up for disappointment. It’s one thing to lean into the aesthetic for apparel or even genes - it’s another entirely to actually create a breed that’s basically Religious Symbol dragon. I feel like people forget the source these BIBLICALLY accurate angels they base their lair aesthetic on come from.
people who don't like everlux because they're 'ugly and gross' could never actually handle eldritch, methinks, outside of watered down "aesthetic" eldritch. eldritch - even across interpretations - involves a lot of body horror and extremely common phobia elements, and with how many players are fast to squick out on tame icks done inoffensively (not specifically the players who experience phobia reactions, though they understandably are fast to squick, too), they'd be begging about an image block toggle for the entire species.
cute as hell but fr please fuck off and give us moderns </3 I'm tired of dragons I can't dress.
my brother in christ we literally just got fathoms in June
shame it is a gem gene, why have gem genes to be such bangers always ugh there goes my money lol
w...we got one 4 months ago. the staff working on moderns is separate from staff working on ancients, so certainly they're working on it, but it's gonna take a lot longer than this unless you want to foot the bill on several more artists' salaries and whatever associated fees with hiring them.
I mean, I get wanting a space to vent... but the thread *was* posed as a question asking *if* people were disappointed
SA
like how did you miss the fathom release when they were the hottest topic for something like an entire month? did you think they were released last year by accident?
like how did you miss the fathom release when they were the hottest topic for something like an entire month? did you think they were released last year by accident?
"Flight concepts, the elemental forces of Sornieth, are more than just the shape of the body."
Absolutely (And vasemod and I have a similar mindset, so we're watching these threads, too.)
Absolutely (And vasemod and I have a similar mindset, so we're watching these threads, too.)
da
if you use a pose flip on a male everclear, a male fantom and it will boop noses
if you use a pose flip on a male everclear, a male fantom and it will boop noses
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