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... am I the only one that doesn't see the point in all the idiots complaining about exceptionally generic accent concepts being copied in the saltmine? There's one it seems obvious a tiny bit is a near copy, but mostly they're generic concepts I've seen before.

Why has it taken over?

Note, was assuming Hemophobia was the H from ice in question, as it's the only h from ice I know of that does accents. If it's someone else, correct me, please

I think it's because Hemophobia has been doing this for a while. They ask if something is a custom and/or complain about it being unobtainable, and then turn around and take the elements from the skin they want and use it for their own, even showing it in the same servers as the artists they're taking those elements from. It's kind of generic, sure, but I think that even if 90% of examples are just generic concepts and 10% is something to raise your eyebrows about, there would still be an issue, because the 10% shouldn't exist at all.

I appreciate you thinking the artists (at the very least, one) uncomfortable with what Hemophobia to their concepts are being idiots, though...

You didn't link any examples, so for transparency:

https://imgur.com/a/uo4YYD0 (this is the most obvious one imo due to the horns and how Hemophobia didn't even wait like a week to do the exact same thing. Before the artist even got a chance to PRINT the accents and sell them.)
https://imgur.com/a/2YHUBdS (the earrings, in particular)
https://saltminerising.tumblr.com/post/666235839575130112/re (worst example imo, as in it's hard to tell what was allegedly copied, but I guess I can see it with the mushrooms)

SA - I'd also like to point out maybe it's not obvious as to what in particular people find wrong with what Hemophobia is doing. It's NOT that they're using these concepts in a general sense, because yeah, someone could come up with that on their own completely separate from someone else's work. But that's not what's happening here, and it's pretty blatant. Hemophobia has shown to talk about these works and then one blink later they're using the concepts from the works they're talking about, on the same breed, in a very similar way. That's a little different from using "generic concepts", because they're plucking it directly from other artists and it's so obvious and uncomfortable to watch.

maybe it's taken over because people like you feel like calling people idiots for being uncomfortable over their art being copied, so they feel the need to defend themselves and explain the details beyond the direct art comparison because no one seems to want to read

it would be one thing if these accents existed completely independently of each other. but they don't. hemophobia is making it really obvious through their comments and questions that they're intentionally making rip offs of accents they can't afford or aren't available because they're customs.

it really do feel like people would care more if hemophobia was better at art and could better replicate the art they're copying. like if their art was on the level of spassow really feel like y'all would care more. but you don't because you just look at the art and go NAAAHHH not close enough get over yourselves

Lol at grown adults actually pulling a ORIGINAL CONCEPTS DO NOT STEAL!!!1!!!!1!1 Like is the way Hemophobia interacts with other artists irritating? Yes. Boot them out of the server if it bugs so many people. But this way of dealing with interpersonal drama by crying to salt communities over having to share the common themes of plants/horns is pathetic. I could pull up 50 accents with horns that all look roughly the same, but I don't think any of those artists stole from each other. We live in a society, we're going to influence and inspire each other. Whether that's a good or bad thing depends on your outlook.

Be happy more of what you love is in the world or die mad I guess.

I will apologize for the use of idiots, but if they'd actually explained it clearly like you did here the first time, I would actually have understood and never used that wording. Thank you.

Instead it comes off as dogpiling and honestly sounds like a single person posting tons to look like a group.

The thing is, I see idea sharing happening in AAA all the time: more people are trying non-dragon anatomy modification similarly to b from earth and g from lightning, more people were doing 'dragon sliced up' accents after a discussion about it a while ago, etc. But each of them actually added something new to the base concept - different animals, poses, themes, palettes, etc.

That's what I'd call being inspired by other people. What H is doing is not. (Now is the whole thing overblown? Yes. AAA isn't very ban-happy though, and it's not like H has /technically/ done anything against the rules, so I don't see anything concrete happening any time soon.)

I will apologize for my phrasing. I shouldn't have used idiots, but they aren't really explaining things worth a damn, and they're coming off as a virtual lynch mob with the number of posts.

They're posting examples that to me have a single piece in common at best that it took me quite a bit of time to pick out. Next time, circle the commonalities and explain it in one post, and it might get more of a reaction from people. Spreading it across 5+ posts makes it hard to follow. (Fortunately, between you and the anon above, I finally have a good explanation.)

But yea. It doesn't help Hemo is shitty enough that at most it looks like a really awful bootleg knockoff of the accent. I actually bought one of the original accents off the AH after seeing that it was so good. Hemo's versions are fuzzy and blurry with no attention to detail. Which is yea... Probably why people are confused.

Hemo can't even steal work properly.

AYRT
(At least I think you meant to reply to me.)

The insight on what the culture is normally like on AAA is useful context and it makes sense you see it that way. I just wish we had a better community response than this, it's overblown for sure.

Yeah, I've always wanted AAA to have more recognition but not like this LOL. It's been a really good fit for me in terms of average age, average time playing FR, strictness of rules, etc, despite not being a huge skin maker/collector; it's a shame people like H kill the vibe sometimes, and that others are learning about it this way.

ngl, aaa seems like a really cool place, are there any invite links anywhere, or? :o

One thing I always love about this kind of drama is that usually an artist who is concerned about the work they invested in their art says something like this, and then 20 non-artists and known drama-monging artists come up and go "WELL IT'S A GENERIC TROPE OKAY" instead of having an actual discussion and go full into attack mode.
have seen it for literal years now on FR. it's mindblowing.

Yea. This is the worst way possible to get attention. I mean, I saw the accents with the labeling of the group before, heard a mention or two...

And now this. The group instead comes off as hotheads or worse, bullies.

sa
and honestly sometimes it's so goddamn banal it's insane. imagine someone having copied your accent in which you invested you now, lifetime in to draw, and then suddenly you have 20 people screaming at you "well AKSHUALLY the leaves in the second version have THREE blades but yours only ONE, are we not allowed to use leaves in accents anymore??? are you copyrighting leaves??" which is absolutely not the actual discussion intended, it's just meant to derail and make the original artist look bad.

I think this is why the conversation on Saltmine got so bad. That's why (even though the anon has since apologized and I can see past it, but I still feel it's worth using as an example here) the people who are uncomfortable with this and see issue with it are getting called idiots, because it's what those people are portraying them to be, and thus a ton of fighting ensues and the subject becomes less directed towards Hemophobia and more towards the people defending Hemophobia, but all the people outside of the argument see is constant talks about that person in particular, and thus the water gets muddied.

As another member of aaa I can definitely confirm that H is acting in a manner that is uncomfortable (to me at least) and I'm not even an artist myself, I can understand why people outside of the server may assume that they're just "recycling" the aesthetic and so on but I can promise no one on aaa would care if that was the case, the server is really chill which is why I enjoy it there so much. The problem is seeing H posting multiple times fawning over skins, realizing that they're most likely unobtainable and then suddenly posting shortly afterwards sketches that share the dragon pose and some significant details to the skins they wanted. Without the context it might seem like they just enjoy the aesthetic but having this happen after they post about skins they want that look suspicious like their newest sketch is just...weird, or at least to me.

It's the first affiliate server linked in Flight Chatter if you're in there. If not, I'm pretty sure FC is googleable.

^ this! this is the problem. if people come up with similar concepts independently it's whatever, but their behavior around it makes me uncomfortable

I'm an artist in aaa. I am not one of the artists that Hemophobia has copied off of since my style is not the silks filigree nature style they're into, but I've watched the copying happen over and over to people I consider friends. It's unnerving. I'm really glad a calmer and more nuanced conversation about this is happening on anonrerising instead of the shitshow in saltmine blog. I've always found that audience to be much more immature.

The problem is that H hasn't broken any rules. There's nothing against fawning over someone's work, or posting wips in the wip channel. And like people point out, 90% of the things they steal ARE highly generic traits (earring placement, horns).

So what can we do? What IS there to do? It's an asshole move to tell someone you're uncomfortable with them complimenting your skins or asking about your work. You can't bring up in chat how some design elements are really similar because it IS really generic until you realize their pattern of behavior. Blocking doesn't work, they can still see your messages. They haven't broken any rules, they won't get kicked out of the server. All they do is fawn over artists, self flagellate over how they won't ever get a copy of their amaaazing work, and then 15 minutes later post something clearly based of key design elements of the skin. It happened to Laeyein, Final, and Batfossil just off to top of my head. All amazing artists by the way. highly recommend their work.

It really isn't about the art stealing, their style is too unstyled to be much competition. It's about how creepy it is.

I can't really blame any of the server members, now that I'm aware of how it's happening, and again, I'd like to apologize for my tone in the starting post of the thread. It was undeserved and unfairly colored by the shitstorm on the saltmine.

At any rate, thank you for giving me the people that Hemo is copying. I'll be watching for their work in the future. I mean, I'm not buying Hemo's work for sure now.(Actually, I wasn't buying from Hemo out of protest of the damn spam already. This just makes me more sure of it.)

maybe if you don't know anything about what's going on, you should find out first and share your idiot opinion second

DA

Hey no need to be hostile. Come on, they apologized, it was am honest mistake. People put petty drama all the time and they changed their mind when they saw more evidence. No need to be a jerk.

I'm NAYRT, but I'm the anon that the anon that you're responding to was responding to. ... Goddammit, that sounds so confusing. But anyway,

I understand the frustrations, but being hostile like that won't do anyone any good. It's part of the reason why the conversation over on saltminerising got so fucked up, because everyone was hostile towards each other over there and well... look what happened. I feel like if we maintain/allow hostility like this, it will only make this conversation worse and get it shut down/called a harassment campaign like it did on saltminerising.

On one hand, yes, perhaps OP should have looked into things more before creating such a judgement, I understand where you're coming from there, but on the other hand, it was a mistake they acknowledged and has since apologized/learned from. Aren't you able to recall a time when when you've judged something at a glance only to be proven wrong? It's just something people may do and yeah, it may not be a good thing, but if we're able to see that we did wrong and acknowledge it, then that's fine! Lesson learned, you know?

Who are B and G from lightning? I want to check out more of their work, I only know Autopilot who does anatomy modifying stuff

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