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Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

i know i'm being a hater here but i really think that some of these accents shouldn't have been in the winners' circle.

"Heart of Fire" in particular feels wildly underwhelming: an extremely common design concept, executed with flat-looking art that lacks the rendering necessary to properly give the impression of the glow coming from within the dragon.
("Demonflame" isn't as egregious a choice to me, but the quality is below the level I've come to expect, with the shading on the "horns" feeling really lacking and thus unfinished.)

sa

[(Anonymous)]

would have loved to see a win go to "Inferno's Harvest" from Verdes, "Those Were the Days" by ufology, "Conflagrant King" by Straka (no other ridgeback winners), "Arsenic Oxidation" by Uniformshark (likewise), "infernal engine" by 888 (alternate mirror winner), and/or "crownfire" by auroshen (no imperial winners).

and those are just what I consider the most noteworthy + unique + on-theme oversights from among the submissions.

Re: sa

[(Anonymous)]

god arsenic oxidation is such a banger. really sad it didnt win tbh, hopefully the artist makes some $$$

Re: sa

[(Anonymous)]

TBH I think they avoided 888's entry because of the current big game Baldur's Gate 3. Which features a fire character with an infernal engine in her chest. Considering their past issues with copyrighted material winning festivals it probably would've faced immediate backlash. (Even if the artist didn't intend it to be.)

Re: sa

[(Anonymous)]

DA
if that's true, that's a sad way for a fest entry to go. i wonder if had 888 meant for the name to be a BG3 reference? MV and 888 laid out a lot of the 'hidden rules' to skin contests. it would be incredibly ironic and sad they got nerfed for another rule they didn't consider.

Re: sa

[(Anonymous)]

i'd be a bit surprised and disappointed if that turned out to be the reasoning, especially given "inazuma" from TCC could have likewise been construed as a genshin impact reference

(i think it just means "lightning," but it's not like the concept of hellfire machinery is unique to bg3—Ghost Rider, anyone?—so it feels roughly comparable to me)

Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

The male tundra winner has the crunchiest lineart especially in the mane section. The red outline on the foot looks like they used the fill tool and didn't bother cleaning the edges up or making sure the line had a uniform thickness before filling. (There's also a weird blur?) Like it's so sloppy IMO.

Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

good lord i didn't even initially notice the horns- theyre like,, painfully flat. i honestly really like the rest of the accent though! (just not a big fan of the pose used)

but yea agreed heart of fire was disappointing :/

Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

I wonder if this is staff intentionally trying to pick people that don’t win as often, in response to the community complaining about repeated winners. I always thought that was a bad idea, because it leads to lower quality submissions being picked..

Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

I'm one of the people who has long advocated for this and even with the issues people have with a couple of entries, I'm still into it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Nobody has to agree with me, of course, but my personal philosophy is I can accept a few rough around the edges submissions to get some new blood among winners and to boost smaller artists' confidence.

That said, I agree you can't have it both ways. People in my camp will need to accept "lower quality submissions," as you said, winning. I do think it's silly people have complained for as long as I've been on FR salt communities about MV winning everything, and now that we have other winners whose work they like less, they're complaining about MV losing (note: I don't know when MV's last win was, this is my first fest back since returning from hiatus).

Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

MV didn't lose this fest tho, they were in the winner's circle. 888 did.

Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

SA
ypue point aside, it's kind of dumb to say people were complaining about MV winning too often and now they're complaining that they lost. you know that anon comms and smr aren't a monolith of opinion right? there's going to be different people who think different things. has it occurred to you that the people hoping MV would lose for once, aren't the same people mourning when they lose?

Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

like anon above me, i do think these sets of complaints are coming from different groups of people

so more of a "you can't please everyone" thing than hypocrisy or [shocked pikachu reaction] kinda deal.

Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

I just wish they'd be less mean about it.

Nothing like seeing 888's(who has been trying to encourage new artists) entry being used to belittle and chase away new artists.

Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry you feel that way. =/

Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

You know, I kind of hate when people start threads like this because it feels shitty to have a thread shitting on a player's art where they likely can see it. Especially when it's a perfectly nice accent.

If you are the artist, please don't lose heart. Looking at the list of "what should have been accepted instead" posted in this same thread, people are miffed that the usual winners didn't get picked. Every single "this should have won" pick is from one of the big name artists.

Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

DA from OP
but none of those artists except 888 enter festivals regularly? auroshen hasn't had a win since 2018. i think you're getting popular Uma artist and festival winner mixed up, anon

Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

Thus why I used the term big name artists.

subthread op

[(Anonymous)]

as the person above me said, with the exception of 888, none of those artists have a strong history of wins in festivals?? and only auroshen and 888 are artists i’d consider especially big names in UMAs in general, even if others in the group have shops running.

this is purely my own personal opinion, and it's based on the standards I listed + a general (albeit still subjective) sense of quality in rendering and lineart. and honestly I chose to provide it as a kind of palate cleanser to my being an admitted hater in the op! just wanted to give some positive shout-outs as well.

Re: subthread op

[(Anonymous)]

That's why I said your list was big name artists.

"I'm going to rain hate on folks who won because I don't think they deserved it, but look, I rained love on these popular artists. That makes it fine."

That may not be your intent, but that's what I read it as.

Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

+1

If you're reading this, artists: You got picked for a reason, and it means staff thinks that your work represents the flight!

Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks. But it's still killed any excitement I had over winning, especially since I've seen more comments picking at the entry than otherwise. Oh well.

Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

genuinely. i understand the benefit of constructive criticism, and i don't mind people pointing out aspects of the winning entries that could be improved. but there's a big difference between "hey i wish the artist had shaded the horns" (concrit, this is a very fair and specific critique, it's not personal at all) and "here's a list of people i think deserved to win over the people who did" (i don't care about the intent, this looks petty and like you're putting some people down to lift other people up).

Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Re: Flameforger's Festival 2023

[(Anonymous)]

Yea, I just saw demonfire and yes, the whole head of that accent was unfinished and flatcolored. Staff should have caught that and disqualified it. The tundra accent is more ambiguous.