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Same. I was in fire and want to see them become what they were back with phys in charge. I would give anything for that!
I already donated to Pessi, I encourage y'all to pitch in too :D
oh that's awesome. tho I probs won't donate until it's confirmed that there's enough people trying to make a new dom team.
DA
We had the bank spread between multiple accounts, but those users stepped down from Fire Dom after last year's Flameforgers
We had the bank spread between multiple accounts, but those users stepped down from Fire Dom after last year's Flameforgers
So instead of spreading it out again with new organizers, you guys risk a repeat of losing the bank to a ban.
Makes sense to me.
Makes sense to me.
Does anyone think it is a good idea dragons locked up in duchess lair are being used as prizes for the oof?
So the entire bank ended up funneled to Duchess despite that being a massive no-no...? I don't know the full detail of whatever the fuck happened last year, but it seems bad enough that multiple users got essentially kicked. Was Duchess part of the old dom team that was part of the problem? Seems awfully sus to continue putting her in power if that's the case.
nayrt
Duchess has been in firedom for as long as I can remember, and complaints about her have been around for pretty much the same. It honestly boggles my mind that she's still around after everything that has happened. Makes me wonder if she's the one refusing to let go, and if yes, why is she so hellbent in staying in an org position...
Duchess has been in firedom for as long as I can remember, and complaints about her have been around for pretty much the same. It honestly boggles my mind that she's still around after everything that has happened. Makes me wonder if she's the one refusing to let go, and if yes, why is she so hellbent in staying in an org position...
da
It for sure does! The 50/50 is super impressive, and I'm proud of the new dom and event people being the change they want to see. If we do end up making a new dom team, I'll throw my money behind them
It for sure does! The 50/50 is super impressive, and I'm proud of the new dom and event people being the change they want to see. If we do end up making a new dom team, I'll throw my money behind them
Honestly our Foddart has always been one of Fire Dom's (few) strong points and best organized events. Now if only we could run our raffles like that ;v;
I was one of the users involved with that dispute. I did not like the secrets from those who donated/the Dom team themselves. We had no idea what duchess had and what she didn't. Some embers might remember the Build A Raffle threads. Users suggested prize packs and then people would help name them and fund them. All those items went to Duchess with the expectation that they would come out for the event we put together. They never did.
Another user got really pissed and snapped publicly at duchess. Turned out that user had supplied everything everyone funded because duchess didn't let the items go for the event they were gathered for. That user who had replaced the items and helped the flight got chewed out for putting duchess on blast. They ended up leaving the flight and don't play anymore even. So fire flight got really screwed by standing up for someone who was literally stealing from them.
Another user got really pissed and snapped publicly at duchess. Turned out that user had supplied everything everyone funded because duchess didn't let the items go for the event they were gathered for. That user who had replaced the items and helped the flight got chewed out for putting duchess on blast. They ended up leaving the flight and don't play anymore even. So fire flight got really screwed by standing up for someone who was literally stealing from them.
da
so in summary, Duchess is likely going to appear in a few days or next week with an excuse about what happened that if you call her out for it, you'll look like a terrible person. Annd, the fire raffle items are probably not going to make it to the intended recipients. And I'm assuming, even worse, that fire attendants are using their own funds right now?
what a shitshow
so in summary, Duchess is likely going to appear in a few days or next week with an excuse about what happened that if you call her out for it, you'll look like a terrible person. Annd, the fire raffle items are probably not going to make it to the intended recipients. And I'm assuming, even worse, that fire attendants are using their own funds right now?
what a shitshow
I'll be honest... I'd have left if my flight was run that poorly. What the fuck?
I think the anons suggesting mutiny aren't wrong... it's just going to result in Dutchess getting rich.
I think the anons suggesting mutiny aren't wrong... it's just going to result in Dutchess getting rich.
Duchess is the point of contact for most of the Dom things. A lot of new people are uncertain about reaching out because in the past it has ended badly on fire's side. Duchess hasn't joined the fire only Discord due to the fact she isn't the one in charge of it. She runs our discord too. She just hasn't been reliable for a long time.
if they are innocent and got caught in the crossfire of a duplication glitch, then man that sucks. what about the other g1 imp, though? and all the KS items they traded for?
Hi, I'm that previous ember anon that warned y'all that this year's ff push was giving me a bad gut feeling that it'd blow up and i did see some people come to support.
I just want to be very very clear about this.
there was a plan by a few users to actually, yknow, make a new dom team. for years, actually. every time someone says "oh Duchess should step down and let new people lead" I can't help but have to laugh because how many times has that been said only for wider response by the community is to...keep letting this happen instead of sticking to your guns and standing by these very people when we actually go to talk about it.
Admittedly, this annoys me, because I have seen people be wary of Fire's reputation within our flight because of the fiasco upon fiasco that keeps happening. Especially when that impacts the support we get from OOF. We need OOF support to be able to pull this off and we need to ensure that we have that support.
You guys did it with Arcane and the old Celestial Senate dom team, and you all supported the other flights with the same energy when they needed to push out bad actors in their leadership. I think we genuinely need OOF support, especially from other Dom Teams, to put pressure on Duchess to either give up the reigns or at least step back and let new blood lead. The rest of the AA? Are actually sweet. They're just as frustrated as the Embers are, and as you guys are, that these issues keep happening, based on the convos I've had with them.
It's not the team making the decisions.
It's Duchess.
And if the flights altogether want the best for Fire, we need your support in actually making a change of guard with Duchess happen. You guys need to put pressure and a spotlight on this. If you all knew about these issues being a result of Duchess' leadership for years, then this is the call of action you need.
The real reason we haven't done a 'mutiny' like the lore of our Flight? Because we can't tell if OOF is going to actually support this new team. Embers would need to take some time readjusting. But the main bulk of support we need is from the outside, because without enough OOF support, it'll fail and we become more disorganised. And then the same issues will continue to crop up again and we're back at square one.
I realise that this could be a bit of a hot take and turn some people off, but at the end of the day, if you want something done you gotta push for the change to make it happen. If the other flights want Fire to make a change like what's being proposed, then you guys gotta help make that happen.
I just want to be very very clear about this.
there was a plan by a few users to actually, yknow, make a new dom team. for years, actually. every time someone says "oh Duchess should step down and let new people lead" I can't help but have to laugh because how many times has that been said only for wider response by the community is to...keep letting this happen instead of sticking to your guns and standing by these very people when we actually go to talk about it.
Admittedly, this annoys me, because I have seen people be wary of Fire's reputation within our flight because of the fiasco upon fiasco that keeps happening. Especially when that impacts the support we get from OOF. We need OOF support to be able to pull this off and we need to ensure that we have that support.
You guys did it with Arcane and the old Celestial Senate dom team, and you all supported the other flights with the same energy when they needed to push out bad actors in their leadership. I think we genuinely need OOF support, especially from other Dom Teams, to put pressure on Duchess to either give up the reigns or at least step back and let new blood lead. The rest of the AA? Are actually sweet. They're just as frustrated as the Embers are, and as you guys are, that these issues keep happening, based on the convos I've had with them.
It's not the team making the decisions.
It's Duchess.
And if the flights altogether want the best for Fire, we need your support in actually making a change of guard with Duchess happen. You guys need to put pressure and a spotlight on this. If you all knew about these issues being a result of Duchess' leadership for years, then this is the call of action you need.
The real reason we haven't done a 'mutiny' like the lore of our Flight? Because we can't tell if OOF is going to actually support this new team. Embers would need to take some time readjusting. But the main bulk of support we need is from the outside, because without enough OOF support, it'll fail and we become more disorganised. And then the same issues will continue to crop up again and we're back at square one.
I realise that this could be a bit of a hot take and turn some people off, but at the end of the day, if you want something done you gotta push for the change to make it happen. If the other flights want Fire to make a change like what's being proposed, then you guys gotta help make that happen.
I'm all for it myself, but I don't know how I'd be able to spread the message outside of drama communities without violating FR's callout rules. I wasn't around for the other events you mentioned, how did they happen?
AYRT
To be fair, a lot of the things I'm referring to have happened over the years, and I've been around since Dec '14, so there was a lot of dom drama that's happened over the last couple of years. I think a few anons will remember. I vividly remember the Celestial Senate mayhem, the back and forth with a certain former Lightning dom team member, there's been enough people across the flights who just didn't want to let go and had to be basically pressured by both in-flight members and out of flight support being redirected elsewhere if things weren't changing.
In regards to getting support out there, when the time comes and we're ready, one of us may deanon and you can send your support there. Right now a few of us don't want to jeapordise the push further than we need to atm.
To be fair, a lot of the things I'm referring to have happened over the years, and I've been around since Dec '14, so there was a lot of dom drama that's happened over the last couple of years. I think a few anons will remember. I vividly remember the Celestial Senate mayhem, the back and forth with a certain former Lightning dom team member, there's been enough people across the flights who just didn't want to let go and had to be basically pressured by both in-flight members and out of flight support being redirected elsewhere if things weren't changing.
In regards to getting support out there, when the time comes and we're ready, one of us may deanon and you can send your support there. Right now a few of us don't want to jeapordise the push further than we need to atm.
NAYRT I was not around for the Celestial Senate debacle so I don't know what OOF support or lack of support looks like in this context. If you are willing to elaborate on this and what specific actions OOFers can take to help, I will de-anon myself to you by messaging Pessi and asking them to put me in contact with you. I am currently deeply involved and invested in dom and would love to help improve the overall dom scene.
op
The vast majority of attendant sheets that I see don't have this restriction, and there isn't constant sabotage going on against the other flights, so yeah, I'm assuming there has to be some way to allow it safely.
The vast majority of attendant sheets that I see don't have this restriction, and there isn't constant sabotage going on against the other flights, so yeah, I'm assuming there has to be some way to allow it safely.
As a not-intensely-involved-these-days OOF person, the main thing you'd need to do to get my attention and support (and, I'd imagine, that of the many users in a similar boat to mine) would be to have recognition on the Dom Watch thread. I don't know exactly how the people running that (looks like Sadistic and October, currently) vet who is and is not allowed to submit push announcements, links, etc, but aside from occasionally browsing ARR, there's no way I'd have a clue about any Fire dom efforts that weren't highlighted there. So reaching out to them might be a way to start, if at present they'd only accept submissions from the 'official' dom team.
Nayrt
Sadistic and October are lovely folk but they're unlikely to want to get involved in this mess. Not their circus, not their monkeys and so on. They "vet" Dom teams by knowing who the old guard of the dom teams is and checking in whenever a new member pops up if they need to. Reserving a post on Dom Warch is not particularly safe guarded, all one has to do is message that week's host as a representative of a flight with an announced (or unannounced) push
Sadistic and October are lovely folk but they're unlikely to want to get involved in this mess. Not their circus, not their monkeys and so on. They "vet" Dom teams by knowing who the old guard of the dom teams is and checking in whenever a new member pops up if they need to. Reserving a post on Dom Warch is not particularly safe guarded, all one has to do is message that week's host as a representative of a flight with an announced (or unannounced) push
DA I think if you get adequate resources and the support of the flight, which can easily be proven once it's achieved, they will let you post in DW.
Has there been attempts by Embers on AA to talk with Duchess about her stepping down? A sort of "hey, we've been discussing, and we think it'd be best if (...)" conversation. I feel like she'd brush it off and say no, but in any case that'd be a good bet on a friendly break up between old and new team, if that makes sense.
If that doesn't work it'd probably end up with an alternate dom team trying to take up the lead... in which case, good luck ans godspeed
If that doesn't work it'd probably end up with an alternate dom team trying to take up the lead... in which case, good luck ans godspeed
wasn't there literally a poll in the fire forums last year run by the dom team about if people should step down? what happened with that? was it real? was it rumor? what were the results.... and can we believe them...
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