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I also was reading the archived version of the first page, and was thinking 'why did you choose THESE skins?'

The first one, yeah, I know they are meant to be shorts ,but still look more like underwear to me, and the Title of it? Sounds like a porn site...

Second one? I mean, I personally wouldn't really want people making 'icon skins' either, but that is one of the best examples I saw in the thread.

Third one, the two passed ones, the first one you barely see that the sticks are sticking out of the mouth, and are lit, the second one looks more like grass than anything else. But the rejected one definitely looks more like Cigars than either of the other two

The one with the sakura branches and arrows? I mean come on, we have been hearing about 'blood and suffering get rejected' for how long? why are people STILL putting arrows sticking from dragons? If it has the slightest bit of looking like blood might be coming from it, you know it will get rejected.

The one with the moon and face? Yeah, massive blood and gore is over kill, but why would you put a wound on the dragon. It has a wolf head and clouds and moon. What does the wound have to do with it (I know, but again, with all the issues about blood and suffering, again, why add it in?)

The next one (with the slices of flesh)? Yeah, it is slices of flesh that look like they come from the dragon. I don't care what the color is. And having others that have gotten through doesnt mean that those weren't a mistake, and that allowing further ones is the 'correct thing to do'

The next two, yeah, those are a bit of a stretch, but reiterating that people have known these things will happen when you do stuff like that. So, why are they still pushing it and then getting upset about it getting denied when they know it will get denied?

Basically, I agree that it would be immensely helpful to have as clear cut rules as possible for the skins and accents.

But, at this point, I don't think even if the staff create a 200 page booklet of every single example of going too far with explicit examples, and images and every thing some of these people ask for, some of these people would be happy.

They would still create these skins that are explicitly against the rules then get upset when they get denied and point out all the other skins that look somewhat like theirs that have gotten through.

I also don't think it is possible for staff to give a much firmer guideline, without boxing themselves in too much or having to go the 200 page booklet route, to make sure they cover every single example of what is allowed and what isn't. Or there will still be the same issues people have now 'this skin was denied, but tHAT skin was allowed! why was mine denied!!!??? It is sooo arbitrary!'

(also, I know this isn't all the skin/accent makers, but the very vocal minority. I just feel that it would have been much better if the examples used were better ones, since I can easily see why most of those skins WERE denied, just from the rules and guidelines we have gotten from the staff already)

>But, at this point, I don't think even if the staff create a 200 page booklet of every single example of going too far with explicit examples, and images and every thing some of these people ask for, some of these people would be happy.

This, I just think some people are never going to be happy

"I also don't think it is possible for staff to give a much firmer guideline, without boxing themselves in too much or having to go the 200 page booklet route, to make sure they cover every single example of what is allowed and what isn't."

Agreed that this is kind of the crux of it. I don't think that more clarity would inherently be a bad thing, but no matter what the rules are, there will always be people trying to juuuust sneak by them for the sake of being edgy - not even saying that that was what all these examples were, but human nature being what it is, that's a phenomenon someone in a role like the skin approval mods will always have to be on the lookout for.

And if you want the mods to check submissions against every previously-approved skin in the (recent years) history of the site to make sure their decisions are always 100% consistent like we're citing Supreme Court cases here...and you think the approval delay is bad now?

(And 'hot demon girl'? Really? Come on. That was just asking for the accent to really go under the magnifying glass.)

sa

Thanks to everyone who did all the archiving, by the way. It's a shame that (at least in my browser) the imgur embeds don't seem to carry over, you have to inspect-element for the image URL and then manually navigate to the non-archive portion of it (in case anyone else is having trouble). And yeah, as mentioned in those discord screenshots, it would be convenient if, in cases like this, staff simply locked offending threads instead of nuking them, but at the end of the day it's their site, their call. (But thanks always ARR mods for going the other route!)

Yeah I mean the person who made that thread? Has had a repeated habit of breaking the one most clearly defined skin/accent rule there is: "no coloring outside the lines."

Draw a clear line, and people just love trying to stick their toes over to see if they can get away with it.

ayrt
This.

Like, the wolf/moon accent, it took me a minute of looking to figure out what the problem was with it, and no, that tiny little scratch on the shoulder is not going to traumatize any kids, and no reasonable person could think it would.

But it's reasonable for the mods/staff/whoever to not want to open the 'exactly how many pixels of blood/wounds is too much' can of worms. Just leave the stupid scratch off, if someone wants to supplement the accent with the existing shoulder scars apparel item, they're free to do so.

FR's skin page says this:
"Scars, light wounds, and blood splatter are generally okay."

That's a minor scratch, and I can easily see someone thinking that it would fall under 'light wounds'. It certainly fits that better than "We do not allow skin designs that depict creatures that appear to be suffering from massive wounds and/or designs that contain excessive gore"

The arrow one was told it would be fine if they removed the (pink) blood around the arrow. So... the arrow being embedded in the dragon was fine, but a small amount of blood wasn't.

SA, forgot to add this:

If they updated the rules to say 'no blood that appears to be coming from the dragon' that would have covered off a lot.

I sympathise with the posters in that thread. They're not asking for rule changes, they're asking for stuff that gets regularly denied to be listed so that people who aren't familiar with the skin drama and staff's unwritten preferences can get through first time.

Potentially de-anoning myself with this, but I recently submitted an accent with incense in. I had literally no idea there could be an issue with that until I read through that thread.

ayrt

Huh, I didn't realize that. (Like another commenter upthread, I never have made accents or ever will, so of course anyone who thinks I should accordingly not be speaking on this topic can ignore all this!) Thank you for the info. In their shoes I'd not have written it that way just for the aforementioned can o' worms reason, but if that is the wording, I can understand why the artist did what they did.

Agreed. I think people also forget that the skin checkers are... people. Sometimes things slip through the cracks, especially cosplay skins. Plenty of accent makers try to take advantage of this by sneaking in forbidden stuff.

Not even just accent makers though, you see this all over the site with people making stealth cum, weed, and racist/political dragons.

The thing is, there's only TWO of them.

One of the biggest issues is what Brightmyth said in the first post:

It takes about 8 days after a skin is submitted for it to be looked at by the two skin mods.

If they determine that the skin may need further review by an admin, it goes into another, second queue.

This adds up to a week of time before it is either denied or accepted by the admin

I had a skin denied because it had some guts- but one loop of intestine was BROWN, and that was too close to flesh color, even though the rest of them were various shades of brown and green to look dead. So I changed it all to green, and now I have to wait another week- and then ANOTHER week for the second run.

Which puts me at almost a MONTH to get TWO RUNS of a single accent printed.

They need more people and a better system with a more concise rule list, because every time I submit an accent, there is yet ANOTHER tiny nitpick that I didn't see/know of. It's ridiculously frustrating.

Honestly, the best thing they can do right now is put up applications for skin/accent moderator volunteers.

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