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literally said I didn't want to make any assumptions so idk where you got the idea that I was doing so

why is the response to "can we talk about this thing?" to tell me to go outside? why do you seem so exasperated? I realize I can't expect a lack of hostility on an anon comm but jeeze

I asked because I've seen a number of native american crafters discuss how people will sell dreamcatchers and use their aesthetics for profit without supporting native american crafters or culture

Probably because "can we talk about this" is a well-known sealion technique lmao

I don't think it is. OP seems sincere to me and I hadn't heard of Nature's foddart using dreamcatchers before because I don't play in those areas of the game. Personally I squint at dreamcatchers used randomly as a crunchy granola motif because they do have specific cultural meanings. Usually they're in non-Native art at the cost of those meanings being ignored, like dreamcatcher tattoos for example.

FTR I haven't seen the art in question and I would love a link to it if anyone has one.

SA

I know OP linked the foddart thread but I'm having trouble finding the specific art in question.

it's at the very top of the very first post, like a logo

unless I'm misinterpreting it, but circle + "webs" + feathers reads to me like dreamcatcher, especially with the emblem caught in the middle

ayrt

it reads as appropriative/disrespectful to me but I didn't want to write them off immediately so I wanted to initiate a discussion and see if other people had additional input or felt the same way I did, but I didn't want to attach my name to it in case people dogpiled me for asking a question, since I have been followed across websites for expressing even lukewarm takes

I don't know how you want me to word it? but I am asking you not to take my question in bad faith

You don't have to explain yourself to anonymous assholes on a drama forum.

Because the way original post was worded, it looked like you were looking for support of your take, not discussion about it.

"Hey guys, does this seem wrong/appropriative?" has different tone than including "some boho "wild g*psy spirit" white person". Expecting polite conversatiin after starting it like that on an anon com when you were the one perceeved as hostile first will result in exactly this.

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Also using a barely censored slur to make your "point", bad taste

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white fragility in action

+1 Reads a lot like tone policing

Another example why there was absolutely 0 intention of discussing this in the first place.

Keep pushing away people, even the ones that were willing to listen, by acting like this.

if you felt pushed away by such a lukewarm description of a racist white person i think that says a lot!

I see falling back to the race card is the best argument you have when not agreed with, and you don't want to see that, in conversation, the tone is important. If you feel the need to degarde ther person you converse with, you might be the problem.

what race card? are you suggesting the kind of racism op is talking about doesn't exist or something?

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AYRT is way more offended than the OP at this point

If you want to see it as me being offended, go ahead. I was trying to explain to OP why they received such backlash, but it seems it went over some heads.

Cheers!

that's not the op you're talking to

Thank you; the layout is confusing.
It means that thet OP is probably a better person than I gave them credit for.

As for others that seem to follow the convo trail, try better than being an ass.
As a minority in my country, I hope people like some of you never defend or argue in our stead by using such tone and language to "help the cause".

(ayrt, also ayrt in the other thread... odd that you suddenly weren't interested in talking anymore)

are we trading actual race cards now?

signed,
a literal card-carrying ndn

nayrt

So I looked up "ndn" and it means Native Indian, right? (usually referred to North American natives)?

Whoever wrote the reply jumped to white fragility, instead of debunking my statement that OP set the tone of discussion badly.

What is there to talk about when saying "you sounded like an ass when asking, so you got backlash" and being met with "white fragility in action". So why should I keep the conversation going?

oh my gods anyone just freeze this topic already

me reading this thread

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