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NAYRT, but right?! there's a lot of creativity going into some of these elaborate facades, and that creativity should be nourished, instead of wielded as this cudgel with which to say "I'm more valid than you so my opinions are sexier & more correct," like the other anon was talking about.
wanting to be paid attention to & cared for & loved is very Human. but "attention seeking" has been maligned as a personal failing, rather than a need for attention/care that deserves to be met. it's just such a shame that, instead of getting (professional/medical/supportive) attention for whatever conditions ARE going on with these fakers (because they do deserve that support & care), they decide to take to the Internet & spread misinformation that reduces severe, legitimate conditions down to a fashion aesthetic & a set of roleplay character cards. roles to be filled - protector/trauma holder/little. even "faceclaims" - i'm the real JoJo Adventure TM, don't reality check me & doubles DNI. BLECH i don't even like repeating it, but i think it is important to talk about. i know seeing "dissenters" can reinforce the insular nature of these types of communities - "see, the rest of the world doesn't care about us, only We know what is true and right" - but i have also spoken directly with "former fakers" who told me that they felt encouraged to speak the truth after seeing metered, reasonable discussion between others who explained the harm caused by spreading misinformation, and reassuring "current fakers" that it's OK to change your mind, and that you still deserve community & care, just in a healthier way than sticking with people who encourage you to be "sicker" rather than exploring the nuances behind what might be causing ill health or "bad behavior" (which i put in scare quotes because disruptive/unwanted/unhealthy behaviors are very often just symptoms of unmet needs).
ANYWAY. bringing it back to Flight Rising, i've seen discussions about DID pop up on the saltminerising tumblr before, including someone saying like, "i hope staff recognizes systems!! we should be able to have an alt account for every guy :3" and "hahaha i was being rude & nasty to people on the forums yesterday but it totally wAsN't Me, aren't i so quirky?"
i think perhaps a not-insignificant portion of the regular commenters there might fall into Faker/Oversharer territory themselves, because you get responses like "Flight Rising not letting me have 12 accounts is ableism! reporting people for being multis is like calling the cops!" and other such wild takes.
puts a bad taste in my mouth.
wanting to be paid attention to & cared for & loved is very Human. but "attention seeking" has been maligned as a personal failing, rather than a need for attention/care that deserves to be met. it's just such a shame that, instead of getting (professional/medical/supportive) attention for whatever conditions ARE going on with these fakers (because they do deserve that support & care), they decide to take to the Internet & spread misinformation that reduces severe, legitimate conditions down to a fashion aesthetic & a set of roleplay character cards. roles to be filled - protector/trauma holder/little. even "faceclaims" - i'm the real JoJo Adventure TM, don't reality check me & doubles DNI. BLECH i don't even like repeating it, but i think it is important to talk about. i know seeing "dissenters" can reinforce the insular nature of these types of communities - "see, the rest of the world doesn't care about us, only We know what is true and right" - but i have also spoken directly with "former fakers" who told me that they felt encouraged to speak the truth after seeing metered, reasonable discussion between others who explained the harm caused by spreading misinformation, and reassuring "current fakers" that it's OK to change your mind, and that you still deserve community & care, just in a healthier way than sticking with people who encourage you to be "sicker" rather than exploring the nuances behind what might be causing ill health or "bad behavior" (which i put in scare quotes because disruptive/unwanted/unhealthy behaviors are very often just symptoms of unmet needs).
ANYWAY. bringing it back to Flight Rising, i've seen discussions about DID pop up on the saltminerising tumblr before, including someone saying like, "i hope staff recognizes systems!! we should be able to have an alt account for every guy :3" and "hahaha i was being rude & nasty to people on the forums yesterday but it totally wAsN't Me, aren't i so quirky?"
i think perhaps a not-insignificant portion of the regular commenters there might fall into Faker/Oversharer territory themselves, because you get responses like "Flight Rising not letting me have 12 accounts is ableism! reporting people for being multis is like calling the cops!" and other such wild takes.
puts a bad taste in my mouth.
right, totally Not a performance roleplaying with oneself in a public venue hoping to be noticed. yowza.
it hurts too seeing how many people in these groups are in their late twenties/early thirties still engaging in these types of behaviors.
it hurts too seeing how many people in these groups are in their late twenties/early thirties still engaging in these types of behaviors.
I wish I could help these people, but I know it's not my job and none of my business. Plus, my energy is better spent elsewhere. Still, it makes me sad thinking about them suffering in toxic social groups with unaddressed mental health issues :(
for the uninitiated, what is plural kit?
It's a discord bot that lets you create proxies, which you can then assign to specific text indicators, for example- say I make one for one of my dragons.
I'd set it to "D:text"
Whenever I type in something like "D: Good morning!"
It'll show up in discord like Dragon: Good morning!
The text I entered is automatically deleted by the bot, so it looks like my dragon said good morning, not me.
Like this: https://i.gyazo.com/c398e3a829775df6c6d2a8b20fdaf27a.png
There's another bot called Tupperbox that does the same thing, and folks usually use it for RP- like in my example.
I'd set it to "D:text"
Whenever I type in something like "D: Good morning!"
It'll show up in discord like Dragon: Good morning!
The text I entered is automatically deleted by the bot, so it looks like my dragon said good morning, not me.
Like this: https://i.gyazo.com/c398e3a829775df6c6d2a8b20fdaf27a.png
There's another bot called Tupperbox that does the same thing, and folks usually use it for RP- like in my example.
God no, I hate the current situation but I don't want to to back to people thinking that they are 4real Sans Skeleton kin and have "memories" from their past character life in an alternate dimension... The amount of bullying people tried to justify with this was insane. I saw one person in their 20s kinning invader zim, and calling various people abusive for "drawing him doing things he didn't consent to", such as... wearing a different wig and holding hands with Marvin the Martian.
I see some younger millennials and older gen z using kin as shorthand for 'I identity with x character', but the whole history of people using kinning as a bullying tactic and transphobia being a big reason for its more widespread use in 2014-2017 leaves a super gross taste in my mouth whenever I see it. The 'I am angel/sans/plant/wolf/ kin' bios in 2016 you could directly trace to people on 4chan and KF that were creating these accounts to be incredibly shitty about trans people, and it's still a thing they pull out on twitter from time to time. If you see an 'info' post about catkin going around on twt that's literally a thing created in a 4chan thread to fuck with y'all.
I see some younger millennials and older gen z using kin as shorthand for 'I identity with x character', but the whole history of people using kinning as a bullying tactic and transphobia being a big reason for its more widespread use in 2014-2017 leaves a super gross taste in my mouth whenever I see it. The 'I am angel/sans/plant/wolf/ kin' bios in 2016 you could directly trace to people on 4chan and KF that were creating these accounts to be incredibly shitty about trans people, and it's still a thing they pull out on twitter from time to time. If you see an 'info' post about catkin going around on twt that's literally a thing created in a 4chan thread to fuck with y'all.
AYRT - thank you for the explainer, this makes sense :)
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You also can't block the pluralkit proxies, so one person with a handful of these can make a server unusable. Most of the time it's obnoxious but not malicious, basically just watching someone rp in a space not meant for rp. Occasionally you see people using it as a tool for harassment, since they know they can get around being blocked this way.
You also can't block the pluralkit proxies, so one person with a handful of these can make a server unusable. Most of the time it's obnoxious but not malicious, basically just watching someone rp in a space not meant for rp. Occasionally you see people using it as a tool for harassment, since they know they can get around being blocked this way.
I've found pluralkit makes discords horribly laggy if someone using one is talking a lot. It messes up the chat flow and makes things sluggish
I'll be honest, I never saw the transphobic problems from KF and 4chan. But maybe I was lucky enough to get out before that started.
I mostly just saw issues where it was being used for idiotic fandom bullying.
"Don't talk to me if you rp or write about this character, because you're writing about me." Is not really a great argument when someone else made the character.
I mostly just saw issues where it was being used for idiotic fandom bullying.
"Don't talk to me if you rp or write about this character, because you're writing about me." Is not really a great argument when someone else made the character.
To be fair, tumblr during that period and earlier (say 2013-2014) was pretty bad in general. Remember those preachy holier-than-thou PSAs with danganronpa characters? Yeah. There were a LOT of 'my opinion is more valid than yours' bullying over liking/disliking a ship or problematic character etc. and kinning is just in the crossfire because people who do this shit happens to have kin bios and use it as an excuse.
I don't think kinning itself is the problem - it's just roleplaying in fancy packaging IMO. People just took things too far and happen to be associated with it. I don't know much about the 4chan stuff to really comment on that.
I don't think kinning itself is the problem - it's just roleplaying in fancy packaging IMO. People just took things too far and happen to be associated with it. I don't know much about the 4chan stuff to really comment on that.
i dislike pluralkit so much
i feel like everyone who uses it is so over the top and extra, not only about their DID rp. i quoted someone using it so i could respond to their trade offer, and they got mad at me bc i didn't ping them right lmao
i also find it kind of uncomfortable to see what i initially perceive as complete strangers acting familiar with me.
if this really helps ppl with DID that's awesome, but it's getting to the point that i roll my eyes when i see pluralkit is in a server. and it shouldn't be like that. this should be an accessibility tool for people with a rare but legitimate disability. :/
i feel like everyone who uses it is so over the top and extra, not only about their DID rp. i quoted someone using it so i could respond to their trade offer, and they got mad at me bc i didn't ping them right lmao
i also find it kind of uncomfortable to see what i initially perceive as complete strangers acting familiar with me.
if this really helps ppl with DID that's awesome, but it's getting to the point that i roll my eyes when i see pluralkit is in a server. and it shouldn't be like that. this should be an accessibility tool for people with a rare but legitimate disability. :/
replying to myself to say that i'm one of the people who took "kinning" to mean "i am a fan & relate to this character" - didn't realize that it's popularly taken to the "i AM this character & not even the original creator knows him like i do because he IS me" level, RIP (though that's not to say we can't "take" a character away from their original creator & write them "better" in our fanworks, lol).
i'm not in the "MCYT/minecraft youtuber" circles, but i read some wild stuff recently about how one of the artists working on some MCYT-related project had a discord server for that project where another member one day suddenly "developed an alter" of that artist (who i'll just call A for Artist because i'm having trouble finding the source of the story) and was posting in the discord "acting like" A, with a display name like A's, et cetera. A obviously was very discomfited by this, and when A expressed discomfort and asked that person to stop (because who would want to be impersonated by someone in their own discord server?), the other people in the server started calling A ableist because "the person with the A alter can't help who they are" and such. this snowballed into an entire receipts-type post calling for A to be removed from the project because "they're just an artist so they're easy to replace, and this ableism shouldn't be tolerated." so, a real social media campaign against an artist for... not wanting to be impersonated? that's not helping anybody.
i'm not in the "MCYT/minecraft youtuber" circles, but i read some wild stuff recently about how one of the artists working on some MCYT-related project had a discord server for that project where another member one day suddenly "developed an alter" of that artist (who i'll just call A for Artist because i'm having trouble finding the source of the story) and was posting in the discord "acting like" A, with a display name like A's, et cetera. A obviously was very discomfited by this, and when A expressed discomfort and asked that person to stop (because who would want to be impersonated by someone in their own discord server?), the other people in the server started calling A ableist because "the person with the A alter can't help who they are" and such. this snowballed into an entire receipts-type post calling for A to be removed from the project because "they're just an artist so they're easy to replace, and this ableism shouldn't be tolerated." so, a real social media campaign against an artist for... not wanting to be impersonated? that's not helping anybody.
Yeah, the previous version of this around 2015 used to be "I'm reincarnated/kin of A from a past life and I'm discovering my own memories as A"... And meanwhile A is still alive and well and posting on YT. Somewhat unsurprisingly a not insignificant amount of these were sock accounts coming from people coordinating on KF, who would then contact the person being impersonated and use the spectacle to push rhetoric like 'this is an example of how tans people are delusional'. It was gross. I don't think that's the same thing as what you're describing in this server with a mcyt alter, but it's similar enough for frysquint.gif
As someone with DID, I block anyone who "develops an alter" of a real person who is still alive.
That isn't how it fucking works, that's how you make people lose respect for legitimate disorders.
That isn't how it fucking works, that's how you make people lose respect for legitimate disorders.
how did this thread turn into kin drama discussion where are we man
starting a conversation is like planting a mystery seed in the ground. last time i looked at a calendar it was 2004
Because the current widespread fad of people faking a disorder, in this case DID, happens to be similar and in some cases a direct descendent of kin drama
so theres the dragons with art pinglist where people can, you guessed it, ping people if theyre selling dragons with art
ive bought a lot of the ones that i get pings for bc i like the art, and.. well i guess someones mad about it because someone keeps removing me from the pinglist and i keep missing pings
:(
ive bought a lot of the ones that i get pings for bc i like the art, and.. well i guess someones mad about it because someone keeps removing me from the pinglist and i keep missing pings
:(
jesus dude that sucks, im sorry :[ if the pinglist owner's dms are open, maybe bringing it to their attention could help? i'm aware of a few spreadsheets-based pinglists that dealt with someone's name getting maliciously added onto them, and the owners were able to resolve it
Reach out to the sheet owner, they could lock cell with yiur username so only they can edit it.
i didnt know they could do that! ill see about that, thank you to you and the anon above you
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