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https://imgur.com/a/rxOEzFb

[(Anonymous)]

Looks like FR unfairly banned a user because she didn't know her daughter was a multiaccounter. Thoughts?

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[(Anonymous)]

On one hand, I know someone who was banned for their sister's multiaccounting and I have interacted with both of them at once, so it really was two people. On other hand, "I have a family member and I am totally not breaking the rules" is an extremely common excuse.

On third hand, I have reported several obvious multi-rings and staff response time was in range of literal years, so I'd personally say that the worst thing is the time range between offense and response and most of these "unfair bans", this one included, would be (or feel) less unfair with faster responses.

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[(Anonymous)]

Unfortunately, sometimes when someone does something shitty, they take innocent people with. It's hard for staff to confirm it's not a multi trying to save an account out of their set using a family member. And obviously, the mother received items in a way that makes her look like part of it.

Unfair? Yes. Tragically necessary because of the daughter? Yes.

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[(Anonymous)]

maybe this is just me being cynical but from the email's content it looks like the "mom" account was given a ton of stuff when all the multi accounts ended. if multiple users you dont know about send you stuff out of the blue, wouldnt you feel a bit confused? to me this feels like the email's writer is just trying to preserve the one account that they had multiple accounts funnel into, as it had the most valuable stuff.

if this is someone who is innocent that sucks, but why wouldnt the mother just send this email themself if the ban impacts them specifically? why get your TOS-breaking kid to do it?

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[(Anonymous)]

This looks so odd. Even if there is two real people that exist, I would suspect that the kid used mom's info on the "good" account and so that she could use her id to try to get unbanned.

Thinking about it, yea, I'm betting damage control.

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[(Anonymous)]

Only a child would be fooled by this email

It’s clearly someone trying to save their favorite account with a majority of progress or expensive items.

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[(Anonymous)]

The mom is 35 according to her Facebook account. You think someone that old would type like this?

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[(Anonymous)]

DA:
How old is the child, because if they made the accounts a few years ago, then they should be what, 15, 18 by now? So how old was the mother when she had the little rulebreaker? I am somewhat uncomfortable with some potential timelines...

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[(Anonymous)]

... You have a good point. The timeline has the earliest accounts being created in a 2014 window.(8 years ago.) The mother is my age.

That would put her at around 27 at the time of creation of the kid's accounts, and having a 13 year old puts having the kid at 14 unless the original accounts were made underage... Which is an instant ban for the law anyways.

I think they may have told too complicated a tale.

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[(Anonymous)]

lmao should have picked better numbers

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[(Anonymous)]

The writing in these is atrocious. I don't think a 35 year old would write like this

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[mindlessflight]

I shouldn't have to mention this if y'all read the rules, but I am a bit disappointed that y'all are digging to find folks' facebook accounts.

If I see screencaps or anything linking to it, I will nuke this whole thread.

(I'm already squinting at it because the CC'ed email wasn't censored and now Vasemod and I are discussing if we SHOULD nuke it or not because of this)

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[(Anonymous)]

I'm not digging to find anyone's facebook account. She posted this under her Facebook account

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[(Anonymous)]

...

Seriously?

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[mindlessflight]

So you were already friends with her on fb?

[We have SMR (stupidly/ignorantly) saying folks on ARR are using IPs to stalk people and this doesn't look good lol]

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[(Anonymous)]

Why would you need an IP to stalk people when half of FR has their twitter/instagram/reddit/tumblr linked right in their profiles

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[(Anonymous)]

Nuking the thread w/ a repost that has the censored screenshots seems fine to me if you dislike that part but I do think coming in guns-blazing to act like doxxing is going on based on what the replyguys on SMR are crying about is weird. We all know they don't know shit about site security or ARR for that matter. Why base your moderation around their misunderstandings?

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[(Anonymous)]

I think Mindless is deliberately trying to prove that we're not the terrifying hackers some dipshits are painting us as. :|

Deleting this like that would do more harm than good, if it truly is just the moron posting this on Facebook in an FR group.

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[mindlessflight]

Bingo.

If she posted it publicly where other FR folks can see it, then the onus is on her.

I was just trying to find out where exactly the info came from. Thanks for the clarification- it stays up because it ain't our problem as long as our rules are followed.

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[(Anonymous)]

To be honest I had also wondered how the images were found. I sort of thought that the original poster may have been the 'mom' and was looking for sympathy or something.

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[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
Verifying the info makes sense to me but the first thing they chimed in with was this:
"I shouldn't have to mention this if y'all read the rules, but I am a bit disappointed that y'all are digging to find folks' facebook accounts." It was already an accusation and then the context added after was "SMR says we're doxxing" I just don't really get that energy lmao. I'm not trying to be Pro-Doxx here or something just like, why be convinced the comm is doxxing based on what SMR says when they could have just asked. Basically just think its stupid to have SMR attitudes bleed into here when we all squat here to avoid that kind of crybaby shit.

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[(Anonymous)]

Damn you need a snickers

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[(Anonymous)]

She posted this to a FR FB group and her age is located on her public profile

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[mindlessflight]

Thanks for the confirmation- I just needed context on how the images were found!

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[(Anonymous)]

The email states that the mom's account benefited from it, that's the nail in the coffin for me.

I think people often forget that multi-accounting includes situations with two or more people. It's when an account stops playing for themselves and only plays for the benefit of another account that it becomes multi-accounting, whether it's one person behind the whole thing or not. The IPs of the accounts don't even need to be the same.

Just another case of someone not reading the rules and getting *surprise pikachu face*'d.