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tbh I feel like the abundance of Avatar character names spelled with double letters is also enough of a giveaway lmao
I only recognize Toph and Zuko, who are the others?
$30 a month is a whale and not really that impressive for spending on a hobby, sorry
I understood gem genes to change not just colors but something texturally about the dragons appearance, like metallic/wasp. There are beautiful accents in these gen genes, but unlike harlequin their rendering is next-level. As in, the rendering visibly changes the form in addition to the cool accents. It seems new releases break from this pattern, which is why many users are disappointed. Of course we wll want staff to eat, and there is no gem vs. treasure standard of quality defined, afaik. Lots of users are annoyed about the price of gem genes, but in this case their dissatisfaction stems more from the tacit agreement to quality established by a previous pattern.
*shrugs* It's not my livelihood. But reducing the complaints to entitled whining misses the rest of the story, which hobbles marketing appeal, overall engagement with new material, and the willingness to actually buy gem genes if they're indistinct from the standard quality of treasure releases.
*shrugs* It's not my livelihood. But reducing the complaints to entitled whining misses the rest of the story, which hobbles marketing appeal, overall engagement with new material, and the willingness to actually buy gem genes if they're indistinct from the standard quality of treasure releases.
it be like that when everything and everyone is the same
Honestly, would rather not be impressive. I never want to turn to that person buying gems instead of food or housing.
who was trying to be impressive? lol
Like WarriorJames, using college money to pay for G1 imps, while also ignoring massive medical debts.
Seriously, I wasn't trying to. I honestly wanted some anon pov to see if I was overreacting.
any chance theyre related to the tumblr account bookerbluedragon? theyre annoying as fuck and unnecessarily escalate situations on tumblr saltblogs and posts in general, i blocked their blog a while back but didnt know their FR name
SA
just checked and yeah bookerthewarrior is bookerbluedragon; says so in their tumblr profile. idk if bookerthewarrior did anything else onsite but im personally gonna block them for their godawful attitudes on saltblogs
just checked and yeah bookerthewarrior is bookerbluedragon; says so in their tumblr profile. idk if bookerthewarrior did anything else onsite but im personally gonna block them for their godawful attitudes on saltblogs
Oh yeah, that guy. It always felt to me like he loves to come in swinging full force to fight people in really weird interpretations of what they actually said.
DA
Kitarra is, I assume, an intentional misspelling of Katara but other than that yeah, only seeing Toph and Zuko
Kitarra is, I assume, an intentional misspelling of Katara but other than that yeah, only seeing Toph and Zuko
TomRom could be a riff on Tom-Tom (a very minor avatar character)
What do people think of the issue of censoring genes on Discord? People on SMR are only really able to bleat about ableism so I'm hoping for a more nuanced discussion here... These are the relevant points in the discussion from what I understand (I DON'T necessarily agree or disagree with any of these FYI, I'm just writing them down):
1. Some people with memory issues have a tough time remembering what to spoiler. For people on mobile or with poor eyesight or various other issues, even constantly consulting a list can be taxing and some just don't bother posting dragon images.
2. Are most people who want spoilering actually triggered by images, or do they just think it's icky and they don't want to see it? Alternately, are people with "memory issues" actually burdened by spoiler lists, or could some of them put in more effort? Where is the line between being actually triggered and just experiencing discomfort?
3. How are people who require spoilering able to play FR at all? Does it make sense to require spoilering of game content in a Discord for the game?
4. Are there potential solutions beyond "just join a different Discord?" Most Discords, including all the major flight Discords, IIRC, seem to require some degree of spoilering, so "just join a different Discord" isn't really a solution and would just end up shutting people out of
5. When it comes to memory issues versus needing things spoilered, why is the latter regarded as taking precedence? Why is it the "winning" disability when it comes to deciding who to accomodate? (Bad phrasing, sorry, hopefully you get what I mean.)
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My personal theory on point 5 is that trigger tagging carries more moral weight because it's under the same umbrella of tagging for very serious things, like mental health/sexual violence/etc. content warnings. So it carries some maybe unearned moral weight because it is associated with that, and the norm in online communities such as these is to spoiler/tag/TW other things already so people assume that adding to the list of things needing tagging is normal and appropriate.
I'd be interested to hear everyone else's thoughts!
1. Some people with memory issues have a tough time remembering what to spoiler. For people on mobile or with poor eyesight or various other issues, even constantly consulting a list can be taxing and some just don't bother posting dragon images.
2. Are most people who want spoilering actually triggered by images, or do they just think it's icky and they don't want to see it? Alternately, are people with "memory issues" actually burdened by spoiler lists, or could some of them put in more effort? Where is the line between being actually triggered and just experiencing discomfort?
3. How are people who require spoilering able to play FR at all? Does it make sense to require spoilering of game content in a Discord for the game?
4. Are there potential solutions beyond "just join a different Discord?" Most Discords, including all the major flight Discords, IIRC, seem to require some degree of spoilering, so "just join a different Discord" isn't really a solution and would just end up shutting people out of
5. When it comes to memory issues versus needing things spoilered, why is the latter regarded as taking precedence? Why is it the "winning" disability when it comes to deciding who to accomodate? (Bad phrasing, sorry, hopefully you get what I mean.)
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My personal theory on point 5 is that trigger tagging carries more moral weight because it's under the same umbrella of tagging for very serious things, like mental health/sexual violence/etc. content warnings. So it carries some maybe unearned moral weight because it is associated with that, and the norm in online communities such as these is to spoiler/tag/TW other things already so people assume that adding to the list of things needing tagging is normal and appropriate.
I'd be interested to hear everyone else's thoughts!
I mean, most of the time when I see that I see entitled kids throwing their weight around trying to see just how much of the community they can bend to their will to feel important. Kids on the internet are also known to lie about 'sensitivities' to get sympathy/perks/etc, and if it seems too ridiculous to be true in terms of a spoiler, it probably is.
As someone with sensory processing disorder, my sympathy goes out to people with actual visual sensitivities, and I understand content that is generally triggering to things like epilepsy deserves spoilers (so the flashing, strobing variety), but I just don't see that happening in FR genes too often. Maybe jaguar/rosette at most, but I'm not sure if that kind of content genuinely requires a spoiler.
And for the people who are afraid of gene art (not talking about accents) because they are too 'adult' or 'triggering' in ways other than a sensory issue (literally heard of people demanding spoilers for the ghost gene)....you are on a 13+ dragon site. This is not a game for young children (and I'm pretty sure the G-rated real world is going to have some skeletons, especially during Halloween).
As someone with sensory processing disorder, my sympathy goes out to people with actual visual sensitivities, and I understand content that is generally triggering to things like epilepsy deserves spoilers (so the flashing, strobing variety), but I just don't see that happening in FR genes too often. Maybe jaguar/rosette at most, but I'm not sure if that kind of content genuinely requires a spoiler.
And for the people who are afraid of gene art (not talking about accents) because they are too 'adult' or 'triggering' in ways other than a sensory issue (literally heard of people demanding spoilers for the ghost gene)....you are on a 13+ dragon site. This is not a game for young children (and I'm pretty sure the G-rated real world is going to have some skeletons, especially during Halloween).
I don't know what the answer "should" be to all of these, but I do know it grates on my nerves when people are all like "it costs nothing to tag!" or "just check the list!" or "it's so easy, if you won't do it you're just a bad person"
Just because something is easy for you doesn't mean it's easy for everyone.
And it is very very disheartening to consistently be the person who "looses" in a case of competing needs :/
Just because something is easy for you doesn't mean it's easy for everyone.
And it is very very disheartening to consistently be the person who "looses" in a case of competing needs :/
(frozen comment) Re: Censoring genes/eye types on Discord
(Anonymous) 2023-04-17 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)I'm sorry, but speaking as someone with actual doctor diagnosed memory issues as a part of a childhood disability case(My short term memory randomly dumps things before they become long term memory, so sometimes, I can't remember something I looked at 30 seconds ago), most Discords like that have a list. I use it.
Ignoring eye sight issues, which I've almost never seen cited, if you are not able to remember and unwilling to check a list with clearly stated rules? That's just being lazy. If you can't be assed to check, don't post dragon images.
One player's shit memory and unwillingness to take the time to check doesn't trump other users being able to be comfortable. We can take the time to check a list.
By the "I don't want to check what's acceptable" logic, someone could use that to say I can't remember what people consider serious outside dragon game stuff and freely post those serious things you mentioned because they aren't impacted by them personally. I have seen users say that before.
As for the join another Discord option, I'm in a smaller scale invite only FR community that has no spoiler requirements. If enough people hate spoilering, make your own server. Mind, I question how good the community of a "fuck your image sensitivities and phonias, I want to post what I want" would end up.
As for how can a user easily triggered play? You can always block images, manually allowing safe ones. It's easy enough to check a gene list on site before viewing a dragon picture if you block by default.
Ignoring eye sight issues, which I've almost never seen cited, if you are not able to remember and unwilling to check a list with clearly stated rules? That's just being lazy. If you can't be assed to check, don't post dragon images.
One player's shit memory and unwillingness to take the time to check doesn't trump other users being able to be comfortable. We can take the time to check a list.
By the "I don't want to check what's acceptable" logic, someone could use that to say I can't remember what people consider serious outside dragon game stuff and freely post those serious things you mentioned because they aren't impacted by them personally. I have seen users say that before.
As for the join another Discord option, I'm in a smaller scale invite only FR community that has no spoiler requirements. If enough people hate spoilering, make your own server. Mind, I question how good the community of a "fuck your image sensitivities and phonias, I want to post what I want" would end up.
As for how can a user easily triggered play? You can always block images, manually allowing safe ones. It's easy enough to check a gene list on site before viewing a dragon picture if you block by default.
Maybe I don't hang around the tumblr crowd enough so this might be a hot take but we're all internet strangers here, can't expect everyone to cater to each and every one. If someone needs a dragon gene censored in a Discord centered around game with said dragon gene then maybe they should reevaluate their choice of game. In the same vein, if someone has problems following certain rules that the community set for themselves due to memory issues then maybe think about not participating in the said server.
This is literally just a dragon game man, it ain't that deep. Nobody is forced to continue playing a game or participate in a Discord server that causes them issues.
This is literally just a dragon game man, it ain't that deep. Nobody is forced to continue playing a game or participate in a Discord server that causes them issues.
Seriously, the replies over there basically a bunch of Tumblr edgelords screaming how dare you make and expect me to follow clearly written rules?
There are way to limit exposure to things that make you uncomfortable on site. These rules are set by communities to allow everyone to be able to interact on Discords.
I will never understand why people think following rules is such a big deal. It's just like the multiaccounting shitfest. "What do you mean I'm expected to follow rules I agreed to follow?"
There are way to limit exposure to things that make you uncomfortable on site. These rules are set by communities to allow everyone to be able to interact on Discords.
I will never understand why people think following rules is such a big deal. It's just like the multiaccounting shitfest. "What do you mean I'm expected to follow rules I agreed to follow?"
Ime as an occasional mod, the practicality of this really comes down to the size and nature of a discord. In a discord with 10 or 15 members max, keeping an updated list of requested spoilers that include everybody's triggers, (whether or not the members interpret trigger to mean full blown trauma/phobias or just something that's a big ick factor) is pretty doable and makes sense from the perspective that you know these are the people you'll be having conversations with. For example, there's someone in a small discord that requested all discussion and pictures of X animal be spoilered because they have a full blown phobia of X animal. That person is likely to be part of the conversation if you're talking in the small server, so it makes sense to accommodate this type of specific request in this setting. People can still abuse this type of list to try and control discussion though, which I've seen happen at least once in a server with well meaning mods that didn't understand that their huge, mushrooming spoiler list was the result of one bad actor attempting to bully and dominate other members.
In a server with 500 or 1000 people, compiling a list of specific personal triggers from members is impractical, and usually you get a compromise where mods will include a short, general list of common triggers, plus a few relevant to the topic of the discord. I've seen servers that try to accommodate everyone's personal trigger by using a big pinned list, and while this might actually work for groups of middling sizes where the majority of people happen to be used to constantly checking a list before posting, it quickly becomes unwieldy and a source of chaos and constant drama in servers that rapidly gain new members.
When it comes to requesting that specific genes be spoilered... I don't doubt that this request might well be coming from someone that doesn't really have a phobia or trauma around the gene, and just doesn't want to put up with the mild discomfort of seeing it, but it's going to be awkward and difficult as a mod to make that call on a case by case basis. Sometimes people honestly just have niche phobias. Deciding what does and doesn't get put on the list of requested censored topics is always going to be compromise, and imo should have more to do with the balance of functional practicality within the size of the server rather than scrutinizing the individual request to deem if a topic is a "valid" trigger or not. (Though in some specific cases it might be worth scrutinizing.)
In a server with 500 or 1000 people, compiling a list of specific personal triggers from members is impractical, and usually you get a compromise where mods will include a short, general list of common triggers, plus a few relevant to the topic of the discord. I've seen servers that try to accommodate everyone's personal trigger by using a big pinned list, and while this might actually work for groups of middling sizes where the majority of people happen to be used to constantly checking a list before posting, it quickly becomes unwieldy and a source of chaos and constant drama in servers that rapidly gain new members.
When it comes to requesting that specific genes be spoilered... I don't doubt that this request might well be coming from someone that doesn't really have a phobia or trauma around the gene, and just doesn't want to put up with the mild discomfort of seeing it, but it's going to be awkward and difficult as a mod to make that call on a case by case basis. Sometimes people honestly just have niche phobias. Deciding what does and doesn't get put on the list of requested censored topics is always going to be compromise, and imo should have more to do with the balance of functional practicality within the size of the server rather than scrutinizing the individual request to deem if a topic is a "valid" trigger or not. (Though in some specific cases it might be worth scrutinizing.)
Yeah this. In a smaller group, among friends, it can be manageable.
But I've joined large a Discord before that had a very detailed trigger list - literal pages of scrolling, even on desktop. I basically took one look at that and was immediately overwhelmed. I don't think I ever posted anything in that Discord. The thought of having to cross-check everything against that list was too daunting.
I think it comes from a good place. People want to be accommodating. But there's a certain threshold where, in trying to accommodate everyone's triggers, they may not realize they're excluding other people with different sorts of needs.
And it's hurtful to be told that your needs aren't real needs, that you're just lazy and selfish and a bad person, and if you really cared you'd just try harder.
But I've joined large a Discord before that had a very detailed trigger list - literal pages of scrolling, even on desktop. I basically took one look at that and was immediately overwhelmed. I don't think I ever posted anything in that Discord. The thought of having to cross-check everything against that list was too daunting.
I think it comes from a good place. People want to be accommodating. But there's a certain threshold where, in trying to accommodate everyone's triggers, they may not realize they're excluding other people with different sorts of needs.
And it's hurtful to be told that your needs aren't real needs, that you're just lazy and selfish and a bad person, and if you really cared you'd just try harder.
Many discords also require spoiler tags for specific eye types. I'm not sure if this adds to the conversation or not since you specifically mentioned genes. But Shadow primal eyes are actually a trigger for me. It's more than being viscerally uncomfortable. I have ocd and issues with some eye horror. Sometimes shadow primal will just continually loop in my head if I see it in the wild. I have had panic attacks. I'm not going to tell other people how to play or avoid the site, but I do appreciate when discords spoiler it. (I find that I don't run into it very often on site unless I'm just perusing a shadow lair.)
There aren't any genes that bother me in particular, but I also don't mind taking the time to add spoiler tags to images if I know that they might make other people uncomfortable. I figure that if specific eye types bother me, then it's not unreasonable to assume that some gene types do actually trigger some people. I do believe that everyone needs to kind of curate their own online experience, but I also don't think taking a few seconds out of your day to make other people comfortable, even if you don't really get it, is that much to ask.
All we can do is attempt to accommodate people in a reasonable way. It feels like having the list readily available is an accommodation in itself. Devices, mobile phones, and discord have font settings that increase the size for people with vision issues. (I have both memory issues and problems with reading small text.) It's not perfect by any means, but I don't feel like any specific disability is "winning".
There aren't any genes that bother me in particular, but I also don't mind taking the time to add spoiler tags to images if I know that they might make other people uncomfortable. I figure that if specific eye types bother me, then it's not unreasonable to assume that some gene types do actually trigger some people. I do believe that everyone needs to kind of curate their own online experience, but I also don't think taking a few seconds out of your day to make other people comfortable, even if you don't really get it, is that much to ask.
All we can do is attempt to accommodate people in a reasonable way. It feels like having the list readily available is an accommodation in itself. Devices, mobile phones, and discord have font settings that increase the size for people with vision issues. (I have both memory issues and problems with reading small text.) It's not perfect by any means, but I don't feel like any specific disability is "winning".
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