anonrerising | It's All Made Up, Anyway.

fire dom is an iceburg. top exalters leaving is only the tip of it.

pls deets? :eyes:

Ex-ember here! I left Fire a few weeks ago. Here's what I know and some other things I heard from a friend who stayed in Fire a little longer than I did.

To start off, Fire runs the same few events with very low incentive prizes for a profit push every month. People have suggested other events and provided high incentive prizes out of their own hoard for those events if they were to run. Sure, they would be losing money, but it would be fun for participants and good for the bank (possibly). One of those people suggested an event that the dom leads did not end up running. Instead, they ran it as their own separate idea but 'simplified'.

The bank also doesn't share what's actually in the bank. One of the leads said that it could be leaked if they were to share. When I was still in Fire, I had zero clue what was actually in the bank besides 200kg in funds. I'm not sure how it is now though. I also heard that when that bank holder got banned years ago, one person replaced all the missing funds from their own hoard. I also heard that the same person replaced all of the OOFR prizes in 2017 when someone ran off with all of the prizes. That exact person also would provide tons of currency to the bank whenever they ran low during conquests. They left Fire now so...

I don't know about Fire Discord toxicity because I spent a lot of time inactive on the original server. I do know that when an active member got banned from the server from an argument with a dom lead in a channel over the bank itself. The gist of it was that they wanted to know what was in the bank, dom lead said no, they said they wanted a refund for their items. Dom lead couldn't tell them where the sprite collection they donated went, dom lead pulled the 'what if I left with everything' card. That person was the one that replaced the lost bank funds when the bank got banned and replaced an entire OOFR so they said they could handle it if the dom lead did quit. They got banned and the chat log was deleted. Afterwards, some people asked where that person went and why they left the server. I do believe that one of the dom leads said something along the lines of 'they just left it's not that deep' though.

From what I've seen, embers are extremely willing to do dom. It's just the dom leads that don't. In the last push I was in, the event that was running was the 'simplified' one mentioned before. It's similar to a house cup except it's in 4 teams with no OOF help. One member managed to completely steamroll the competition with I believe 18k levels? The next highest was 12k or 8k, I don't remember. That one is the one that shared a few details in a SMR post's replies. Embers can and will absolutely participate in dom, the leads just have to run an event to motivate players to do things.

I do believe that Fire plans to bring new members into the Ashfall Alliance after Flameforger's, so we'll just have to wait and see if anything changes. It is true that all the top exalters have left Fire already, the major funder and the 18k levels exalter included, with little or no plans to return.

TLDR; top exalters did leave, Fire dom scene is dead due to leads hosting the same 3 events every profit push, bank isn't very transparent either.

AA rude to users. Get defensive when anyone asks questions. Saw weird convo between friendly user and AA one night. Next day user not there anymore and the convo was gone. user left fire too. saw LOADS of fire members who do DOM more than me change flights. Thought it was weird. Not surprised. asked AA once if they needed any help and was told that everything was handled unless I wanted to donate art. AA wanted a lot of art for FF for free this week. if it was more than a week away I would have done it but it's a week out and I have commissions cant help.

if what youre saying about fire's bank is true, thats fucking obscene. lightning got some well-deserved flak last year for its shitty bank spreadsheet not filling in records, but not having ANYTHING accessible by the flight is an entirely different level of terrible. i cannot fathom having even a sliver of trust in a dom bank that has quite literally no transparency.

https://prnt.sc/Ck4M7oE9ilhH So I was an ember, I went to check the bank because I thought no they would totally have transparency. There are 3,495 lines on the bank sheet that we can't explore, not even by trying to make a copy of the sheet. It's protected to prevent a copy from being made. I just left to go check out another flight and the bank sheet is messy but it even includes items. Fire bank sheet does not. No items are shown.

Fire has a shopping cart for coliseum bosses, battle stones, eggs, treasure/gem marketplace items and other shit that gets updated once a month with new requests. There is no tracking for where those items go. I tried to figure out where the soft pink silk set I sent in went and I couldn't.

... With a bank like that, for all you know, the donated items are being pocketed. This is worse than lightning.

I know I wouldn't donate to that.

No need to tell us how much money they have, anon, but was the bank total at least shown on the sheet? Hiding old rows might just be because they've poorly organized things and didn't want to scroll down to add new transactions.

so we can see how much treasure and gems we supposedly have but when you look at the sheet we also get a lot of negative transactions. labeled as bank purchase things for -840k, -1.425mil, -960k they dont list what the purchase was because again that might let someone know what items we have in stock.

there are some big ones for gems too of -5kg. but we also have notes like brew for the bank -100k so i dont get why they can label 100kt but not 5kg

someone did the calculation and embers have access to 'view' 9% of the bank because 'someone might see it out of flight' or 'details can be leaked' friend donated x25 noc eggs and doesn't know if they sold/were hatched/used for prizes

i dont know where my battle stone donation went but two ambush isn't much

IIRC wind and plague don't share bank totals either, (but I could be wrong) so that's not that weird, but I'm glad I'm in a flight that gives full transparency on everything.

Seriously, deets would be nice. I wonder why they seem to only show up festival, and not much else. They could be up with Earth.

I will note, they'll be fine at getting their festival. No one is going to try to steal it(unless a leaving player is butthurt enough to organize it), and if there's a chance of it being taken, they'll end up with folks funneling them dragons.

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