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Very true. I just don't think it's a risk comparable to uploading a pic of my ID online.

And that's your decision as an adult I'm just very curious how many people who're name calling and getting concerned about a discord server asking for 90% censored IDs and a selfie are also aware of the fact that this site logs IPs.

Most if not all the regulars around here, I would wager. The mods bring it up every once in a while.

SA

Not to mention the text explaining this at the bottom of every post you type up.

Yeah, tbh that's why I bbirthrate. Because I remembered someone bitching about this site not being truly anon. I guess I've just had more experience or close calls with IP address doxxing than sharing my birthdate so I'd be more concerned about that than this.

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BIRTHRATE??? **Brought this up. omfg autocorrect WHAT IS THAT.

Definitely a YMMV thing.

But there's been no response to anons asking that if it's only the birth date that they need, why use a censored ID at all? Just ask for people's birth dates, because you're doing absolutely nothing to check if they're using a real, verified ID, which is what IDs are for.

I'm far more concerned that this has been very poorly thought out, with zero consideration beyond solving an immediate fear.

It's probably just a deterrent to minors, if someone's so dead set on it that they'd fake or steal an ID to get in then they'd do anything so nothing will be fool proof. It's easier to make up a date and type it in than to go through the EFFORT to fake or steal an ID.

But it adds risk that I don't see as justified by that deterrent factor. There are identifying details on ID that are not names, photos and addresses, even aside from the metadata issue Netsec Anon pointed out.

There’s not even that much effort needed - you can Google your country/state ID, get pictures of IDs, and block out everything but the DOB. If all they’re really looking at is the DOB, then I doubt these discord mods are checking every ID they get to see if it’s just a edited one found online. The only real bit of effort is making sure you find one with a feasible birth year, and thats a minimal level of effort. To say nothing of the fact things can be photoshopped.

If a method is that easily circumvented while still carrying a not insignificant level of risk for those that do submit their actual IDs, is it actually worth it to implement over less invasive options?

I'm mildly concerned about IP logging, but much less so when it's not linked to any cohesive identity. I don't have an email address I've signed up with or a username and password combo I might use on another site that can be linked together with my IP here.

I'm not saying no one can conclude anything about my identity from my IP, they can and obviously the mods here do by checking IPs to deal with trolling and people replying to themselves.

The ID cards are different to me. This may just be my point of view, but I've worked in various places where you get ID copies from people, and it's treated as a big deal. Their confidentiality matters. It's still not clear to me that this is going to be respected, and no one's shown any signs of it being taken seriously beyond a later clarification that they'll be blacked out, which is not foolproof and really prone to user error (see: so many posts with screenshots here or on SMR where some names are missed).

I mean, my response would be to never join any server where I'm asked to share ID, and that's no loss to me. I'd rather talk to people I actually know and somewhat trust about dragon pussy. But you're also not going to hear from anyone who doesn't use this site because of the IP logging, are you?

I've had jobs take photocopies of my ID and by jobs I mean, like, people I'm pet sitting for, not big companies. I mean, these people are giving me a key to their house, it makes sense. This server is giving people access to an adult space with things minors shouldn't be exposed to. Idk, maybe we just have different perspectives but it makes sense to me.

You're not getting a key to anyone's house here. Hotels also take ID photocopies in the US, for similar reasons, but they keep them in a safe. Chances are you're trusting someone you're working for to also keep the ID secure. Admittedly I wouldn't be comfortable with that either, but that is a matter of personal preferences.

I don't believe it's reasonable to place the same trust in someone on the internet on a less than secure platform, and especially not for them to have a Discord channel where they accept IDs. There are so many more ways for a huge range of people to access information on the internet than there are to see a specific photocopy in real life.

There isn't a channel for the IDs though, you have to DM a mod and then immediately delete the photo once it's done. Where's this whole channel for IDs rumor coming from?

That's worse, though.

this is not better

Deleting a photo from any service or the internet does not get rid of it. Uploading anything anywhere will leave traces. If it goes on the internet, it is never gone; there will always be a trail of breadcrumbs leading right back to you, and you can never do anything about it unless the servers are factory formatted or physically destroyed. Since Discord also uses Amazon Web Services (which gets fucked over every week, nowadays), you'd have to wipe AWS, too, and you can bet your sweet ass Bezos and his bozos aren't gonna do that for you, for Discord, or even God itself.

Also, if one of those mods gets their account taken over whether by a mistake of their own or Discord's, and someone sends them their ID? That mod you wrongfully trusted with your ID isn't that mod anymore; it's some rando on the internet who could completely use it for whatever fun purposes, like *scraping for metadata which often contains geolocation information!* If good ol' John McAfee got caught in Guatemala because of a photograph's metadata, you're not fucking immune.

I keep saying it; their heart is in the right place because kids should not be accessing these things, but they do not have the security or the money to be asking anyone for their IDs.

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