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Yeah, IDK. I wouldn't say all but two have dog or cat bodies, even if we're only talking moderns. And I don't see the mammalian back legs on the Bogsneaks, either.
Yeah, IDK. I wouldn't say all but two have dog or cat bodies, even if we're only talking moderns. And I don't see the mammalian back legs on the Bogsneaks, either.
during undels lightning ancient drawing stream she said that some of the other site artists do the sketch/concepts, and then she does the lienart and shading to keep those aspects consistent across breeds. IIRC xhaztol did the concept for bogsneaks, suburbansamurai did aethers and abbies, and idr the exact artist but undel said someone else did gaolers (sin maybe?). i dont have the timestamp for this but i think it was in the first stream
Re: Shian #13256 RMT for Flightrising and Chickensmoothie.
(Anonymous) 2023-07-15 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)A screenshot was publicly posted, so I don't doubt that one as much. Booleano must have been investigated when Feet got banned. But one of Shian's biggest customers, who can't be named on ARR, bought a really expensive dragon shortly after Willow changed hands if I recall. I think Shian sells dragons her buyers want, then sells the rest for gems and sells those off. Which is awful for the people who legitimately buy from her and get involved.
As for why Shian would sell a money printer, I think it's because the Naomi community would kill her for breeding again, so Willow was worthless to her. A new owner isn't bound by her promises. Also, with the heat on her rising when she sold her other G1 imp last year, she probably wanted to liquidate and get what she could.
As for why Shian would sell a money printer, I think it's because the Naomi community would kill her for breeding again, so Willow was worthless to her. A new owner isn't bound by her promises. Also, with the heat on her rising when she sold her other G1 imp last year, she probably wanted to liquidate and get what she could.
Re: Shian #13256 RMT for Flightrising and Chickensmoothie.
(Anonymous) 2023-07-15 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)She already had a schedule to breed Willow yearly, much like Booleano now, and Naomi community had no issues with it from the looks of it.
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/drs/2875545
Where is the 'would kill her' coming from?
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/drs/2875545
Where is the 'would kill her' coming from?
Re: Shian #13256 RMT for Flightrising and Chickensmoothie.
(Anonymous) 2023-07-15 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)My mistake on that, then. I read on Shian's old Willow thread that people were upset with her for continuing to breed, and an earlier message said she said she would stop, so I thought she was backed into a corner. My mistake there, I thought she was done breeding. Thinking the community would kill her over going back on her word was due to the community being insane, which I largely saw on SMR, when they targeted someone for not believing in the false progens and got outed for being a squad of bullies. That's how I arrived there, but if I had some incorrect information my assumption is entirely wrong.
That being said, my guess now is Shian didn't want to deal with the Naomi community because they're a bunch of entitled children.
That being said, my guess now is Shian didn't want to deal with the Naomi community because they're a bunch of entitled children.
Re: Shian #13256 RMT for Flightrising and Chickensmoothie.
(Anonymous) 2023-07-15 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)The Naomi discord is a cult that I won't touch with a 10 foot pole despite being into lineages. I'd guess the people who cared were there.
They also did this to me years ago! They spent a while on my 5 digit sales thread trying to offer 4kg-7kg because "they have bought many at that price", I didnt know much at the time so I was really upset they derailed my sales thread to devalue my dragon. Ive been annoyed about it ever since and spent hours trying to find it when I knew better years later because it was public but they must have deleted the evidence
nayrt
bruh 4kG for a 5 digit is insane. like mayyyybe i could let it slide if they were offering 15kG for a high 5-digit with a rough offspring list but 4kG??? the only way id accept 4kG for a 5 digit is if they were also sucking the balls
bruh 4kG for a 5 digit is insane. like mayyyybe i could let it slide if they were offering 15kG for a high 5-digit with a rough offspring list but 4kG??? the only way id accept 4kG for a 5 digit is if they were also sucking the balls
Re: Shian #13256 RMT for Flightrising and Chickensmoothie.
(Anonymous) 2023-07-16 04:53 am (UTC)(link)anon who first said Shian stopped breeding Willow - I should've added the phrase "with some exceptions."
I knew Shian had written a long explanation about what she'd do with Willow (as far as breeding and such), but I didn't feel like looking up the "receipts" so I didn't want to get too specific lol. That's my bad - thank you for coming through with the link.
Seems like Shian was a bit bullied into even having to write such an explainer in the first place, and I do feel bad for her honestly. It must be an insane amount of pressure knowing how many people are invested in what you do with your dragon like that. So many voices chiming in: "Breeding Willow devalues her existing offspring, previously thought to be exclusive!" / "Not breeding her is unfair to all the people who want to participate in the hype, but don't have FR riches!"
That surge of input is probably what the other person was talking about as far as "getting killed" over dragon decisions.
No wonder she ended up selling Willow !
I knew Shian had written a long explanation about what she'd do with Willow (as far as breeding and such), but I didn't feel like looking up the "receipts" so I didn't want to get too specific lol. That's my bad - thank you for coming through with the link.
Seems like Shian was a bit bullied into even having to write such an explainer in the first place, and I do feel bad for her honestly. It must be an insane amount of pressure knowing how many people are invested in what you do with your dragon like that. So many voices chiming in: "Breeding Willow devalues her existing offspring, previously thought to be exclusive!" / "Not breeding her is unfair to all the people who want to participate in the hype, but don't have FR riches!"
That surge of input is probably what the other person was talking about as far as "getting killed" over dragon decisions.
No wonder she ended up selling Willow !
I knew I couldn't be the only one who constantly feels weirded out by Alyxsandre. Between their obviously terrible price tactics and their entitlement to dragons that are sold, I'm just so over them.
NAYRT but also not a disagreement, just an addition. Any algorithm gets "broken" if the game isn't changed in any significant way over the course of years. If you look at other PvP games, the formulas and stuff are tweaked regularly or new content is added to freshen up the meta.
FR admin would not have had to worry about community backlash if they had been messing with dom since the start - but now because they have left it alone for so long, any change is going to be a big shock, and some people are not going to roll with the punches well. It will be very interesting to see if they let the meta continue in this direction or what they end up changing.
Earth dom orgs do a good job with their events but it's also like they're playing a completely different game than the rest of the flights and that is so strange! I don't envy their position at all.
FR admin would not have had to worry about community backlash if they had been messing with dom since the start - but now because they have left it alone for so long, any change is going to be a big shock, and some people are not going to roll with the punches well. It will be very interesting to see if they let the meta continue in this direction or what they end up changing.
Earth dom orgs do a good job with their events but it's also like they're playing a completely different game than the rest of the flights and that is so strange! I don't envy their position at all.
Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
(Anonymous) 2023-07-16 08:14 am (UTC)(link)From what I can tell, there were three reasons Ancients were excluded from apparel:
(1) Art
(2) Coding
(3) Thematic
Let's strike (3) off the list right now. Gameplay and story segregation, yo. If it doesn't fit with your personal lore for your ancient dragon to have a steampunk robot pet or something, don't put one on it, but pretending that there's a sacred cohesive lore that covers all the existing aesthetics items on the site and that putting anything but a skin on an ancient would violate it is pretty ridiculous. (Similarly the 'no apparel is what makes ancients special' argument. Then don't put it on your dragons, done.)
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(2) seems daunting but doable; there are a ton of situations already on the site where if [X] condition applies to a dragon, they cannot do [Y]. Perhaps most similarly, all moderns can have standard gene scrolls applied to them, ancients can only have their designated breed scrolls applied to them...except for remove gene scrolls, and those items are really just '[Primary/Secondary/Tertiary] Gene: Basic' scrolls when you think about it.
So universal/nonfitted apparel could function exactly like those remove gene scrolls - it could be compatible with all dragons, unlike its more specific counterparts.
The coding would be work, but it would only need to be done once.
~
That only leaves (1), and imo it's the only one that's particularly important. Ancients were intended as more limited to A) relieve crunch pressure on the artists while B) still allowing users to see new breeds more than every five years or so. Great goals, and they should always keep fulfilling that role.
But when there are so many items that would require no art effort beyond copy/pasting an existing layer (seriously, check out, say, autumn leaves on several different modern poses in succession. There are a limited number of arrangements that were simply re-used multiple times. Do the same for the ancients, pick one, make sure there isn't anything covering the dragon's eye or otherwise looking weird, done), but would add so much richness in customization possibilities, it seems frustrating for that to be a barrier.
Now, the argument here is usually the 'give a mouse a cookie' one. "If you let people have simple apparel on ancients, they'll clamor for more and more complex stuff! It'll never stop!"
...and? That seems like a feature, not a bug - as long as the clamoring is polite, which should apply to anything.
I don't feel like choosing which apparel to make universal should be a one-off deal.
First stage should be emperor's new clothes and marva's cloak - 0 art involvement there, and useful for all the reasons people put those things on modern dragons (yes, including the former, it's great if you want to protect a dragon from sale or exaltation but no design items or familiars fit with your personal lore for it) - and the simplest possible stuff like flowerfalls and auras.
Then things like floaty pets, emblems, mouth flowers, etc can be worked on slowly in the background. And it can mostly done by average humans as opposed to Capital-A-Artists (my own talents fall short of stick figures, Artists are superhuman and should be worshipped as such, but even someone like lame little me can take an existing image and move/rotate it around in a box). The existing coding can be used to convert those items to universal apparel when the images are ready.
Perhaps even simple semi-fitted things (like very small jewelry/crowns/earrings - probably nothing on wings/legs to preserve flexibility for future ancient designs, but I'm pretty sure no FR dragon will ever be designed without a head) can become universal with time - especially going forward, because from what I understand (and it seems to make intuitive sense), adapting apprel to a new pose is easiest at the time the apparel is first being designed (iirc we were told that Obelisk apparel art was drawn alongside other breeds' for years' worth of releases before the breed was actually released, and I wouldn't be surprised if the next modern breed is already fully drawn and getting the same treatment now).
Ancients wearing pants and armor? Almost certainly never. But they could be a lot more dynamic and appealing than they are now with, from what I can tell, a disproportionally small amount of effort. From this user's perspective, putting said effort in that direction would do a lot more for my enjoyment than a whole new ancient breed would - I think the new gem ancient is pretty much a done deal, but maybe after that?
(1) Art
(2) Coding
(3) Thematic
Let's strike (3) off the list right now. Gameplay and story segregation, yo. If it doesn't fit with your personal lore for your ancient dragon to have a steampunk robot pet or something, don't put one on it, but pretending that there's a sacred cohesive lore that covers all the existing aesthetics items on the site and that putting anything but a skin on an ancient would violate it is pretty ridiculous. (Similarly the 'no apparel is what makes ancients special' argument. Then don't put it on your dragons, done.)
~
(2) seems daunting but doable; there are a ton of situations already on the site where if [X] condition applies to a dragon, they cannot do [Y]. Perhaps most similarly, all moderns can have standard gene scrolls applied to them, ancients can only have their designated breed scrolls applied to them...except for remove gene scrolls, and those items are really just '[Primary/Secondary/Tertiary] Gene: Basic' scrolls when you think about it.
So universal/nonfitted apparel could function exactly like those remove gene scrolls - it could be compatible with all dragons, unlike its more specific counterparts.
The coding would be work, but it would only need to be done once.
~
That only leaves (1), and imo it's the only one that's particularly important. Ancients were intended as more limited to A) relieve crunch pressure on the artists while B) still allowing users to see new breeds more than every five years or so. Great goals, and they should always keep fulfilling that role.
But when there are so many items that would require no art effort beyond copy/pasting an existing layer (seriously, check out, say, autumn leaves on several different modern poses in succession. There are a limited number of arrangements that were simply re-used multiple times. Do the same for the ancients, pick one, make sure there isn't anything covering the dragon's eye or otherwise looking weird, done), but would add so much richness in customization possibilities, it seems frustrating for that to be a barrier.
Now, the argument here is usually the 'give a mouse a cookie' one. "If you let people have simple apparel on ancients, they'll clamor for more and more complex stuff! It'll never stop!"
...and? That seems like a feature, not a bug - as long as the clamoring is polite, which should apply to anything.
I don't feel like choosing which apparel to make universal should be a one-off deal.
First stage should be emperor's new clothes and marva's cloak - 0 art involvement there, and useful for all the reasons people put those things on modern dragons (yes, including the former, it's great if you want to protect a dragon from sale or exaltation but no design items or familiars fit with your personal lore for it) - and the simplest possible stuff like flowerfalls and auras.
Then things like floaty pets, emblems, mouth flowers, etc can be worked on slowly in the background. And it can mostly done by average humans as opposed to Capital-A-Artists (my own talents fall short of stick figures, Artists are superhuman and should be worshipped as such, but even someone like lame little me can take an existing image and move/rotate it around in a box). The existing coding can be used to convert those items to universal apparel when the images are ready.
Perhaps even simple semi-fitted things (like very small jewelry/crowns/earrings - probably nothing on wings/legs to preserve flexibility for future ancient designs, but I'm pretty sure no FR dragon will ever be designed without a head) can become universal with time - especially going forward, because from what I understand (and it seems to make intuitive sense), adapting apprel to a new pose is easiest at the time the apparel is first being designed (iirc we were told that Obelisk apparel art was drawn alongside other breeds' for years' worth of releases before the breed was actually released, and I wouldn't be surprised if the next modern breed is already fully drawn and getting the same treatment now).
Ancients wearing pants and armor? Almost certainly never. But they could be a lot more dynamic and appealing than they are now with, from what I can tell, a disproportionally small amount of effort. From this user's perspective, putting said effort in that direction would do a lot more for my enjoyment than a whole new ancient breed would - I think the new gem ancient is pretty much a done deal, but maybe after that?
Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
(Anonymous) 2023-07-16 08:29 am (UTC)(link)Ok
Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
(Anonymous) 2023-07-16 09:28 am (UTC)(link)Oh damn that's a lot of words
Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
(Anonymous) 2023-07-16 10:30 am (UTC)(link)See again: bored. Essays happen.
Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
(Anonymous) 2023-07-16 11:53 am (UTC)(link)Was curious why post it here, instead of suggestions forum. Then I remember how that forum is.
Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
(Anonymous) 2023-07-16 01:45 pm (UTC)(link)i mean it's an effortpost novel but at least it's nicely formatted
Yeah, it's definitely weird. I understand sending a sign-off like "I loved this dragon for a long time - I hope you enjoy him, too!" but trying to have rules & regulations about dragons that you sell is an overreach to say the least.
This is a transaction, not a custody deal. You can't keep him on weekends.
This is a transaction, not a custody deal. You can't keep him on weekends.
if they want a say in how you're raising the dragon they're gonna have to cough up some child support
It's not just you, anon.
They hunted down players who don't play anymore, hit them with sob stories about how they've always wanted a dragon like that (usually two letter or 5 digit), and then try to flip them a month later for 20x what they were bought for.
They hunted down players who don't play anymore, hit them with sob stories about how they've always wanted a dragon like that (usually two letter or 5 digit), and then try to flip them a month later for 20x what they were bought for.
Re: Because I'm bored and haven't stirred the 'Ancients should get non-fitted apparel' pot lately
(Anonymous) 2023-07-16 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)ya I completely agree. I have no interest in ancients currently because of lack of apparel so this would add a lot to the game for me.
why are people losing their minds over light doing a profit push this week
(Anonymous) 2023-07-16 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)profit pushes during festival weeks have happened multiple times. why is it suddenly a problem
Re: why are people losing their minds over light doing a profit push this week
(Anonymous) 2023-07-16 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)It's just a misunderstanding I think. Light took the first post on Dom Watch and their post has "Thundercrack Carnivale: Conquest" at the top; it's actually a link to Lightning's festival push info, but it looks like the title of their post.
That combined with the fact that they don't mention profit pushing in the body of their post got 1 person confused and thinking they were trying to steal festival dom from lightning.
Could all be cleared up with a couple edits on Light's post
That combined with the fact that they don't mention profit pushing in the body of their post got 1 person confused and thinking they were trying to steal festival dom from lightning.
Could all be cleared up with a couple edits on Light's post
Re: why are people losing their minds over light doing a profit push this week
(Anonymous) 2023-07-16 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)light took the first post despite not being pinged by dom watch and their wording at the top makes it look like theyre conquest pushing. just kind of a rude move for a fest push week
+1 to all the fuck After anons
I don't get people like After. I've watched them exalt dragons that people were offering them slightly less than what the dragon was listed on the AH, and they refuse to come down on the price. At this point I truly think they do it just to be malicious to random people.
I don't get people like After. I've watched them exalt dragons that people were offering them slightly less than what the dragon was listed on the AH, and they refuse to come down on the price. At this point I truly think they do it just to be malicious to random people.
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