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Can everyone who thinks "Your countries minimum wage x the hours you put in + extra" is a good way of giving pricing advice to people on FR shut up?

I can count on two hands the number of artists on FR who could legit do that. And I know a hell of a lot of artists.

Someone in a discord I'm in asked for pricing help for some cute icons, people gave them 10-20 in USD as estimates which seemed reasonable. Then in comes this person with "Well if you found the right crowd you could sell those for 100+!" And I have never wanted to yell so hard. Could they? Potentially. Maybe. On FR? Never. Finding that "right crowd" would be so goddamn difficult and I hope this poor artist doesn't get the wrong idea and try advertising for that amount, because they will be sorely disappointed when they don't make any sales.

It's a shame that pricing art on FR is so annoying. Art just tends to be valued really low, it's frankly a pretty shitty place to try and sell art if you want to get your money's worth. But the answer to that isn't to tell every newbie artist trying to find their footing to charge incredibly high amount. All you're going to do is kill that artist's motivation to try and sell it in the first place.

The only time I have ever seen an icon go for around $100 that wasn't animated was via an auction of a VERY well known and talented furry artist on a popular furry platform. Oh, or have a super fetish-y icon but again, that's niche. So yes, the 'right crowd' indeed.

I think NSFW generally goes for a higher price than other SFW art, which does not really help FR artists, since FR ban NSFW content

Mind if I go on a tangent?

Years ago I used to make thousands off of making macro/micro furry art. It wasn't even straight up porn, it was just giant furries crushing smaller ones. Pure violence. I made a killing off of that. But what people don't realize is the hard work of weeks worth of researching, practicing, and marketing that lead up to warrant my juicy invoices.

I researched what art niche I could squeeze into, what made that art and its customers tick, and how I could improve my art accordingly. I used programs, countless tutorials and youtube videos to massively improve my perspective and realistic blood splatter skills to up my salary and draw these people into my yard of macro milkshakes. I observed what times these thirsty furries were on furry sites to I could make sure my art hit the 'recently submitted' page at a good time to maximize my coverage of new customers. I rubbed elbows with other macro/micro artists and did collabs to get my name out there on their website. I would have super enticing 'sales' at critical times of the year to draw even more people in. Before I knew it my slots of $250+ each commissions were filling up everytime they were open.

So when I hear the "Your countries minimum wage x the hours you put in + extra" I can't help but cringe when the context is on a pet site of all things. I am not saying that it's impossible but, you HAVE to know your consumer base if you expect to get much traction and pet sites are notorious of having very few serious enough customers with disposable income to begin with. I know that FR has a flourishing skin/accent community but I consider that to be a 'niche' community. You'll have to do your research of how to possibly overlap into that community, or see what make them tick and see if you can lure them into your yard to sell them art.

Okay its 0230 my time I need to go to bed

nonny out here being the wolfsona of wall street damn

I don't know why but that's the fucking funniest thing I read all day

I used to make guro art for this very reason. I don't think for a second I could've made even the fraction of what I made, if I hadn't marketed myself in obscure places where certain enthusiasts were willing to pay for what I was selling.

I applaud your dedication and brilliance in this. Hot damn.

This, and also: it stinks of ignorance because minimum wage doesn't mean the same im different countries. Like, there are countries where the mw is set by the union (Sweden, iirc), countries where mw includes mandatory taxes, countries where it doesn't - and that doesn't even touch the thorny question of whether art from an artist with mw of 1 is worth ten times less than an artist's with mw of 10...

wages around the world really aren't fair. you're going to get paid way more being a mcdonalds worker in Australia than in India. why is the Australian's mcdonalds work somehow worth more?

You are aware that, unlike those mcdonald's workers, all artists are on the same site (Flightrising.com)? Same as, for example, patreon, onlyfans?...

One of the things I dislike about minimum wage pricing is that it doesn't account for experience.

I haven't done real art, but I used to make graphics and icons on LJ way back in the day. When I first started, it would take me forever to do things. Both because I wasn't aware of how exactly to use all of the tools in Photoshop and because I wasn't aware of what would look good, so I had to keep experimenting. Fast forward a few years, and I could crank out good (If unoriginal) icons in just a couple of minutes, because I was much more knowledgeable.

So should I have been paid $5 an icon for my not-so-great beginner icons that took forever, but $.33 each for my good looking advanced icons that took much less time? That doesn't seem a fair way to compensate for the experience and competency I gained. Nor does it seem fair for a buyer to pay that price for my beginner work that definitely wasn't worth it, even if I had spent that time on it.

Although I don't do real art, I would think that would carry over there. I feel that someone more experienced would very likely be able to produce something that looks good in less time than someone less experienced. And basing the price on time spent might not be the best way to go about it.

dont quote a price higher than you, personally, are willing to pay, because chances are good nobody else will either :/

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