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mindlessflight ([personal profile] mindlessflight) wrote in [community profile] anonrerising2021-10-15 09:06 am

BINGO

Since this post will be current until January, thought I'd be salty/have fun with it. Let's see if we get Bingo, shall we?


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(Anonymous) 2022-01-30 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed, with these prize limits, no one is going to merc hard for the prizes.

No one is going to swoop into steal the battle, unless they make a poor enough showing that the Earth and Water profit exalters don't bother and just exalt to their own diety and take it by accident.

And if they screw up enough to allow that? This doesn't deserve to be called a battle.

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-30 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)
or maybe they are playing the long con to make the dom battle paradigm as we know it now (with the fortunes spent and months of preparation and careful scheduling) collapse entirely?

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
It's not going to work. My bet is that it's just going to push the burden of the costs of dom onto the individual players instead of the flight again, which is shittier.

This battle honestly looks more like one of those prearranged multiple flight pushes than a real battle.

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 05:23 am (UTC)(link)
Or maybe they would like to actually have a battle instead of a pissing contest to see which flight can buy dominance for the week. I wouldn't call that a con. Other flights have had similar battle terms in the past where mercing wasn't allowed or there were caps on prizes or payouts. None of this is new, it's just that dom battles are so few and far between now that no one remembers. Not every flight has a bunch of kickstarter shit just sitting around in their dom banks so that three people can go nuts sending low level dragons to try and get them.

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 06:22 am (UTC)(link)
Dude, that is the whole point of a battle. It's a pissing contest of who has the most money and resources to buy Dom that week. If you think it's anything else, you are kidding yourself.

Time and player energy are resources to throw at it as much as treasure is.

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 06:36 am (UTC)(link)
100%. if there's no mercs then rich players buy mercs—the only difference is that it's not an official strategy paid for by the bank. caps on prizes don't necessarily ensure the raffles are equal (eg: ice had a significantly better raffle than shadow). you might as well be open about the fact that it's going to be expensive and you are trying to use your given resources in the best possible way to win. even with mercs a lot of strategy is involved. it's a bummer that battles are so expensive and draining, but that's more a function of increasing hibden spaces than anything.

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 06:47 am (UTC)(link)
Dude, that is not the whole point of a battle. A flight does not have an obligation to line the pockets of OOF members. Yes, it is smart and necessary to entice OOF members to participate. But there is no rule saying that OOF people are owed insane payouts or kickstarter raffle items. Plenty of people will send dragons for any amount above a normal payout. And plenty of people will enter raffles where they are getting a chance at a prize while making a profit.

I find it interesting that everyone is judging the OOF raffles before they've even seen them. Just because they don't plan on having Light Sprites, doesn't mean that the raffles won't be worthwhile. Last time I checked 25kg wasn't pocket change. There's really nothing to lose if you are leveling fodder anyway. You'll still be making a higher than usual profit and will have a chance to win prizes during a week that wouldn't usually have them. Why all the bitching?

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 07:11 am (UTC)(link)
the point of battles is to win by any means necessary, including spending money, not to make a profit for everyone else. if people are going to buy mercs anyway they might as well be bought as part of an overall strategy using communal funds.

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
Flights are already hemorrhaging money to pay for raffles and public buys. Why should they be forced to also pay for mercs just because people want more profit on top of the profit they would get by selling to a public buy? I'm saying this as someone who frequently profits off of mercing. If someone wants to pay more for dragons, let them. But flights shouldn't be required to budget them in if they don't want to. It takes resources and volunteers away from other flight efforts. You can't blame any flight for not wanting to spend that kind of money for dragons they can get cheaper through other channels.

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 08:19 am (UTC)(link)
My issue is this isn't going to eliminate mercs, it's just tossing the cost to individuals in a flight when things get desperate. It's an illusion of battles being cheaper, because an individual buying mercs doesn't get added to total spending.

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 08:29 am (UTC)(link)
No one is trying to eliminate mercs though? They just don't want to spend communal flight funds on them. If individuals decide they want to spend their money on merc dragons, that's their choice? People have always chosen to spend their own money during battles. It's not an illusion of being cheaper, it actually is cheaper for the flight as a whole. Personal spending is never included in the total spending. Are flights supposed to start trying to calculate what individuals are spending from their personal funds on fodder as well?

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 02:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not saying they should do it BECAUSE other people want to profit, I'm saying they should do it bc their rich players will do it anyway so they might as well use it as part of their strategy. Other people profiting from battles is just a side effect of like, participating in an economy lol

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 08:07 am (UTC)(link)
If you spend money, someone else is profiting. Otherwise, no one would bother. It's not the point. It's just a direct effect

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 04:24 pm (UTC)(link)
OP here -- I was not judging the Raffles on the prize price cap necessarily, I was judging them by the poorly chosen previews on Nature's part.

When I checked (I did not take a screenshot, sorry for that) Nature's preview had: a Nature egg, a Loga, a Sprouting Gemini, a Growing Jeweler, while Plague's preview had a Fire Sprite, Boneyard Tatters, a gorgeous WC skin by Phenri, and an Arcane Sprite.

Nature has since moved their preview to the Fodder Farm Raffle ("Inspired by Shadow's Fodder Farm, Nature has opened our own") and updated their Raffle preview to a Plague Spire, an Akirbeak (current LAH 27.5kg, so technically in violation of the max 25kg rule?), Leafy Gladeboughs, and a Nature Sprite. When clicking through to the Boarding thread, they also have some Boneyard chimes in there.

https://i.imgur.com/so2oKDm.png

What actually surprises me more (yeah, this OOF Boarding setup just keeps on giving me pause) is that their offer for unfilled slots is a flat 2 tickets per slot offered (5 tickets per day per dragon). The last time I boarded (though I do not remember which flight), you got tickets regardless of whether your slots were filled or not, just to avoid you offering those slots to the other flight if that flight didn't fill it fast enough.

Idk. I'm feeling a lot like an old woman shaking my cane at the sky, and maybe I am. I liked the way things were done in the past, and NvP just making it all worse and putting it like they're re-inventing the wheel just feels meh. Like their reinvented wheel is square in shape and they're all proud and try to convince you it's secretly way better because it's easier to clean. Yeah, no, I liked my wheels round, tyvm.

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
... Yea, that is definitely breaking the rules there. Even if they got it for less than 25k, the value exceeds that limit.

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 06:57 am (UTC)(link)
DA
Didn't Nature and Plague (it was Plague vs something for sure) already have an 'internal battle' several years ago? I'm pretty sure that then the fodder floor was back at the usual price by Wednesday and there were no flips at all.

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 07:10 am (UTC)(link)
several years ago? post-hibden battles are very different fwiw

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 02:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Or maybe people who hate the dom paradigm will just take any opportunity to fantasize about how they wish it would go away. Lmao I'm sorry it sucks for you but one battle is hardly going to change anything

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-30 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
i would be shocked if that happened lol i'm sure most of the profit exalters will take advantage of the high battle pb/raffle prices just like everyone else

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
As long as they actually hit those points. Just because they have caps doesn't mean they'll reach them, if they're focused on saving money.

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 06:32 am (UTC)(link)
yeah but it's still likely to be more money than you get for exalting, so why not send them in anyway

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 06:45 am (UTC)(link)
Because waiting on raffle/buy attendants costs me time. That's why I rarely bother unless there's a massive difference. If I can level and yeet multiple fodder in the time it takes to go find an attendant list, find an attendant, and wait for them to pick up...

Haven't sent to a raffle in ages, and no regrets. Raffles double the time to cycle through fodder for me

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 07:09 am (UTC)(link)
I just pick people who I know are dom orgs/experienced attendants/heavy exalters and I've not really had issues. They get picked up in like 5 minutes or less usually.

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(Anonymous) 2022-01-31 06:10 am (UTC)(link)
With 25kg prize limit we take out Akirbeaks (but there is still one in Nature's raffle preview? So I suppose there is some agreement there), Light Sprites, Sunchasers, and KS items. Am I forgetting anything?

This is not very restricting compared to what we've seen recently, I don't think Earth had any of that in their WvE raffle.

The price cap is definitely more restricting than the prize limits, but let's be real, lots of us are filling up our hibdens with dragons we bought at 5-6kt anyway so it's not like we're losing money when we only make a 10kt profit off each instead of 13kt. Boo hoo LOL